EgunMogaji:


I bought it here at Iyaganku, it's made in Nigeria.

We need to get together one day Sir. You're keeping all the Elebu life dey chop alone

hahahaha, boss no be so. I will check there this week. I am waiting for that day sir.

InvertedHammer:

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Why would a carpenter charge for tools? Does a carpenter come empty handed to site? We are advocating that they upgrade their tools and skills. Some basic masonry jobs are now going to the Togolese and Ghanians. There are reasons why the Arabs and Lebanese are taking over road constructions. Nigerians would rather put money in showing off than upgrading their businesses.

You know a job that will take them one week will be done in 2 days with the right tools. He will have more opportunities to get other jobs. It is called good time management. We are tslking about efficiency and you are talking about price. Have you seen anyone complain because his/her mechanic used OBD II scanner for diagnostics? These tools are very much affordable. A good tool saves time, money and effort.
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Yes boss you charge for equipments money was spent to buy those and if a client requires such. The cost and value has to be placed on it do you know what it cost to get a simple pully to lift those sections, will you be willing to pay extra for transport that brings such timbre to site . Will you be providing power for these poeer tools or paying additional for the battery. I well kilned wood with less that 20% water content cost more than 2k for 2x6 so what are we talking about. Its all boils dowm to cost most of us pay 650self naaah plenty noise say the carpentre don swindle you.lols lols

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Yes boss you charge for equipments money was spent to buy those and if a client requires such. The cost and value has to be placed on it do you know what it cost to get a simple pully to lift those sections, will you be willing to pay extra for transport that brings such timbre to site . Will you be providing power for these poeer tools or paying additional for the battery. I well kilned wood with less that 20% water content cost more than 2k for 2x6 so what are we talking about. Its all boils dowm to cost most of us pay 650self naaah plenty noise say the carpentre don swindle you.lols lols

Nothing says the carpenter cannot assemble the rafters at the site with the correct measurements when the building is at the lintel level. Tell you what...when you buy a piece of furniture like cabinets in the US, it comes in a box. You the buyer will have to read the manual and put it together or pay a steep price to have someone else do it. But in most cases, most people do it themselves. Handiwork shouldn't be a rocket science not atleast to a professional in carpentry. Don't tell me that it is a Nigerian thing. It is not. It is just that real estate developers have not created demands for such which I blame on the limitations of their imagination.

Get the measurements, have the mill cut the woods to the desired length, move them to site, assemble and lift. Such algorithmic approach saves time and money. You have refused to think outside the archaic way of doing things. Left to your kind, we will still be moving around on bicycles because inventing such a thing as a car is impossible. Think black man. Think. It is not illegal or a curse to think. Good luck.

NB: This issue has been overflogged. Do whatever rocks your boat.
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InvertedHammer:


Nothing says the carpenter cannot assemble the rafters at the site with the correct measurements when the building is at the lintel level. Tell you what...when you buy a piece of furniture like cabinets in the US, it comes in a box. You the buyer will have to read the manual and put it together or pay a steep price to have someone else do it. But in most cases, most people do it themselves. Handiwork shouldn't be a rocket science not atleast to a professional in carpentry.

Get the measurements, have the mill cut the woods to the desired length, move them to site, assemble and lift. Such algorithmic approach saves time and money. You have refused to think outside the archaic way of doing things. Left to your kind, we will still be moving around on bicycles because inventing such a thing as a car is impossible. Think black man. Think. It is not illegal or a curse to think. Good luck.
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Are u a white man, comprehension seems to be the problem here i think you should re-register for TOEFL maybe that will really help you. What do you understand in construction if its so easy oga lemme give you manual and you can climb up the roof and nail them urself. Is there not a clear difference between between furniture and carpentry.
For the intelligent people in the house i have not said its not possible all i have said is that will anyone that wants such be willing to foot the bills shikena. Please we all know there are grades of construction and you get what you paid for.( that is if you are not dealing with quacks)
For the curious minded for you to achieve roofing such as this even roofing system where only bolts and nuts are used for the joints is never the issue in naija seriously, issue is what is the clients spending power.
For instance u need a comprehensive set of drawings detailing each aspect of the construction from foundation works to roofing all this accounts for a high level of accuracy in the construction process all this comes with money you need surveying tools on site for alignments and levels, to check corners and plumbness. e.t.c
To my dear friend with comprehension issue people like you will go to sawmill you will buy your wood and keep complaining about poor workmanship.




I still retain my question are the clients willing to foot the bills as it is, if yes i can assure you all is possible. afterall all this people have family to feed and they cant do what will end them in debt just becos they want to impress a client.

InvertedHammer:


Nothing says the carpenter cannot assemble the rafters at the site with the correct measurements when the building is at the lintel level. Tell you what...when you buy a piece of furniture like cabinets in the US, it comes in a box. You the buyer will have to read the manual and put it together or pay a steep price to have someone else do it. But in most cases, most people do it themselves. Handiwork shouldn't be a rocket science not atleast to a professional in carpentry. Don't tell me that it is a Nigerian thing. It is not. It is just that real estate developers have not created demands for such which I blame on the limitations of their imagination.

Get the measurements, have the mill cut the woods to the desired length, move them to site, assemble and lift. Such algorithmic approach saves time and money. You have refused to think outside the archaic way of doing things. Left to your kind, we will still be moving around on bicycles because inventing such a thing as a car is impossible. Think black man. Think. It is not illegal or a curse to think. Good luck.

NB: This issue has been overflogged. Do whatever rocks your boat.
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I salute your tenacity.

I've been watching home buildings in Ghana.

InvertedHammer:


Nothing says the carpenter cannot assemble the rafters at the site with the correct measurements when the building is at the lintel level. Tell you what...when you buy a piece of furniture like cabinets in the US, it comes in a box. You the buyer will have to read the manual and put it together or pay a steep price to have someone else do it. But in most cases, most people do it themselves. Handiwork shouldn't be a rocket science not atleast to a professional in carpentry.

Get the measurements, have the mill cut the woods to the desired length, move them to site, assemble and lift. Such algorithmic approach saves time and money. You have refused to think outside the archaic way of doing things. Left to your kind, we will still be moving around on bicycles because inventing such a thing as a car is impossible. Think black man. Think. It is not illegal or a curse to think. Good luck.
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Are u a white man, comprehension seems to be the problem here i think you should re-register for TOEFL maybe that will really help you. What do you understand in construction if its so easy oga lemme give you manual and you can climb up the roof and nail them urself. Is there not a clear difference between between furniture and carpentry.
For the intelligent people in the house i have not said its not possible all i have said is that will anyone that wants such be willing to foot the bills shikena. Please we all know there are grades of construction and you get what you paid for.( that is if you are not dealing with quacks)
For the curious minded for you to achieve roofing such as this even roofing system where only bolts and nuts are used for the joints is never the issue in naija seriously, issue is what is the clients spending power.
For instance u need a comprehensive set of drawings detailing each aspect of the construction from foundation works to roofing all this accounts for a high level of accuracy in the construction process all this comes with money you need surveying tools on site for alignments and levels, to check corners and plumbness. e.t.c
To my dear friend with comprehension issue people like you will go to sawmill you will buy your wood and keep complaining about poor workmanship.




I still retain my question are the clients willing to foot the bills as it is, if yes i can assure you all is possible, after all all this people have family to feed and they cant do what will end them in debt just becos they want to impress a client.

EgunMogaji:


I trust your opinion Sir because you're in the thick of things.

Hopefully one day we'll get there. I can't argue the fact that you will need arrow straight wood. Something I've yet to find in Ibadan.

Thank you.

Some people should just learn to swallow their pride and recieve wisdom

The major issue i have with this thread is that most of the pioneers & active members are biased & full of talks...thereby making the thread really uninteresting...
U people keep screaming America this, America that...but u can't even afford the current cheap services offered by our local workers...People need motivation to think outside d box...u people are always looking for cheap services for all your projects...yet want America standards...how possible is that? I am not a builder...but i have noticed every person on here keep blaming the Nigerian builder, when most of u even uses bricklayer to supervise projects, because u don't want to pay money...

Enough of the bragging & talk...living in America or any foreign country doesn't bespeak one can comfortably build a bungalow...America architecture is different from dat of Nigeria, taking some factors into considerations...Everything can't be same...

johnson232:
The major issue i have with this thread is that most of the pioneers & active members are biased & full of talks...thereby making the thread really uninteresting...
U people keep screaming America this, America that...but u can't even afford the current cheap services offered by our local workers...People need motivation to think outside d box...u people are always looking for cheap services for all your projects...yet want America standards...how possible is that? I am not a builder...but i have noticed every person on here keep blaming the Nigerian builder, when most of u even uses bricklayer to supervise projects, because u don't want to pay money...

Enough of the bragging & talk...living in America or any foreign country doesn't bespeak one can comfortably build a bungalow...America architecture is different from dat of Nigeria, taking some factors into considerations...Everything can't be same...

Thank you sir may God continue to bless you.well spoken

akinolaolujide:

Are u a white man, comprehension seems to be the problem here i think you should re-register for TOEFL maybe that will really help you. What do you understand in construction if its so easy oga lemme give you manual and you can climb up the roof and nail them urself. Is there not a clear difference between between furniture and carpentry.
For the intelligent people in the house i have not said its not possible all i have said is that will anyone that wants such be willing to foot the bills shikena. Please we all know there are grades of construction and you get what you paid for.( that is if you are not dealing with quacks)
For the curious minded for you to achieve roofing such as this even roofing system where only bolts and nuts are used for the joints is never the issue in naija seriously, issue is what is the clients spending power.
For instance u need a comprehensive set of drawings detailing each aspect of the construction from foundation works to roofing all this accounts for a high level of accuracy in the construction process all this comes with money you need surveying tools on site for alignments and levels, to check corners and plumbness. e.t.c
To my dear friend with comprehension issue people like you will go to sawmill you will buy your wood and keep complaining about poor workmanship.




I still retain my question are the clients willing to foot the bills as it is, if yes i can assure you all is possible. afterall all this people have family to feed and they cant do what will end them in debt just becos they want to impress a client.

Allow me to come in here. We can argue this intelligently without ass-smacking (except in a friendly way).

1. Nothing is impossible and whatever is of value doesn't come cheaply (I know you'd agree with that).

2 The argument is not about the cost as you seem to be over flogging that. The argument is a better and improved way of doing things differently (No one says it doesn't cost nothing). If the standard is to be followed and we as a country wants to play in the league of advanced nation,we should be prepared to pay the price (and I bet you people will pay, Nigerians have been known to be like that. If you doubt me, ask people who are still building during recession if the money was manna from heaven literarily).

3. Improvement and advancement come with a cost especially in the short-run but in the long run, efficiency of processes will reduce cost and the economy is going to be the better for it.

4. For professionals who know their onions, they carve a niche and trust me, there will be patronage. If you doubt me, remove the toga of impossibility, improve on your trade/profession by imbibing the "white man's" approach and you'd thank me later. Never ever say "Are you ready to pay for it?" (I see that rhetoric in many of your posts and it's nauseating, change that perception!). You know why people are talking Skimanski? Why people are talking Aventures? Why people are talking ArchitectB? Segcymoore, Abdulwastecx, podosci, segzy14 and the likes? They do common things uncommonly. They can do better but they have carved a niche! They will continue to have patronage (God Bless them).

5. Tell me one innovative way (white man's approach) you choose to carry out your trade/profession (by displaying some of your work here) and I'd tell you that you'd have succeeded in carving out a niche. Your work will speak volume and your market share will amaze you.

6. Never ever let money be a guide for what you do. Money is only a PART but not the WHOLE. Be creative and innovative first, name your price and your market share will swell.

7. If you must succeed, the cost is secondary. No one says you should charge a cut-throat price to show off your work. People have done it before and you can do better. Trust me, customers/clients are not unintelligent not to know they need to pay more for a more creative and innovative way of doing things.

8. From the foregoing, people will pay for standardised, creative and innovative way of doing things the state of the economy notwithstanding. They may haggle, but because yours is different,they'd pay something extra. Other professionals will be forced to adopt your style because they want a part of your market share and in the end,the economy is better. Be daringly creative and innovative. It is not cheap,we know that already!

Do not limit yourself by impossibilities that you create in your mind,they are ephemeral - Marilo.

Marilo:


Allow me to come in here. We can argue this intelligently without ass-smacking (except in a friendly way).

1. Nothing is impossible and whatever is of value doesn't come cheaply (I know you'd agree with that).

2 The argument is not about the cost as you seem to be over flogging that. The argument is a better and improved way of doing things differently (No one says it doesn't cost nothing). If the standard is to be followed and we as a country wants to play in the league of advanced nation,we should be prepared to pay the price (and I bet you people will pay, Nigerians have been known to be like that. If you doubt me, ask people who are still building during recession if the money was manna from heaven literarily).

3. Improvement and advancement come with a cost especially in the short-run but in the long run, efficiency of processes will reduce cost and the economy is going to be the better for it.

4. For professionals who know their onions, they carve a niche and trust me, there will be patronage. If you doubt me, remove the toga of impossibility, improve on your trade/profession by imbibing the "white man's" approach and you'd thank me later. Never ever say "Are you ready to pay for it?" (I see that rhetoric in many of your posts and it's nauseating, change that perception!). You know why people are talking Skimanski? Why people are talking Aventures? Why people are talking ArchitectB? Segcymoore, Abdulwastecx, podosci, segzy14 and the likes? They do common things uncommonly. They can do better but they have carved a niche! They will continue to have patronage (God Bless them).

5. Tell me one innovative way (white man's approach) you choose to carry out your trade/profession (by displaying some of your work here) and I'd tell you that you'd have succeeded in carving out a niche. Your work will speak volume and your market share will amaze you.

6. Never ever let money be a guide for what you do. Money is only a PART but not the WHOLE. Be creative and innovative first, name your price and your market share will swell.

7. If you must succeed, the cost is secondary. No one says you should charge a cut-throat price to show off your work. People have done it before and you can do better. Trust me, customers/clients are not unintelligent not to know they need to pay more for a more creative and innovative way of doing things.

8. From the foregoing, people will pay for standardised, creative and innovative way of doing things the state of the economy notwithstanding. They may haggle, but because yours is different,they'd pay something extra. Other professionals will be forced to adopt your style because they want a part of your market share and in the end,the economy is better. Be daringly creative and innovative. It is not cheap,we know that already!

Do not limit yourself by impossibilities that you create in your mind,they are euphemeral - Marilo.

Absolutely brilliant, well thought out and penned.

Bravo.

akinolaolujide:

Some people should just learn to swallow their pride and recieve wisdom

I couldn't agree more

johnson232:
The major issue i have with this thread is that most of the pioneers & active members are biased & full of talks...thereby making the thread really uninteresting...
U people keep screaming America this, America that...but u can't even afford the current cheap services offered by our local workers...People need motivation to think outside d box...u people are always looking for cheap services for all your projects...yet want America standards...how possible is that? I am not a builder...but i have noticed every person on here keep blaming the Nigerian builder, when most of u even uses bricklayer to supervise projects, because u don't want to pay money...

Enough of the bragging & talk...living in America or any foreign country doesn't bespeak one can comfortably build a bungalow...America architecture is different from dat of Nigeria, taking some factors into considerations...Everything can't be same...

Marilo:


Allow me to come in here. We can argue this intelligently without ass-smacking (except in a friendly way).

1. Nothing is impossible and whatever is of value doesn't come cheaply (I know you'd agree with that).

2 The argument is not about the cost as you seem to be over flogging that. The argument is a better and improved way of doing things differently (No one says it doesn't cost nothing). If the standard is to be followed and we as a country wants to play in the league of advanced nation,we should be prepared to pay the price (and I bet you people will pay, Nigerians have been known to be like that. If you doubt me, ask people who are still building during recession if the money was manna from heaven literarily).

3. Improvement and advancement come with a cost especially in the short-run but in the long run, efficiency of processes will reduce cost and the economy is going to be the better for it.

4. For professionals who know their onions, they carve a niche and trust me, there will be patronage. If you doubt me, remove the toga of impossibility, improve on your trade/profession by imbibing the "white man's" approach and you'd thank me later. Never ever say "Are you ready to pay for it?" (I see that rhetoric in many of your posts and it's nauseating, change that perception!). You know why people are talking Skimanski? Why people are talking Aventures? Why people are talking ArchitectB? Segcymoore, Abdulwastecx, podosci, segzy14 and the likes? They do common things uncommonly. They can do better but they have carved a niche! They will continue to have patronage (God Bless them).

5. Tell me one innovative way (white man's approach) you choose to carry out your trade/profession (by displaying some of your work here) and I'd tell you that you'd have succeeded in carving out a niche. Your work will speak volume and your market share will amaze you.

6. Never ever let money be a guide for what you do. Money is only a PART but not the WHOLE. Be creative and innovative first, name your price and your market share will swell.

7. If you must succeed, the cost is secondary. No one says you should charge a cut-throat price to show off your work. People have done it before and you can do better. Trust me, customers/clients are not unintelligent not to know they need to pay more for a more creative and innovative way of doing things.

8. From the foregoing, people will pay for standardised, creative and innovative way of doing things the state of the economy notwithstanding. They may haggle, but because yours is different,they'd pay something extra. Other professionals will be forced to adopt your style because they want a part of your market share and in the end,the economy is better. Be daringly creative and innovative. It is not cheap,we know that already!

Do not limit yourself by impossibilities that you create in your mind,they are euphemeral - Marilo.

Well spoken sir and i agree with you but bear in mind i had said same earlier that for willing clients all these are possible. This is not even a new innovation as we are made to believe.
As a professional i crave for perfection over the years i have seen the atitude of most clients towards professionals and artisans alike. I just dont subscribe to the direct criticism our artisans are doing the best with what they have make clients self the encourage and stop seeing dem as only beggers and thieves.
There are many challenges facing these guys except we want to say we dont see it. Most clients will pay lebanese and chinese way more than a nigerian fir the same Job. Cost has everything to do with construction sir in construction there thee key components in project management cost time and quality. Its an industry issue no individual from the guy that cuts lumber to the saw miller we dont even have public kilns to get out this timbre even if you can gather and get one how do you power them . Its a vast chain that will take time to close. The fact still remains sir cost is a main decided cos if cost is not a factor most of you woyld have contracted Julius berger instead of skimaski

Thanks for the insightful post. You however need to ask why the 'small' builders don't use such techniques. It is simplistic to think it is just because they are lazy like so many people opine to here.

The first thing is standardisation. For you to go for prefab, you must have standard materials/dimensions. Wood in Nigeria are NOT in standard sizes. So the first step is to have wood 'factory' that produce standard sizes of wood of the right quality. You may want to invest in that if you are a Nigerian.

Next thing is logistics of getting materials to sight in Nigeria. You need to check access roads to some site.

You also have the cost for rigging and lifting. Lifting operations is one of the most hazardous work! Check out people working at height in Nigeria and see whether such will be acceptable in most parts of the world.

I always use scaffolding as a good example. Why do we use bamboo as scaffolding instead of iron?

Marilo:


Allow me to come in here. We can argue this intelligently without ass-smacking (except in a friendly way).

1. Nothing is impossible and whatever is of value doesn't come cheaply (I know you'd agree with that).

2 The argument is not about the cost as you seem to be over flogging that. The argument is a better and improved way of doing things differently (No one says it doesn't cost nothing). If the standard is to be followed and we as a country wants to play in the league of advanced nation,we should be prepared to pay the price (and I bet you people will pay, Nigerians have been known to be like that. If you doubt me, ask people who are still building during recession if the money was manna from heaven literarily).

3. Improvement and advancement come with a cost especially in the short-run but in the long run, efficiency of processes will reduce cost and the economy is going to be the better for it.

4. For professionals who know their onions, they carve a niche and trust me, there will be patronage. If you doubt me, remove the toga of impossibility, improve on your trade/profession by imbibing the "white man's" approach and you'd thank me later. Never ever say "Are you ready to pay for it?" (I see that rhetoric in many of your posts and it's nauseating, change that perception!). You know why people are talking Skimanski? Why people are talking Aventures? Why people are talking ArchitectB? Segcymoore, Abdulwastecx, podosci, segzy14 and the likes? They do common things uncommonly. They can do better but they have carved a niche! They will continue to have patronage (God Bless them).

5. Tell me one innovative way (white man's approach) you choose to carry out your trade/profession (by displaying some of your work here) and I'd tell you that you'd have succeeded in carving out a niche. Your work will speak volume and your market share will amaze you.

6. Never ever let money be a guide for what you do. Money is only a PART but not the WHOLE. Be creative and innovative first, name your price and your market share will swell.

7. If you must succeed, the cost is secondary. No one says you should charge a cut-throat price to show off your work. People have done it before and you can do better. Trust me, customers/clients are not unintelligent not to know they need to pay more for a more creative and innovative way of doing things.

8. From the foregoing, people will pay for standardised, creative and innovative way of doing things the state of the economy notwithstanding. They may haggle, but because yours is different,they'd pay something extra. Other professionals will be forced to adopt your style because they want a part of your market share and in the end,the economy is better. Be daringly creative and innovative. It is not cheap,we know that already!

Do not limit yourself by impossibilities that you create in your mind,they are euphemeral - Marilo.

wanaj0:
Thanks for the insightful post. You however need to ask why the 'small' builders don't use such techniques. It is simplistic to think it is just because they are lazy like so many people opine to here.

The first thing is standardisation. For you to go for prefab, you must have standard materials/dimensions. Wood in Nigeria are NOT in standard sizes. So the first step is to have wood 'factory' that produce standard sizes of wood of the right quality. You may want to invest in that if you are a Nigerian.

Next thing is logistics of getting materials to sight in Nigeria. You need to check access roads to some site.

You also have the cost for rigging and lifting. Lifting operations is one of the most hazardous work! Check out people working at height in Nigeria and see whether such will be acceptable in most parts of the world.

I always use scaffolding as a good example. Why do we use bamboo as scaffolding instead of iron?

Ur statements are from a laymans perspective iron are being used daily for construction in naija. Its a wrong notion for you to say that if you want iron form work it is available i dont really see the issue here most of the complains are available. We have people that specialises in scaffolding arrangment and formwork
Bamboo is a cheaper alternative in construction. And bamboos are not bad examples we can talk of improving their usability not that they are totally it still takes us back to square one how industrialised are we.
Instead of all these plenty grammer i expect someone of u guys to take it up as a business model to help correct it if u feel its such a big problem.

wanaj0:
Thanks for the insightful post. You however need to ask why the 'small' builders don't use such techniques. It is simplistic to think it is just because they are lazy like so many people opine to here.

The first thing is standardisation. For you to go for prefab, you must have standard materials/dimensions. Wood in Nigeria are NOT in standard sizes. So the first step is to have wood 'factory' that produce standard sizes of wood of the right quality. You may want to invest in that if you are a Nigerian.

Next thing is logistics of getting materials to sight in Nigeria. You need to check access roads to some site.

You also have the cost for rigging and lifting. Lifting operations is one of the most hazardous work! Check out people working at height in Nigeria and see whether such will be acceptable in most parts of the world.

I always use scaffolding as a good example. Why do we use bamboo as scaffolding instead of iron?

1) The Chinese use bamboo even on some skyscrapers

2) Oga Spyder880 has used both adjustable steel and bamboo support for decking, maybe he can tutor us on his findings.

I think part of the issue, a big part, is the cheap labor.

akinolaolujide:

Some people should just learn to swallow their pride and recieve wisdom

Tell them awon baba ilu Oyibo forming here on Nairaland as if we care to know they worth...
Awon omo oju ori Ola ri

akinolaolujide:

Well spoken sir and i agree with you but bear in mind i had said same earlier that for willing clients all these are possible. This is not even a new innovation as we are made to believe.
As a professional i crave for perfection over the years i have seen the atitude of most clients towards professionals and artisans alike. I just dont subscribe to the direct criticism our artisans are doing the best with what they have make clients self the encourage and stop seeing dem as only beggers and thieves.
There are many challenges facing these guys except we want to say we dont see it. Most clients will pay lebanese and chinese way more than a nigerian fir the same Job. Cost has everything to do with construction sir in construction there thee key components in project management cost time and quality. Its an industry issue no individual from the guy that cuts lumber to the saw miller we dont even have public kilns to get out this timbre even if you can gather and get one how do you power them . Its a vast chain that will take time to close. The fact still remains sir cost is a main decided cos if cost is not a factor most of you woyld have contracted Julius berger instead of skimaski

1. My brother, there are CHALLENGES EVERYWHERE! the degree of the challenges varies but it's not to say they don't exist.

2. The attitude of clients will not change. A typical client want the best for low cost. It's the same everywhere.

3.Exploring a cheap way of doing business is not totally bad. Everybody (business owners/contractors and clients/customers) is looking for better deal for low cost. But paying a premium for a service with a difference cannot be disputed.

4. Even in those so advanced countries (I said so called because in reality, they also have their challenges), they engage the services of Lebanese and Chinese (If you doubt me, check the back of your iPhone and tell me where it was assembled). You see, the challenges are similar but with a great deal of variance.

5. Most of our problems/challenges in Nigeria are self-inflicted. Let's not get into the economics of disparity in service charge but in all, we are all looking at benefitting from the advantages offered by comparative advantage but standards must never be compromised and an "It-can't-be-done" approach should be in the trash-can (for LAWMA if you want).

Hello guys this forum as being very quiet for sometime now. I need help with current information to stamp duty cost of land in Ibeju lekki, with current procedure of registering deed of land and associated cost of governors consent.

money121:


Tell them awon baba ilu Oyibo forming here on Nairaland as if we care to know they worth...
Awon omo oju ori Ola ri

1.There's absolutely nothing wrong in staying "abroad" if you choose to and nothing is wrong in staying in the remotest part of Nigeria. They both offer advantages and disadvantages, it's a matter of choice. To each his own.

2. Flaunt what you got and be proud of it. If you think anyone is oppressing you with everything "abroad", you can intimidate the person with what you've got that they don't have "abroad". To each his own

3. Where you call home is where you find peace, either abroad or in the village. To each his own

4. Nigeria is blessed no doubt, so is "abroad". That you are abroad is not a yardstick for success neither is it being the village headmaster in Nigeria.

5. "Abroad" has a lot to learn from us and we have a great deal to learn from "abroad". Cross-fertlization of ideas shouldn't be seen as flaunting affluence offered by "abroad".

Moving forward, the discuss is about building construction and how we stand to benefit from the exchange of ideas that if offers not about wealth, not about intimidation and not about the dichotomy of abroad and Nigeria.

Marilo:


1. My brother, there are CHALLENGES EVERYWHERE! the degree of the challenges varies but it's not to say they don't exist.

2. The attitude of clients will not change. A typical client want the best for low cost. It's the same everywhere.

3.Exploring a cheap way of doing business is not totally bad. Everybody (business owners/contractors and clients/customers) is looking for better deal for low cost. But paying a premium for a service with a difference cannot be disputed.

4. Even in those so advanced countries (I said so called because in reality, they also have their challenges), they engage the services of Lebanese and Chinese (If you doubt me, check the back of your iPhone and tell me where it was assembled). You see, the challenges are similar but with a great deal of variance.

5. Most of our problems/challenges in Nigeria are self-inflicted. Let's not get into the economics of disparity in service charge but in all, we are all looking at benefitting from the advantages offered by comparative advantage but standards must never be compromised and an "It-can't-be-done" approach should be in the trash-can (for LAWMA if you want).

For point #4, the primary building construction workers are from South America, primarily Mexico.

wanaj0:
Thanks for the insightful post. You however need to ask why the 'small' builders don't use such techniques. It is simplistic to think it is just because they are lazy like so many people opine to here.

The first thing is standardisation. For you to go for prefab, you must have standard materials/dimensions. Wood in Nigeria are NOT in standard sizes. So the first step is to have wood 'factory' that produce standard sizes of wood of the right quality. You may want to invest in that if you are a Nigerian.

Next thing is logistics of getting materials to sight in Nigeria. You need to check access roads to some site.

You also have the cost for rigging and lifting. Lifting operations is one of the most hazardous work! Check out people working at height in Nigeria and see whether such will be acceptable in most parts of the world.

I always use scaffolding as a good example. Why do we use bamboo as scaffolding instead of iron?

My opinion:

It's a matter of choice considering so many factors....

Nothing is wrong in using bamboo as scaffold. It's a matter of safety, cost efficiency and innovation.

I look forward to a day where, like shoprite (or a typical high class supermarket in Nigeria),you can walk into a store and buy all manners of building materials in one shop like the IKEA of this world,homebase,BHS,BuildBase etc

EgunMogaji:


For point #4, the primary building construction workers are from South America, primarily Mexico.

I agree with you, especially in North America.

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Someone mentioned here sometime ago how he gets disappointed at the finishing in the so-termed N50-60m mansions in Nigeria.

Something as easy as laying tiles becomes a chore. Maintaining a straight line becomes onerous tasks. Guess what? It will cost the same in material and labour to the job per square meter. The fact is that clients are not getting what they pay for. The standard labour rate for a mason is N60/block. If you pay them and they couldn't maintain a straight line, how does price factor into it?

People complained here a few weeks ago about the roofing guy that did some bad jobs for them. Was that because of the cost or because the dude has no shame at mediocrity? Whatever is worth doing is worth doing well. Of course, there are some people that will continue to patronize quacks. Last time I checked, building are still collapsing halfway in Nigeria.

InvertedHammer:
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Someone mentioned here sometime ago how he gets disappointed at the finishing in the so-termed N50-60m mansions in Nigeria.

Something as easy as laying tiles becomes a chore. Maintaining a straight line becomes onerous tasks. Guess what? It will cost the same in material and labour to the job per square meter. The fact is that clients are not getting what they pay for. The standard labour rate for a mason is N60/block. If you pay them and they couldn't maintain a straight line, how does price factor into it?

People complained here a few weeks ago about the roofing guy that did some bad jobs for them. Was that because of the cost or because the dude has no shame at mediocrity? Whatever is what doing is what doing well. Of course, there are some people that will continue to patronize quacks. Last time I checked, building are still collapsing halfway in Nigeria.

This is also why some people cannot grow. As Nigerians, we do not fully appreciate the time value of money.if any of these guys had to take a bank loan, they would learn very quickly about the value of tools in saving time.

Nigerians may be part of the problem though. We are 'hard work' people. As such a lot of us see a job done quickly and efficiently and assume it must be easy and therefore cheap.

You see it in all the silly threads and posts celebrating technicians and disdaining office work. I can sit down at my desk for 48hours trying to figure out the most effective way to execute and coordinate project. The client may see this as unessecary 'book work' as Nigerians are wont to

In this climate, people who refuse to adopt technology will suffer. The other day we engaged one of our 'hand work' vendors on a fabrication job.he gave a cost of 110k. We then engaged a 'machine' vendor who did same for 45k. Who gets the contract to do the bulk fabrication?

InvertedHammer:
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Someone mentioned here sometime ago how he gets disappointed at the finishing in the so-termed N50-60m mansions in Nigeria.

Something as easy as laying tiles becomes a chore. Maintaining a straight line becomes onerous tasks. Guess what? It will cost the same in material and labour to the job per square meter. The fact is that clients are not getting what they pay for. The standard labour rate for a mason is N60/block. If you pay them and they couldn't maintain a straight line, how does price factor into it?

People complained here a few weeks ago about the roofing guy that did some bad jobs for them. Was that because of the cost or because the dude has no shame at mediocrity? Whatever is what doing is what doing well. Of course, there are some people that will continue to patronize quacks. Last time I checked, building are still collapsing halfway in Nigeria.

The bold is subjective sir...Quacks are innevitable in any sector or industry & the main reason why client really fall into the hands of quacks is because of greed. Considerable number of clients are after cheap services, they start screaming after they must have seen d end result. Whether anybody decide to fall into the hands of quacks, fraudsters & get swindled is not enough reason to generalize... It is even evident here on nairaland, how many client go through d normal process of approving a building plan? they are always after free drawings on NL, because they don't want to pay money...We have seen many people coming here to seek advise, because they don't want to pay money to engage the the service of a registered engineer...we have some people on this thread who are building currently, without an IT student on their site, let alone a registered engineer or architect...My point is clients greedy nature is also an impedement in achieving progress in d construction industry....& they should stop acting like saints & stop putting all the bames on builders, engineers & architect...Because going by what i read online, only few persons are willing to hire the service of a registered architect or engineer & that is why many end up in the hands of quacks..

oyb:


This is also why some people cannot grow. As Nigerians, we do not fully appreciate the time value of money.if any of these guys had to take a bank loan, they would learn very quickly about the value of tools in saving time.

Nigerians may be part of the problem though. We are 'hard work' people. As such a lot of us see a job done quickly and efficiently and assume it must be easy and therefore cheap.

You see it in all the silly threads and posts celebrating technicians and disdaining office work. I can sit down at my desk for 48hours trying to figure out the most effective way to execute and coordinate project. The client may see this as unessecary 'book work' as Nigerians are wont to

In this climate, people who refuse to adopt technology will suffer. The other day we engaged one of our 'hand work' vendors on a fabrication job.he gave a cost of 110k. We then engaged a 'machine' vendor who did same for 45k. Who gets the contract to do the bulk fabrication?

You got it!

How can a valid argument be: The clients are not willing to pay so we will continue to churn out mediocre products?

Are these people even listening to themselves? One factor is that everyone is about the money. Some of the workers do not have the patience to learn their trade the proper way. We have seen their handiwork. It is sad that the defenders of mediocrity are denying the existence of such problem. For them, it is all about cost as if artisans themselves are not out to gouge potential clients. What happens when a client pays the standard rate and yet couldn't get what he bargained for?
That's how people were making excuses for auto mechanics until their clients wisened up. Who buys millions of naira worth of cars to leave them at the mercy of the guess work of a mechanic? Mechanics who are serious in their trade were forced to upgrade and innovate.
Machines/tools make things cheaper like you noted.

Marilo:


1. My brother, there are CHALLENGES EVERYWHERE! the degree of the challenges varies but it's not to say they don't exist.

2. The attitude of clients will not change. A typical client want the best for low cost. It's the same everywhere.

3.Exploring a cheap way of doing business is not totally bad. Everybody (business owners/contractors and clients/customers) is looking for better deal for low cost. But paying a premium for a service with a difference cannot be disputed.

4. Even in those so advanced countries (I said so called because in reality, they also have their challenges), they engage the services of Lebanese and Chinese (If you doubt me, check the back of your iPhone and tell me where it was assembled). You see, the challenges are similar but with a great deal of variance.

5. Most of our problems/challenges in Nigeria are self-inflicted. Let's not get into the economics of disparity in service charge but in all, we are all looking at benefitting from the advantages offered by comparative advantage but standards must never be compromised and an "It-can't-be-done" approach should be in the trash-can (for LAWMA if you want).

I clearly understand you but our market here is quite different, please make no mistake let me repeat that i have never said it can not be done. please dont misunderstand me. i love good Job but most clients no dey put their mouth where their money dey. i have been priviledge to have a few designs oon banana island u need to see the quality of the finishes all done locally. from tiling to P.O.P to painting e.t.c All am saying is if you are willing to pay bross there is quality services everywhere here in naija.

InvertedHammer:


You got it!

How can a valid argument be: The clients are not willing to pay so we will continue to churn out mediocre products?

Are these people even listening to themselves? One factor is that everyone is about the money. Some of the workers do not have the patience to learn their trade the proper way. We have seen their handiwork. It is sad that the defenders of mediocrity are denying the existence of such problem. For them, it is all about cost as if artisans themselves are not out to gouge potential clients. What happens when a client pays the standard rate and yet couldn't get what he bargained for?
That's how people were making excuses for auto mechanics until their clients wisened up. Who buys millions of naira worth of cars to leave them at the mercy of the guess work of a mechanic? Mechanics who are serious in their trade were forced to upgrade and innovate.
Machines/tools make things cheaper like you noted.

Most of you have a shallow and passive knowledge of construction. really i can understand none of this materials are substandard my brother we are not takling about quacks here or people who do not know what they are doing. Framing roofing carcas of site does not make it original i believe any sensible builder will know that. and fabricating on site does not make it substandard that components are not precise does not make them fake its all a question of finishes and attention to details. lets not put our biases before our logical reasoning its quite important. using bamboo as formwork does not deminish the structural integrity of a floor slab and using steel does not improve the structural integrity. There is a level of work that demands for the use of some certain tools. Its important to understand all these things before jumping into conclusion how many client do their due deligence before employing trades men most of the time cost is the main determinant. the cheapest quote gets the Job. then you come here and say nasty things about those that work hard within this limitations to get their Jobs done just to feel cool.

InvertedHammer:


You got it!

How can a valid argument be: The clients are not willing to pay so we will continue to churn out mediocre products?

Are these people even listening to themselves? One factor is that everyone is about the money. Some of the workers do not have the patience to learn their trade the proper way. We have seen their handiwork. It is sad that the defenders of mediocrity are denying the existence of such problem. For them, it is all about cost as if artisans themselves are not out to gouge potential clients. What happens when a client pays the standard rate and yet couldn't get what he bargained for?
That's how people were making excuses for auto mechanics until their clients wisened up. Who buys millions of naira worth of cars to leave them at the mercy of the guess work of a mechanic? Mechanics who are serious in their trade were forced to upgrade and innovate.
Machines/tools make things cheaper like you noted.

I agree with you, it's as became noun in our beloved country. Most people glorifier wrong doing when one speck up about it that is what you get. The forgot all these places the love to be uphold the integrity in every aspect of there society, that is why the are what the are. People will still try to rubbish it anyway, but gess what many of them in bottom of their heart still want to be there even if is for visit .