what do you mean by stamp duty cost ?
I only seem to remember paying stamp duty when I did my consent, and this was at the tail end of the process, after paying stamp duty it came out in a matter of weeks. I think it was just about 10k or 12k or so.

kopell:
Hello guys this forum as being very quiet for sometime now. I need help with current information to stamp duty cost of land in Ibeju lekki, with current procedure of registering deed of land and associated cost of governors consent.

How many of you guys have Architects and services engineers on your projects through the life time of the project to ensure quality and control. how many of your consult them before engaging the trades men to find out if the understand the works they are about to embark on and have the capacity to deliver the project at the right cost, within the right time and the right quality. Its not about making excuses if all things are done via proper channel i bet you we wont even be discussing these issues. the truth is in as much as trades men are guilty clients are the most and they often loose the most.

akinolaolujide:

I clearly understand you but our market here is quite different, please make no mistake let me repeat that i have never said it can not be done. please dont misunderstand me. i love good Job but most clients no dey put their mouth where their money dey. i have been priviledge to have a few designs oon banana island u need to see the quality of the finishes all done locally. from tiling to P.O.P to painting e.t.c All am saying is if you are willing to pay bross there is quality services everywhere here in naija.

Let me ask some questions here

1. Who is not willing to pay for what service?

2. Are you using your experience as an extrapolation tool for the construction industry in Nigeria? Do you have any data to buttress the fact that people are not willing to pay?

3. When you say "our market here",it makes it look like people who live outside Nigeria don't know what is on ground. You'd be amazed that many people know even much more than people at home. In any case, a forum like nairaland offers that bridge.

4. People who want to pay nothing for goodand services are everywhere, they are not limited to Nigeria alone. What is the correlation between paying nothing for something worthwhile and compromising standards? Shouldn't it be,if you're not willing to pay,
you won't get the service and standards can never be compromised?

5. I seem to be getting a feeling from you with what you wrote that because people are not willing to pay or that they want free service is reason to compromise standards.

6. That people are seeking for the best for nothing/cheaply is not a sin. What is a sin is compromising standards simply because the client wants to pay nothing!

Let me give you a personal experience.

I used to work for a service company on Osborne road Ikoyi Lagos years back. We were to engage the service of a carpenter for some bespoke furniture in the office as the office was newly acquired from the Japanese embassy at the time. Amongst those who bided for the contract was a Nigerian who looked so simple but sophisticated during presentation. He presented a 3D version of what the office was to look like after service delivery.During presentation, he kept on tweaking the prototype as we were condemning and commending his work. In the end,he got the contract,he delivered and we never ceased praising this guy.Nobody comes to the office without taking a second look at the furniture with a difference. He got many contracts from that job. I cannot forget the wicanda flooingr this guy delivered. This was a Nigerian in the midst of several other companies, many of them foreign companies.

akinolaolujide:
How many of you guys have Architects and services engineers on your projects through the life time of the project to ensure quality and control. how many of your consult them before engaging the trades men to find out if the understand the works they are about to embark on and have the capacity to deliver the project at the right cost, within the right time and the right quality. Its not about making excuses if all things are done via proper channel i bet you we wont even be discussing these issues. the truth is in as much as trades men are guilty clients are the most and they often loose the most.

God bless u sir...This is the point i am driving at...not clients claiming saints all the time...

mavverick:
what do you mean by stamp duty cost ?
I only seem to remember paying stamp duty when I did my consent, and this was at the tail end of the process, after paying stamp duty it came out in a matter of weeks. I think it was just about 10k or 12k or so.

my brother what is the total cost of the governor concert, stamp duty is part of the cost after deed titles registration then concert. I believe it's easier to do it one process, sometimes one can get deed stamp in court before proceeding to do the rest later.

EgunMogaji:


1) The Chinese use bamboo even on some skyscrapers

2) Oga Spyder880 has used both adjustable steel and bamboo support for decking, maybe he can tutor us on his findings.

I think part of the issue, a big part, is the cheap labor.

Exactly. 'CHEAP' is what is driving the construction practices you see.

Now scaffolding will be cheaper if many people use it and you have good riggers and scaffolders to set it up.

When you have clients who are doing construction as money comes, it comes difficult to properly project manage and benefit from the efficiency you get from mass production.

akinolaolujide:

Ur statements are from a laymans perspective iron are being used daily for construction in naija. Its a wrong notion for you to say that if you want iron form work it is available i dont really see the issue here most of the complains are available. We have people that specialises in scaffolding arrangment and formwork
Bamboo is a cheaper alternative in construction. And bamboos are not bad examples we can talk of improving their usability not that they are totally it still takes us back to square one how industrialised are we.
Instead of all these plenty grammer i expect someone of u guys to take it up as a business model to help correct it if u feel its such a big problem.

Layman? I laugh. In your haste to post you show lack of understanding of the import of my post.

To break it down for you, cost is the major driver of the construction practices. This cost is both the initial cost of tools and equipment and sometimes the running cost of maintaining them.

Next is the infrastructure to support such construction practices. How many factories are available to properly cut and treat wood in the country?

You use bamboo because it is 'cheaper'. Will Julius Berger do the same? NO. Will the 'usual' client in Nigeria pay for the use of iron scaffolds? How many people in Nigeria are even aware that there are certifications for scaffolders and riggers?

Ideas must be adjusted to suit the environment where you operate.

wanaj0:


Layman? I laugh. In your haste to post you show lack of understanding of the import of my post.

To break it down for you, cost is the major driver of the construction practices. This cost is both the initial cost of tools and equipment and sometimes the running cost of maintaining them.

Next is the infrastructure to support such construction practices. How many factories are available to properly cut and treat wood in the country?

You use bamboo because it is 'cheaper'. Will Julius Berger do the same? NO. Will the 'usual' client in Nigeria pay for the use of iron scaffolds? How many people in Nigeria are even aware that there are certifications for scaffolders and riggers?

Ideas must be adjusted to suit the environment where you operate.

It is actually because of poor regulation. Just have an accident on your site, especially in lagos, and you will see lasbca asking for your mothers maiden name and fining you to hell.

In the long run, it is more cost effective to have reusable materials.

Marilo:


Let me ask some questions here

1. Who is not willing to pay for what service?

2. Are you using your experience as an extrapolation tool for the construction industry in Nigeria? Do you have any data to buttress the fact that people are not willing to pay?

3. When you say "our market here",it makes it look like people who live outside Nigeria don't know what is on ground. You'd be amazed that many people know even much more than people at home. In any case, a forum like nairaland offers that bridge.

4. People who want to pay nothing for goodand services are everywhere, they are not limited to Nigeria alone. What is the correlation between paying nothing for something worthwhile and compromising standards? Shouldn't it be,if you're not willing to pay,
you won't get the service and standards can never be compromised?

5. I seem to be getting a feeling from you with what you wrote that because people are not willing to pay or that they want free service is reason to compromise standards.

6. That people are seeking for the best for nothing/cheaply is not a sin. What is a sin is compromising standards simply because the client wants to pay nothing!

Let me give you a personal experience.

I used to work for a service company on Osborne road Ikoyi Lagos years back. We were to engage the service of a carpenter for some bespoke furniture in the office as the office was newly acquired from the Japanese embassy at the time. Amongst those who bided for the contract was a Nigerian who looked so simple but sophisticated during presentation. He presented a 3D version of what the office was to look like after service delivery.During presentation, he kept on tweaking the prototype as we were condemning and commending his work. In the end,he got the contract,he delivered and we never ceased praising this guy.Nobody comes to the office without taking a second look at the furniture with a difference. He got many contracts from that job. I cannot forget the wicanda flooingr this guy delivered. This was a Nigerian in the midst of several other companies, many of them foreign companies.

U seem to be echoing my concern in a different tone i have never said cos people dont pay means they get substandard Job.i product might be durable but not so aesthetically pleasing. In as much as i dont ave an accurate documented data u also dont have same.
Am speaking as an architect having been on several projects i have seen and observed that the attitudes of clients greatly affects the end products of a project.
I dont want to go to many view.
Most clients give out jobs without knowing what it really entails to deliver the Job at the right quality shikena and most of these. U said in your statement that you guys were able to quiz and probe, that takes a certain knowledge level.

oyb:


It is actually because of poor regulation. Just have an accident on your site, especially in lagos, and you will see lasbca asking for your mothers maiden name and fining you to hell.

In the long run, it is more cost effective to have reusable materials.

u need to focus and lets know where you are stop dancing left and right.

Am glad people are really seeing this from a broader perspective it make the deliberation more purposeful and problem solving. Lols nice one really glad to have contributed.

Marilo:


Oga,you seem to be in a bad mood today...Who told you I am not in Canada (or anywhere else apart from Nigeria) as you are? You see why it's not good to jump the gun? I have asked for a favour,all I got back was some attitude! Come down of your high horse,you ain't feeding anyone here.

If I ask you a favour,you can choose to refuse but to be cunningly insultive is the last thing I expect from you. Thanks.

Stop being silly. This is the second time you're going to ask me the same question. I politely kept quiet the first time thinking you will come to your senses. You specifically asked for ikorodu area and I chose to help because my house in Nigeria isn't far from that particular area. Since when it became a crime to help? Don't you ever insult me! This is the exact reason I mind my business here and read silently. You guys just think everyone in here are teenagers, there are people over 50s here too that are keen to learn. If your are in Canada then you should know how to use google map!

wanaj0:


Exactly. 'CHEAP' is what is driving the construction practices you see.

Now scaffolding will be cheaper if many people use it and you have good riggers and scaffolders to set it up.

When you have clients who are doing construction as money comes, it comes difficult to properly project manage and benefit from the efficiency you get from mass production.

If we go back to the premade trusses that started this debate.

Truss companies make two types of trusses:

(1) Standard Trusses: that are basic measurements. Architects design to these specifics in most homes. They are in stock and can be bought immediately. Most homes can use these ones with very little adjustment. They can be raised higher or lower to span different building widths.

(2) Custom Trusses: these are made to specific architectural measurements based on the architectural plans. There is a lead time to purchase.

Although I am building my retirement home in stages because I have two other houses that I can live in now but I should still be able to benefit from the efficiency of mass production simply because I am not the only one building and I assume that purchases will be staggered across different buyers at any given time.

My Wife and I are discussing our next steps, we are seriously considering just giving the final build to one of two demonstrated builders on here with whom quality is not an accident.

Qc1:
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Stop being silly. This is the second time you're going to ask me the same question. I politely kept quiet the first time thinking you will come to your senses. You specifically asked for ikorodu area and I chose to help because my house in Nigeria isn't far from that particular area. Since when it became a crime to help? Don't you ever insult me! This is the exact reason I mind my business here and read silently. You guys just think everyone in here are teenagers, there are people over 50s here too that are keen to learn. If your are in Canada then you should know how to use google map!

Keep your age to your pocket! You don't know my age either,so stop being childish with age debate!
You posted nothing and I didn't particularly solicit your assistance. I asked everyone here like everybody does.

I have had time to go through your posts and I have come to the conclusion that you are an hypocrite. I don;t need your service,take it elsewhere.

In any case,I got what I needed from ANBAKO, he gave a phone number (not some vague,childish help that meant nothing).

akinolaolujide:

u need to focus and lets know where you are stop dancing left and right.

I am a project manager managing construction projects for my employer.

I face contractors that try to cut corners, contractors who are satisfied with mediocrity, contractors who flout the most basic safety precautions, contractors who refuse to use technology to improve their processes, Contractors who cannot prepare a simple project plan... I could go on forever.

I have faced the fallout of a death on site, and it was a nightmare. Thats when your regulatory authorities will trot out the rule book and you will know how much you have been exposed by your careless vendors.

The real money is in commercial construction, but most of the small builders who we engage are unable to step up their game. The ogas come in late model SUVs, but they are unable to provide their workers with simple PPE. I have been biting my tongue and fingers at some of the things I see posted here, because Nigerians hate criticism. They prefer to be praised for entry level achievements.


People will always make excuses for sloppy work. Complaining about the noise when opportunity is knocking.

.

Marilo:


Let me ask some questions here

1. Who is not willing to pay for what service?

2. Are you using your experience as an extrapolation tool for the construction industry in Nigeria? Do you have any data to buttress the fact that people are not willing to pay?

3. When you say "our market here",it makes it look like people who live outside Nigeria don't know what is on ground. You'd be amazed that many people know even much more than people at home. In any case, a forum like nairaland offers that bridge.

4. People who want to pay nothing for goodand services are everywhere, they are not limited to Nigeria alone. What is the correlation between paying nothing for something worthwhile and compromising standards? Shouldn't it be,if you're not willing to pay,
you won't get the service and standards can never be compromised?

5. I seem to be getting a feeling from you with what you wrote that because people are not willing to pay or that they want free service is reason to compromise standards.

6. That people are seeking for the best for nothing/cheaply is not a sin. What is a sin is compromising standards simply because the client wants to pay nothing!

Let me give you a personal experience.

I used to work for a service company on Osborne road Ikoyi Lagos years back. We were to engage the service of a carpenter for some bespoke furniture in the office as the office was newly acquired from the Japanese embassy at the time. Amongst those who bided for the contract was a Nigerian who looked so simple but sophisticated during presentation. He presented a 3D version of what the office was to look like after service delivery.During presentation, he kept on tweaking the prototype as we were condemning and commending his work. In the end,he got the contract,he delivered and we never ceased praising this guy.Nobody comes to the office without taking a second look at the furniture with a difference. He got many contracts from that job. I cannot forget the wicanda flooingr this guy delivered. This was a Nigerian in the midst of several other companies, many of them foreign companies.

There you have it. The man probably used sketchup, which is a dirt cheap easy to learn 3d modelling program. You can use it as an architect, as an amateur. Woodworkers love it. I use it all the time to provide visualization of concepts.

A professionally done 3d model is always knocks the clients socks off.

akinolaolujide:

I still retain my question are the clients willing to foot the bills as it is, if yes i can assure you all is possible, after all all this people have family to feed and they cant do what will end them in debt just becos they want to impress a client.

For crying out loud, this is the freaking problem with our country! The man illustrated that the " most of you", including me would gladly pay 200k to rent metal scaffold instead of twice for the inferior bamboo or wood alternative. A winning proposition to all plus the environment. Yet people keep talking as if the lack of professional or occupational development is because people are not willing to pay for excellence. Which begs the chicken and egg question about whether Togolese hone their skills because "most of us" are willing to pay a premium or whether we are "slappy happy" to pay the premium because they demonstrate proactively acquired exceptional skills set. Segments of Nigerian market for any product or service have respective equilibrium prices. Enough of this crap about if the client is willing to pay. Ask the Togolese!

Mayor78:
This oyinbo people I dont know what to make of them. Imagine this one delivering a factory made measure to make roofing caracas. All dimensions are taken, sketched and cut exactly to nearest measured millimetre. Na waa, I am just wondering if our carpenters and engineers here can give us similar services without stories 'Oga the wood wey you buy no reach',
Oga no be my fault we be say the length no reach, na as the engine de cut am be that!
Oga na small problem now we go come amend am but you go put small money!
Oga we no get light since last month the work never ready!
Oga we no dey oyinbo land I never see person wey do roofing caracas for workshop-ooh!
Oga you wan turn us to winch, how you wan make we measure your roof and doam for another place.

Our people will come with ndless limiting excuses as they look for ways to dealt with you? I wonder oooo!!!

This is how roof wood are built no hammer on site lol

Juokorow:


For crying out loud, this is the freaking problem with our country! The man illustrated that the " most of you", including me would gladly pay 200k to rent metal scaffold instead of twice for the inferior bamboo or wood alternative. A winning proposition to all plus the environment. Yet people keep talking as if the lack of professional or occupational development is because people are not willing to pay for excellence. Which begs the chicken and egg question about whether Togolese hone their skills because "most of us" are willing to pay a premium or whether we are "slappy happy" to pay the premium because they demonstrate proactively acquired exceptional skills set. Segments of Nigerian market for any product or service have respective equilibrium prices. Enough of this crap about if the client is willing to pay. Ask the Togolese!

Good points.

I paid my Togolese Tiler almost double what the highest estimate from local Tilers were. I was ready to pay what it takes to get the quality and most will do too.

I'm very particular about what I see, touch and feel so I know that my finishing will gulp much money.

These attacking clients looking for quality that some are doing is just a red herring. IMHO.

Juokorow:


For crying out loud, this is the freaking problem with our country! The man illustrated that the " most of you", including me would gladly pay 200k to rent metal scaffold instead of twice for the inferior bamboo or wood alternative. A winning proposition to all plus the environment. Yet people keep talking as if the lack of professional or occupational development is because people are not willing to pay for excellence. Which begs the chicken and egg question about whether Togolese hone their skills because "most of us" are willing to pay a premium or whether we are "slappy happy" to pay the premium because they demonstrate proactively acquired exceptional skills set. Segments of Nigerian market for any product or service have respective equilibrium prices. Enough of this crap about if the client is willing to pay. Ask the Togolese!

Have you heard of Building information modelling (BIM)?
fairly new Technology that has come to change the way buildings are designed and constructed.

We don't count the cost before embarking in this part of the world, we cost before we count. Problems in Nigeria are fundamental and deeply rooted. and would take a while to address, by gradual changes in our patterns and lifestyle. BIM is one of those changes. It will bring an end to most issues faced on our various projects. Find out more on the blog section of www.set2build.com.

kenazuu:


hahahaha, boss no be so. I will check there this week. I am waiting for that day sir.

Here's the manufacturers website

http://www.cdkindustriesng.com

set2build:


Have you heard of Building information modelling (BIM)?
fairly new Technology that has come to change the way buildings are designed and constructed.

We don't count the cost before embarking in this part of the world, we cost before we count. Problems in Nigeria are fundamental and deeply rooted. and would take a while to address, by gradual changes in our patterns and lifestyle. BIM is one of those changes. It will bring an end to most issues faced on our various projects. Find out more on the blog section of www.set2build.com.

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It is obvious that it is not about cost. They are just intimidated by the prospect of delving into new areas that evidently offer cheaper alternatives. One good job will yield referrals that will offset cost of tools in due time. They are hiding under costs to mask their mental laziness. None of them has any iota of idea of what the cost is. They are simply intimidated by new things.

Like they say,"a bad workman quarrels with his tools". These ones haven't even tried the tools yet and they are already quarreling wih it. The safest bet is to stay away from folks like that while they pry their trade among fellow charlatans.

Don't be surprised that hslbroker is using akinolaolajide handle to suck in more victims. Both of them sound eerily same, but then only to the gullibles to the antics of scam artist. Talk is cheap.
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Hmmm... If you are Lazy and unintelligent, no matter the amount of Tools given to you, you will still end up doing a shoddy job.

Hardworking and intelligent people, no matter their chosen field, always seek to improve, fine-tune and become more efficient in their work.
Efficiency, in general terms, can offset the "additional, associated cost" of any project.

Anyway, let me waka-pass.

Chekitaut:
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Oga, is that 20 ton load?

Trucks no dey arrive my site loaded to the top like that

EgunMogaji:


Oga, is that 20 ton load?

Trucks no dey arrive my site loaded to the top like that

30tons L

EgunMogaji:


Oga, is that 20 ton load?

Trucks no dey arrive my site loaded to the top like that

30tons Lol, follow us on https://www.facebook.com/1stGranite/

Ongoing workshop

wanaj0:


Problem is not repentance. It is people doing what they are not trained to do and refusing to get competent people to work with them to cover the deficiencies they have in skill, experience and competency. It is not particular to this guy.

Brabus started as a computer/IT/Graphics designer. How did he become a builder overnight? Was there any training? Did he get competent people to cover his knowledge gap?

There are many people like that. Those that move from selling tiles/sanitary wares to become builder. Those that move from doing DSTV/CCTV installation to become electrical contractors. Those that move from making windows/doors to becoming builders.

It is right to follow your passion (Spyder did). There is however the need to acquire the necessary skill or competencies. Alternatively, employ those with such skills and competencies to work with you.

Reality is that we have many 'quacks' masquerading as professionals and people get carried away with their 'packaging' or relatively 'cheap' quote. Professionals come at a premium. If you make decisions purely on 'price' you are likely to end up with quacks. That's why lowest bidder is not necessary the right person for the job.

The other problem is that some people just lack integrity. They are money driven! Unfortunately it is difficult to discover such until they show their true colors. God help us!

So true

InvertedHammer:

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It is obvious that it is not about cost. They are just intimidated by the prospect of delving into new areas that evidently offer cheaper alternatives. One good job will yield referrals that will offset cost of tools in due time. They are hiding under costs to mask their mental laziness. None of them has any iota of idea of what the cost is. They are simply intimidated by new things.

Like they say,"a bad workman quarrels with his tools". These ones haven't even tried the tools yet and they are already quarreling wih it. The safest bet is to stay away from folks like that while they pry their trade among fellow charlatans.

Don't be surprised that hslbroker is using akinolaolajide handle to suck in more victims. Both of them sound eerily same, but then only to the gullibles to the antics of scam artist. Talk is cheap.
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what will be your gain destroying fellow men, with false accusation, and none want to even want to try to understand that there so many things involve in construction management, that sometimes in all your effort at end even what you met on site that the owner of the site don't know and you even try your best to explain, they won't believe or try to understand, in all I gave to this community, in all my effort, you want to pay me back with blaccusation fasle accusation, how on earth you tagged me with the above handler, for what and in what, God alone can forgive u.