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Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Beey(f): 1:53am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Livie2016:The Pharisees brought a woman to Jesus for judgement, because they said she was adulterous.While drawing on the ground, Jesus said to them; "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".He continued to draw & when He looked up, one by one they had walked away.My dear, Whom the son of God has set free , is free indeed.Don't let religious people hold you captive to the guilt of your past anymore.We have so many "Pharisees" in the church today.Refuse to be tied down by rules and religion.If God has called you forgiven, who has right to condemn you?The church is supposed to be a hospital for the spiritually sick, because the healthy people don't need a doctor.Forget all the self-righteous religious extremists.Meanwhile, you and your husband need to sit down and analyze whether that Church is for you or against you?Is it nourishing your faith?After, make a decision whether to stay or walk away. 1 Like |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Nobody: 1:57am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Go to a church where you can have a proper dedication...no be by force na |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Daboomb: 1:59am On Mar 27, 2017 |
k9ine: Why must she OBEY? Why do you think the hallmark of Christianity is obey the rules of another man? Why must she obey the "Rules of her church"? Why not tell her that she should obey the "Rules of the BIBLE"? This attitude is what has turned Christianity to a "follow-follow" religion as of today! In the days of Christ, his Disciples are always QUESTIONING HIM and asking for PROOF and to be convinced. The didn't JUST OBEY whatever he told them. Only foolish Christians, ignorant Christians and lazy, baby christian sOBEY without QUESTIONING and REASONING with the BIBLE. The bible is there for a reason: That we might question, investigate and ascertain that what we are being told, is from god and not from "man". The only way to make Jesus proud is to question any directive and confirm that it is actually in-line with what is in the Bible and even more importantly, "What Jesus did, when he was on Earth". |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by rightwingz: 2:20am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Livie2016: You are here complaining instead of being happy for the opportunity to boycott such hypocritical gathering. There is no presence of God in that church, stop wasting your time. 1 Like |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by zonax(m): 2:37am On Mar 27, 2017 |
This is pathetic. Which church do you go to that will stereotype an innocent child for nothing. Am not in anyway supporting premarital sex but which one of us has no sin. Even the leaders there in your church can't deny ever been involved in pre/extra-marital affairs. Please leave that hypocritic organisation you call church. And I beg of you, don't pass out judgement upon yourself. It's let for God to decide who's a sinner and who's worthy |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by nurusystem(m): 2:44am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Apostle Paul as no foundation or guide in dedication ,he forgot ,no mode of worshiping and laws guiding apostline follower,he forgot such idea. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Respecter(f): 2:49am On Mar 27, 2017 |
They are not better than you. They simply know how to hide. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by luminouz(m): 2:56am On Mar 27, 2017 |
JerryTemi:I could kiss u for this post u know! N buy u dinner too! I know there is God..but d church lost d way to worship him millennia ago! Now all I see is religion! Imagine a pastor hammering on first fruits n cursing whoever won't bring his/hers? D zeal to attend churches no dey dia for me again.....all I see there makes me angry...especially when u see young girls venerating pastors who showed them a vision or two! Wtf? I had an interview last year in Abuja n had no one to stay with...decided to sleep in a church....saw three churches along peace park....mfm...Christ life n one other....I went to mfm n was asked if I was a member....I said am a Christian..u need to see d sarcastic look I was givrn..like I was vermin....same thing with Christ life( those just told me to go to uniabuja n sleep there....d lady just left me to attend to some church members not giving a shiit if I leave or die) time was like 7pm....all the churches I tried gave me DAT sob story of me not being a member! Where I slept DAT day eh..na another story... Been skeptical ever since....church is not Christianity! What happened to ur bro was worse! Sorry! 2 Likes |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by queenpin: 3:03am On Mar 27, 2017 |
My dear thank God you have a child. Do you know how many brethren are looking for one. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Filmdirect: 3:07am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Let me give a perspective since something like this happened to me. When i was pregnant with my last child, i was a member of a small church. There was a girl in that church that got pregnant out of wedlock. Oh she was loved, no doubt, and the church did not condemn her but because they were trying so hard to show they are graceful, one day they called her to the stage and prayed over her and her unborn child (no worries), but went as far as making a big deal of her condition and that they are not judging. Well the whole thing felt off, because no matter what it looked like we were celebrating clearly what was not what we wanted young people to think was okay based on scripture. It was even more weird because there i was pregnant within the scriptural way and i was not being overly celebrated, and from the way people were glancing at me and the whole situation it was clear the contrast was running through their minds. At some point the pastor felt it. See, that was all done in the name of showing grace and forgiveness. So my perspective to you is this - you are putting your pastor between a rock and a hard place because if they celebrate you like that it could come off as a license, but if they don't you might feel judged. However you are not judged, it is not about you, but about a bigger community you are part of - your church family. And i would advise you to stop thinking about yourself in this. It is not personal. They have given you an alternative that is reasonable in line with what they have to enforce within the community. By the way this was a caucasian led church in case people think it is a cultural issue. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by confun: 3:17am On Mar 27, 2017 |
I no understand sef, Wats child dedication, because dem no dey do dedication in my church o, dey name ur child after 7 days, dts all, all we know is holiness and righteousness, no child dedication in my Church, so Wats d fuss all about....madam, u wan show off?....u berra dedicate your child in ur closet and move on with life. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Lexusgs430: 3:29am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Livie2016: The church has not tied you to their gates, and if they have, break free...... ..... Look for an alternative church that spreads the word of love, forgiveness etc etc etc |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by godswillzeky(m): 3:41am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Dont attend churches you are not needed. m |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by creativeguru: 4:14am On Mar 27, 2017 |
JerryTemi: Well said. Focus on God NOT Church. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by obataokenwa(m): 4:24am On Mar 27, 2017 |
k9ine:Bro, wait till a church treat you so bad after many years of commitment. Our slogan in Winners Chapel is if you stay with us for three months and nothing happens for you, change church. we are not all interested in filling our church pews but making people experience total forgiveness from God. I remember during dedications, our pastor will announce if you have a child that you've not dedicated, you should join the others. We are interested in giving the innocent child back to God and not judging the mother by refusing to dedicate the child. That church is wrong and the lady should leave cos they will always look at her as bad example. where is the place of forgiveness. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by dresiri(m): 4:38am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Going by this, Jesus Christ would not have been dedicated in church...sometimes we think we are holier than God! |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by davidif: 4:41am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Livie2016: What's the big deal about child dedication? Where in the bible did you hear a commandment that a child should be dedicated in church? Talk about people mistaking the traditions of men for the commandments of God. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by SmartMugu: 4:41am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Not sure what's special about dancing in front of the church with ur child. I have kids too, and none of them when through all that you're worried about. Will dancing in church with ur child make him or her a billionaire or something? I just don't understand why that's so important cos I never worried about that for my kids, and by God's grace they are doing well. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Nobody: 4:57am On Mar 27, 2017 |
I don't know who brought about the idea of church doctrine, infact how did it start? Jesus the Son of God dined and ate with sinners. Let he who is without sin cast a stone. Judge not Says the Bible. I don't know what churches are turning to. We now follow the laws of men rather than the laws of God. What your church did will keep being a discouragement to your spiritual life and steadfastness. There are other Bible beliving churches. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Nobody: 5:09am On Mar 27, 2017 |
thorpido:Never knew a church is a Institute. Ask yourself why a church was made in the first place. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by davidif: 5:09am On Mar 27, 2017 |
JerryTemi: But please tell me, what's the big deal about baby dedication? Where in the bible did you hear a commandment that a child should be dedicated in church? Talk about people mistaking the traditions of men for the commandments of God. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by mcevans1(m): 5:10am On Mar 27, 2017 |
JerryTemi:
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Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Jamean(f): 5:18am On Mar 27, 2017 |
@livie2016, do you pay your offerings and other givings in the Church secretly as a deterrent of conception before wedlock? Or they don't even allow you pay offerings at all. I would have gone on to write a long note about Psalm 51:5 and original sin, but it's really not necessary. I believe doctrines should have scriptural backing... because if we look at it in context, Jesus was conceived out of wedlock Matthew 1:18 but was presented in the temple like other children Luke 2:21-28? 2 Likes |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by JennyOfOldstones(f): 5:40am On Mar 27, 2017 |
@Livie2016. The important thing is that your child is being dedicated to God. Why does it matter if it's done in public or in secret? Even Jesus Christ was dedicated quietly in the temple without a procession following his parents. And contrary to what you think, the Church isn't out to punish you specifically, the same would be done to another couple in your shoes. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by linearity: 5:40am On Mar 27, 2017 |
AgbenuAnna: WOW! WOW!! WOW!!! Nowadays so called christian can be so unchrist like without knowing it! Each individual is uniquely and independently made and will be judged by God. Sins of the parents cannot be imported to the child. Jesus performed kids dedications in the Bible..In Match 19:14, when his disciples try to prevent the little children from coming to him, Jesus said .."Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these...And he placed his hands on them and went on his way" He did not do it behind closed doors or the corner, it was right in the view of the public, where he was preaching. For God seek! Jesus came for the sinners not the righteous, even if harlots or practicing prostitutes bring their kids to church for dedication, the servants of God or Pastors representing that church should rejoice, accept them with open arms, place their hands on them like Jesus and bless them in the public to discriminate base on category is unchristlike period! To these set of Pastors, Jesus will say.."Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrite! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. If I am in the OP's shoes, I will discuss with my husband into taking our kids and leave to a place that do not prejudge us, but accepts us, like Jesus would. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by linearity: 5:47am On Mar 27, 2017 |
JennyOfOldstones: You forgot to include that, there was only one kind of dedication during Jesus' days in the temple and children were not prejudged and categorized on how and where they will be dedicated. No matter how you paint it...it is discrimination period! Even if these couples were wallowing in sins when they requested for the dedication, no man of God, who what to be Christlike, will treat the kids as second class kids...Jesus openly eat with sinners, lay his hands on little children even when his disciples attempted sending the kids away without prejudging how they came into existence. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by iliyande(m): 5:49am On Mar 27, 2017 |
davidif: Child dedication is not biblical White wedding is not biblical The ops is not a sinner neither the husband The child is not a sinner too We human beings imposed some unnecessary laws on ourselves forgetting the real commandments of God himself. Churches should go beyond this man-made rules and focus on the biblical teachings. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by Nobody: 5:56am On Mar 27, 2017 |
For those born in the 60's, 70's, 80's how many of you had dedication? I was named after my grandfather...at home in the presence of the friends and neighbours of my parents, they got married in the registry. There was no dedication and my parents have never regretted it one bit or day. Just avoid the unnecessary drama and push on. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by olagbemi118(m): 5:57am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Wot are you still doing in that church? |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by 9nice1x: 5:58am On Mar 27, 2017 |
You did not state whether you knew the church's stand before you got pregnant. However, since the church would not like to be drawn into future controversy because of your situation, you better carry on. Some duty bound elders of the same church will be willing to dedicate the child as you were given option of private dedication, a way the church is still standing by you. Congratulations and enjoy your marriage. |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by alan333(m): 6:07am On Mar 27, 2017 |
woman of faith,its better you dedicate your son to God through/by prayers daily and has he grows up than having a secret dedication.And for whatever reason your pastor has decided not to dedicate your son publicly,he's wrong!God is a mercifull God. You better summon courage and move ahead spiritually.The house of God is not meant for righteous but sinner's...and why should there be condemnation in the house of God?That church of your's in not worthy to belong!!! Katchifonu! |
Re: Church Refusing To Have Open Dedication For My Baby by ajagidiagbo1(m): 6:07am On Mar 27, 2017 |
That's the problem with Nigerian church. Over righteousness is their problem. Even Jesus Christ washed the feet of that (woman). Please, get another church, [color=#000099][/color]in ur husband shouldn't allow strange forces like church to get total control of his decisions. |
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