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amanikondo:


When i did NYSC in the eastern part of Naija, if we go to the market for example with 1K we will get little food stuff but if you sent the indigene with the same amount of money, we get plenty stuff.Since we got to know this, we just send Fire Pikin To Fire.

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akinolaolujide:

My opinions are strictly to construction cos you can easily avoid being cheated if you follow the right channel in doing things that is what am saying. Doing you know good Architect can give u possible cost implication of various stages of works and materials needed?. That is if you cant employ a QS. U can even hire them on consulltancy bases when u need expert opinions. Most of you believe in the trades men more than these professionals. Becos you believe its cheaper no to involve them, because all this isuess they went to school. And all these people can be reported to their professional bodies and even license seized if needs be. Not one person who does not belong to anybody and is for nobody. As long as clients seek shortcuts and do it myself attitude this wahala not go end the criminals go just discover new methods.
As for the fuel pump thieve u should have reported him and made sure him and his manager are delt with. By not reporting you are encouraging them.

Enough of this your they can't pay or do the right thing, follow the right channel, engage the right professionals stuff.

With MSc in Architecture you shouldn't be advertising yourself or advocating for jobs here on Nairaland. Go for real jobs and leave us 'can't pay cockroaches' to keep looking for awoof consultancy here.

Your likes drew the Taj Mahal, Empire State Building, and some of the magnificent state of the art buildings dotted the world over.

MSc Architects 'your type on high horses' I must add, if an insurmountable credentials as you're claiming here surely has no business trolling here for jobs.

Just go through your post to appreciate how subtle condescending you've been yet claims to be a high pedestal professional.

You want kobo kobo builders to employ the services of an Architect, QS, Civil Engineer, Electrical Engineer, Project Manager, Builder, so that these professionals can now go ahead to employ the serservices of tradesmen and artisans for the same single 5 or 4 or 3 Bedroom project or else we as kobo kobo builders (Hajji M, abeg) shouldnt complain of shoddy job or fraud.

We can go and employ all these people for simple family homes so that when we graduate to start our industrial complexes and spiral plaza we will by then employ God, Gods and Angels to handle them.

Give us a break!

Spyder888 is neither an Architect nor an Engineer yet he produces, and reproduces elegant buildings after buildings and still dishes out valuable and beneficial suggestions, advise and general information on building to the overwhelming admiration of most of us.
Please!!!

akinolaolujide:
How does one post PDF on this forum lemme send a copy of the condition of engagement to the group.

PDF

Mayor78:


With MSc in Architecture you shouldn't be advertising yourself or advocating for jobs here on Nairaland. Go for real jobs and leave us 'can't pay cockroaches' to keep looking for awoof consultancy here.

Your likes drew the Taj Mahal, Empire State Building, and some of the magnificent state of the art buildings dotted the world over.

MSc Architects 'your type on high horses' I must add, if an insurmountable credentials as you're claiming here surely has no business trolling here for jobs.


Please!!!

Well Said Sir Mayor.

olumide4christ:


Truly...people can never appreciate what a professional goes through in 1- getting educated and 2- qualifying as a professional, until they take out time to understand what such processes involve.
Only then can professionals be better appreciated, engaged and remunerated adequately.

Absolutely true

I greet you all. It is the stage when the frames for the internal doors (36 doors in total) in my building need installing. I got the following quote. Is it reasonable or am I being taking for ride? Thank you

Mayor78:


Enough of this your they can't pay or do the right thing, follow the right channel, engage the right professionals stuff.

With MSc in Architecture you shouldn't be advertising yourself or advocating for jobs here on Nairaland. Go for real jobs and leave us 'can't pay cockroaches' to keep looking for awoof consultancy here.

Your likes drew the Taj Mahal, Empire State Building, and some of the magnificent state of the art buildings dotted the world over.

MSc Architects 'your type on high horses' I must add, if an insurmountable credentials as you're claiming here surely has no business trolling here for jobs.

Just go through your post to appreciate how subtle condescending you've been yet claims to be a high pedestal professional.

You want kobo kobo builders to employ the services of an Architect, QS, Civil Engineer, Electrical Engineer, Project Manager, Builder, so that these professionals can now go ahead to employ the serservices of tradesmen and artisans for the same single 5 or 4 or 3 Bedroom project or else we as kobo kobo builders (Hajji M, abeg) shouldnt complain of shoddy job or fraud.

We can go and employ all these people for simple family homes so that when we graduate to start our industrial complexes and spiral plaza we will by then employ God, Gods and Angels to handle them.

Give us a break!

Spyder888 is neither an Architect nor an Engineer yet he produces, and reproduces elegant buildings after buildings and still dishes out valuable and beneficial suggestions, advise and general information on building to the overwhelming admiration of most of us.
Please!!!

Mr mayor lols u amaze me. Okay lets take from the start when i hot here my intentions here to advertise, very clear but when i saw peoples attitude towards building and construction in general i had to pause and really understand the issues alot of people coming to complain about quality of work this quality of work dat these people are loosing hard earned cash. The question is why is all this happening cos people are willing to take direct risk over artisans some are paying off eell many others we all know the story. There is what is called supervisory responsibilities those in bank and other multinationals will know that. Those are the roles of these people i ave not said give your jobs to them. All have said is these people know more about the construction process than you do and will ensure you get value for every kobo kobo kobo you are spending. Please building is a serious project you people will not know how serious it is until (God forbid) one gets a collapsed building . Wisdom is profitable to guild nothing is caste in stone you can have these guys present without emptying you pocket all naaahhh . All is wisdom explain well to them. Oga take time read and you will have better dealings with Architects and other professionals . If you want to spend 15-20million on a project you better spend them wisely so that you wont have regrets. Its a beautiful morning here and its not a time to lash out. Peace to you my brother.
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Dont wait until you are rich enough before you start doing the right. You all want naija to be great then i believe you understand what must be done .

Mayor78:


Enough of this your they can't pay or do the right thing, follow the right channel, engage the right professionals stuff.

With MSc in Architecture you shouldn't be advertising yourself or advocating for jobs here on Nairaland. Go for real jobs and leave us 'can't pay cockroaches' to keep looking for awoof consultancy here.

Your likes drew the Taj Mahal, Empire State Building, and some of the magnificent state of the art buildings dotted the world over.

MSc Architects 'your type on high horses' I must add, if an insurmountable credentials as you're claiming here surely has no business trolling here for jobs.

Just go through your post to appreciate how subtle condescending you've been yet claims to be a high pedestal professional.

You want kobo kobo builders to employ the services of an Architect, QS, Civil Engineer, Electrical Engineer, Project Manager, Builder, so that these professionals can now go ahead to employ the serservices of tradesmen and artisans for the same single 5 or 4 or 3 Bedroom project or else we as kobo kobo builders (Hajji M, abeg) shouldnt complain of shoddy job or fraud.

We can go and employ all these people for simple family homes so that when we graduate to start our industrial complexes and spiral plaza we will by then employ God, Gods and Angels to handle them.

Give us a break!

Spyder888 is neither an Architect nor an Engineer yet he produces, and reproduces elegant buildings after buildings and still dishes out valuable and beneficial suggestions, advise and general information on building to the overwhelming admiration of most of us.
Please!!!

the question would be have you fully weighed your risks?

most artisans and builders have learned by rote [ie by observing others] the same goes for the electricians , plumbers etc.
what this means is that as long as your build characteristics are similar to the last 15 jobs they did, you should be alright.
but the moment you have something different [ odd soil conditions, multiple storeys etc] you may find your project in trouble. because then you are moving completely outside your builder's comfort zone and he has no idea how to tackle the problem. you are then in trial and error land.

also, unless you have building experience/knowledge , you will not be able to track the issues. issues like shoddy carpentry for roofing should be captured at the start, not at the finish when it is too late.

you can make the argument that your small house does not need technical expertise, but you are the one who will live in it and cope with all the issues that come with poorly planned /supervised work.

just about every contractor is greedy and will cut corners if he is unsupervised or working with a client that is ignorant. even people who i recommend and respect have repeatedly disappointed me . you find that if you are not preset on site, and you don't have a very smart or aggressive representative, the contractors will start dong ogboju. [ oga approved this smart db over abb/legrand db; we do not need additional pipe for cctv, one pipe for all cables is enough;no need to compact in layers; ]

some people are very smart and can quickly pick up the basic principles without degrees etal. others are not. i have a guy with an it degree who we have engaged as an electrical contractor. the man does fair work, but it is clear to me that he is not the brains of his operation. is that a problem - yes it is.

there is no real answer, since it can be very well argued that nigeria being nigeria, not all professionals bring any value, and some are only there for their own cut [collect settlment from builder before approval]


the engagement of quacks is not just limited to residential builds, its everywhere. lagos state has recently ordered that all tubular communication masts be removed and replaced with angle iron masts [these are less susceptible to corrosion ]

the root of the issue - small scale telecoms providers and contractors , rather than engage professionals to design proper masts , engaged the 'experienced' artisans etal, who fabricated masts that 'can do the work' , but will not last anything beyond 2-3 years, and which may fall in a heavy storm [after sufficient corrosion]. now alot of companies are spending money on new masts.

same principle. a lot of your builders etal can give you a finsihed building, but is it a sustainable one, or will you find your self correcting defects over the lifetime of your occupation?

in the end , to each his own.

rabcnesbit:
I greet you all. It is the stage when the frames for the internal doors (36 doors in total) in my building need installing. I got the following quote. Is it reasonable or am I being taking for ride? Thank you

That quote will translate to N11,600 per frame which could be more. Now does the quote include architrave and final polish? What's the make of the wood? Mahogany? Give more details if you may but door frames should not be more than 5k abeg.

Normally is cost per frame so you should not worry yourself with the nitty gritty of the materials.

erico2k2:

Rigging in Scalford in is a term used for putting up poles . Ie joining them together just as riggers do in oil wells.I'm hoping U get the gist

Thanks. I never know that there is a rigging term in scaffolding. I always know rigging as the movement of load using mechanical systems. Thanks for the explanation.

Guys some youths came to where I was developing and asked me to pay 'development levy' of N300,000. After negotiations they brought it down to N150,000. I am still skeptical about this amount if that is what is obtainable in other places. Kindly advice. Thank you.

Spy360:
Guys some youths came to where I was developing and asked me to pay 'development levy' of N300,000. After negotiations they brought it down to N150,000. I am still skeptical about this amount if that is what is obtainable in other places. Kindly advice. Thank you.

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ANBAKO:



Thanks. I never know that there is a rigging term in scaffolding. I always know rigging as the movement of load using mechanical systems. Thanks for the explanation.

I was surprised to hear you say that, anyway may not be what you familiar with. Here license is require with many occupation safety operating procedure just to put them up, in addition to building department safety officer inspection, then approver before any worker could clamp it. With this information you have little idea how its work. Some time one just need to be salient and watch some of those that called them self professional on paper, with know clue of operational safety procedure.

Spy360:
Guys some youths came to where I was developing and asked me to pay 'development levy' of N300,000. After negotiations they brought it down to N150,000. I am still skeptical about this amount if that is what is obtainable in other places. Kindly advice. Thank you.

You first have to do your research and confirm if they are the real community shot callers /leaders. If not every Tom dick and Harry will be shaking you down.

kopell:
I was surprised to hear you say that, anyway may not be what you familiar with. Here license is require with many occupation safety operating procedure just to put them up, in addition to building department safety officer inspection, then approver before any worker could clamp it. With this information you have little idea how its work. Some time one just need to be salient and watch some of those that called them self professional on paper, with know clue of operational safety procedure.

I don't understand what you are driving at. In every normal society, license/certification/education is required to perform regularized professions. what gives you the wrong impression that I don't know how it works?

I guess you are mistaking me for someone else.

Firstly, I am not a builder and I never claimed that. Secondly in my own area of engineering, we have a different procedure for scaffold installation, certification and inspection.

Lastly, I only asked a question about relationship between scaffolding and riggers which someone answered. This is because in my line, riggers are people who plan, sling, dog and analyze loads to be lifted by a mechanical system.

No need to be systematically insultive on a faceless forum because of nothing!!!

oyb:


You first have to do your research and confirm if they are the real community shot callers /leaders. If not every Tom dick and Harry will be shaking you down.

What I did was select an emissary from the thugs, a senior leader. And it's who I use to deal with the other s.

It's not foolproof.

diordaves:

Where?

Owerri, Imo state.

oyb:


You first have to do your research and confirm if they are the real community shot callers /leaders. If not every Tom dick and Harry will be shaking you down.

Thanks. I actually did that and confirmed. Infact, I called a general meeting of all the youths.

What I want to find out is if the amount is OK. Why would someone chop my money like that? E dey pain me.

ANBAKO:


I don't understand what you are driving at. In every normal society, license/certification/education is required to perform regularized professions. what gives you the wrong impression that I don't know how it works?

I guess you are mistaking me for someone else.

Firstly, I am not a builder and I never claimed that. Secondly in my own area of engineering, we have a different procedure for scaffold installation, certification and inspection.

Lastly, I only asked a question about relationship between scaffolding and riggers which someone answered. This is because in my line, riggers are people who plan, sling, dog and analyze loads to be lifted by a mechanical system.

No need to be systematically insultive on a faceless forum because of nothing!!!

Did you read what I wrote carefully, it not about insulting you or anybody its about simple safety model of procedure many so call professional over look or ignored everyday in our society, glad to know you're an engineer. Many think when one is behind faceless forum especially diasporas, the thought we are cleaners etc. let us all get together and make our society a better place.

Spy360:

Thanks. I actually did that and confirmed. Infact, I called a general meeting of all the youths.

What I want to find out is if the amount is OK. Why would someone chop my money like that? E dey pain me.

That is how it is in some areas my brother, u just have to pay so u can continue with your building. Even some places in benin, u will have to pay for foundation, roof...u pay for almost every stages of the building. But i heard the new Oba has put an end to it.. Just hope it works...

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diordaves:


That quote will translate to N11,600 per frame which could be more. Now does the quote include architrave and final polish? What's the make of the wood? Mahogany? Give more details if you may but door frames should not be more than 5k abeg.

Normally is cost per frame so you should not worry yourself with the nitty gritty of the materials.

Thank you for your response. Will go and find out more info as you suggested. By the way, forgot to mention the location is Ota in Ogun State

Spy360:

Thanks. I actually did that and confirmed. Infact, I called a general meeting of all the youths.

What I want to find out is if the amount is OK. Why would someone chop my money like that? E dey pain me.

No let am pain you. It is what it is. Normally, there is no set rule or "standard" price for protection money AKA Development Levy. But the rate will always reflect the cultural dynamics of the place with regards to economic contribution of the locality to the national cake. The level of contribution the locality contributes to the national cake without commensurate or visible development, the more the youths are restless with mega self-entitlement; the more the youths will demand in development money. The youths in Niger Delta will command more development levy than the youths in for example Kwara or the youths in Onitsha will command more to Mbaise.

Another price determinant is the level of infrastructure of the locality. If the locality is fully built or near fully built the youths will ask for more. So talk to your neighbours and ask around, you will be better informed if 150k is good or you need to do more with diplomacy and bargaining. One thing is certain, pay but pay the right group. I've witnessed N1m development levy in Niger Delta. Did I pay? What do you think.........

HazzanTazzan:
Ermm... Has the prices of tiles still not gone down even after dollar crashed from 520 to 370 ?
Cc @EgunMogaji ... My friend
Cc @ Anbako

I haven't purchased any in recent but will next month so I'll find out.

EgunMogaji:


I haven't purchased any in recent but will next month so I'll find out.

Next month ? We are already in a new month today ...

Na that price wey skyrocket dey delay me o

HazzanTazzan:


Next month ? We are already in a new month today ...

Na that price wey skyrocket dey delay me o

Yah next month. You know, even though it drives some folks up the wall on here, but I do have a method, schedule, and process to my build that I follow

Hope you find the right tiles and at palatable prices. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do during these times.

Spy360:
Guys some youths came to where I was developing and asked me to pay 'development levy' of N300,000. After negotiations they brought it down to N150,000. I am still skeptical about this amount if that is what is obtainable in other places. Kindly advice. Thank you.

Just as you have already been advised, it is paramount you establish that you are dealing with the right group ('omo nile'), else you end up being approached by different groups looking to extort. The amount is determinable by the area, how greedy the extortionist are etc Be prepared to pay more eventually as I will be damned if this will be their final demand, as their modus operandi is to demand at every stage of the building work - foundation, decking, roofing, plastering etc They are no different to the likes of the Italian Mafia, Chinese Triads, Russian Mafia etc protection racketeers! As a comparable, I paid 250k for foundation and 240k for decking for mine in Sango Ota, and waiting to be slapped with further demands!!!

diordaves:


That quote will translate to N11,600 per frame which could be more. Now does the quote include architrave and final polish? What's the make of the wood? Mahogany? Give more details if you may but door frames should not be more than 5k abeg.

Normally is cost per frame so you should not worry yourself with the nitty gritty of the materials.

Hello. He says the wood is malina, includes final polish, and the 'plyanning sawing and moling' (to be done at the saw mill) is for the architrave. One thing want to know in particular is that does he need 2 pieces of 2 x 12 x 12 wood per frame as quoted? Thanks

rabcnesbit:


Hello. He says the wood is malina, includes final polish, and the 'plyanning sawing and moling' (to be done at the saw mill) is for the architrave. One thing want to know in particular is that does he need 2 pieces of 2 x 12 x 12 wood per frame as quoted? Thanks

If it includes the final finish and the laite work for the architrave, then 7k per frame is good. But this is average price. It may be more depending on the sophistication of your build. The truth is tradesmen will invoice you relative to the level of finish you are aiming for. So if you're putting up a cut and join kind of build, tradesmen will tend to invoice you less. I'm currently putting together my wooden doors in Warri Delta State for Mahogany wood, the cost is just under 8k per frame finish and to hang the doors is 3.7k per door.

So ask if your 11k includes hanging. I will advice you do it per frame. Don't bother with material, deliver frame as specified at say 9k finish.

Now does he need two pieces per frame? The answer is no and yes. So ask for the drawings​, labelling and measurements of the frame and everything will become clearer.