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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:30pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Joebie:Keshi's defense to 2014 WC how many had previous WC experience? The Senegal team that reached the 2002 WC Quarter final, how many had WC experience? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 4:31pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Joebie: Not discounting experience in any way. Just stating that having a competition specific experience is not more important than the quality of the teams paraded. Your last line however suggests that world cup winning experience is the reason only a few teams have been winning the world cup. I don't agree with that as none of the winning players since that same 1998 had ever played in a world cup winning team before their triumphs. I agree that experience is valuable, but only when form is present. I also accept that we would probably have beaten Italy with more experience on our side |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:37pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
You can't buy experience.. it comes with time.. For now they look like our best option. Grade A international friendlies will be very helpful. Icon4s: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 4:37pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
tglobal:Did u remember Chidi Nwanu went Seoul 88,this was d period National team played Olympic not U23.Nwanu at that time had a great experience at home and very advanced in age before moving to Beveren and later Anderlecht,USA 94 was like a normal tournament for him. Sometimes major tournament count as experience to some players but to some their club experience can withstand any tournament.Taribo may not have Afcon experience before France 98 but his club experience was enough to play in any tourney. Truly our CB needs cohesiveness and understanding but i believe with time d CB w blend.Truth must be told d CB are not yet there but with time they w go places. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:38pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
my last words says "PARTLY experience". Same reason why you said we would have probably beaten Italy. At least you get my point. tglobal: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:40pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
how far did Senegal go? How far did Nigeria go at the World Cup? You seem not to get my point.. maybe you need to read my comment again. Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:46pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
tglobal: I have studied teams who have made it to the later stages of the world cup in the last 8years and I came to the conclusion that you need experience in the heart of the defence. That diamond that is the Gk, CBs and Dm is the most important unit in a championship winning side. This unit could have been solidified if we had played a major tournament since 2014. Unfortunately we haven't and this is a little bit of a handicap. Its not about the personel but about the unit. Talking about Chidi Nwanu, you do realise we had an experienced Rufai in goal, Okechukwu and Sunday Olise. It is not am unstable unit at all. Most people do not realise, we had a great chance of winning the world cup in 1994. Our defence shipping in 2 goals after we had gone 1 goal up, against a 10 man Italian team was a huge let down. Imagine the scenario if we had won that game, we would have played an underachieving Spanish team in the quarter finals. The same Spaniards we won in 1998 with a below ebb squad. In the semi finals, we would have faced our side kicks, Bulgaria. The same Bulgarian team we won 3:0 in the first game. In the finals, we could have faced Brazil. The same Brazilian team a squad of part timers that was the USA held to a goalless draw. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:56pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
We simply dont have experienced defenders. But we should build the team with that in mind -- Hence, grade A friendlies. Inexperienced forwards can score against big teams. But you need experienced and well tested defenders to protect the lead, because Big teams are highly tactical and come up with different tricks when down. goldfish80: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 5:01pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
goldfish80:Yea u are on point,not being in Afcon didn't make Nwanu inexperienced coz d same Nwanu was at Sroul 88.I can tell anybody that Nwanu was more experienced than Okechucwu and Olishe when it comes to football though he did not make any Afcon coz of Stephen Keshi's form.He made US 94 coz of Keshi poor form and injury which was glaring at Afcon 94. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:09pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Joebie: This is what u were supposed to say all along. They are best option for now. That's why i earlier said we need to continue playing them to attain cohesion. Not only Grade A international friendlies. These our WC qualifying group games are even more testing than international friendlies. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:12pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Kog45: That is my point. Experience in the game helps u to cope at any given level. Nt jst only WC experience. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danycrusoe(m): 5:14pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: if u think the controversial calls are out of error which every human is poor too then y is the referees in the lower league doing their thing with little or less error and as well as less controversies. Apart that if referees are making mistakes every now and then, the LMC should find a criteria which will make only the best referees in the country who has or pass the criteria to be the ones to be at the centre of the matches n not just anyow person. furthermore I think the fans and the players' descipline has increased and improved this season because if not we would v had incessant crowd troubles with the inconsistencies and poor call we v had. Remo stars were cheated in Ibadan against 3sc, Rivers also were cheated in Gombe and their players all showed professionalism by moving on with the games |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 5:14pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Kog45: @Kog 45 You just proved the crux of my post: You shouldn't be considered inexperienced because you never played in a big tournament. This was the reason I mentioned Taribo West 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:18pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
goldfish80: The last sentence in ur 2nd paragraph underlines my point. It is not about the personnel but the unit. That is why i give kudos to Rohr. He understands this fact and so has maintained a fairly similar backline even in a friendly where people were expecting all kinds of experiments The key here is cohesiveness and playing as a unit. This will really help the team even if the CB do not have a WC or tournament experience. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:23pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Kog45: Olympic football has always been for the U23. Good points though. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:31pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: 100% Can't see any issues. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:33pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: As it stands they are about the best we have. But let's not deceived ourselves none of them is anyway near top class. Good yes but that's about it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:33pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Kog45, you just took me back memory lane with that mention of Seoul '88 team. A team that had players like: Chidi Nwanu, Austin Eguavoen, Silvanus Okpala, Ademola Adeshina, Emeka Ezeugo, Samuel Okwaraji, Osaro Obobaifo, Dominic Iorfa, Andrew Uweh, Samson Siasia, Rashidi Yekini among others. And got trashed by Brazil, Yugoslavia and Australia. What really went wrong I cant fathom till date. In ur opinion what really went wrong with that stars studded team? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:34pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
EXCLUSIVE: How Ezekiel Bassey bombed 1 million Euros Barcelona deal SCORENigeria has gathered more details why Enyimba forward Ezekiel Bassey will not be offered a contract that would have fetched Enyimba over a million Euros from mighty Barcelona at the end of his much-celebrated loan move to Spain. Bassey, nicknamed ‘Hazard’ by Enyimba fans after the Chelsea star, has failed to impress with Barcelona ‘B’ during his loan spell at the Catalan giants. Despite joining Barca second team without any trials, he did not impress in training but the deal breaker was his below-par performance for Barcelona B in an international friendly against a Zambian team. “Bassey is not Barcelona standard and those who recommended him to the club do not know football,” a top source told only SCORENigeria in sheer frustration. “He did not measure up during the friendly match he played for them and even in training he has failed to impress. “He has now blocked more deserving Nigerian players from Barcelona.” SCORENigeria was reliably informed Enyimba stood to be richer by a million Euros had Bassey been given a contract in the summer. It was further understood that his residence papers will come through, but after what he has showed on the pitch, the papers will no longer be necessary. Bassey, who has already debuted for the Super Eagles, was to have been offered a permanent deal had he impressed at the end of his loan spell in the summer. http://scorenigeria.com.ng/2017/04/05/exclusive-how-ezekiel-bassey-bombed-1-million-euros-barcelona-deal/ |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:36pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
komekn: No wahala but we'll continue scouting as we are in a building process. But for now until we see better replacements they need to play more together to attain cohesion |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:38pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
komekn:Ok. Time will tell. Dnt say i didnt raise concerns abt it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:39pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: Unfortunately we don't have any centre backs playing in the top teams and or have played in the Champions league. Top players get eventually into top teams consider Ndidi not even one complete season in the EPL and he is a target for the big clubs in the premiership already. That is a reflection of quality. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:42pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
komekn: Dnt worry, after a fantastic 2018 WC showing our CB would be considered in big clubs. And by 2022 WC we'll have CBs that play both in big clubs and with WC experience. Hahahaha! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:45pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: The only issue that can impede it is NFF incompetence. It does not take long at all. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:45pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: Ambrose possibly yes he is having a resurgence in his carrier after being frozen out by Brendan he will soon get his Scottish nationality and that means no more work permit issues. Which means he could be in the EPL next season. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:50pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
goldfish80: To be honest and objective Enyeama is the best goalkeeper in Africa or at least one of the top 3 in Africa. The calls for him are clearly justified and the abysmal way he was treated by Oliseh is simply atrocious. With regard to Omeruo he is far from great but he is among the best we have for now. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:51pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Well the qualifiers, yes and No. While international friendlies may not be a true test, it adds another dimension to their experience. I always like to ask, what will give us an edge over other teams? If we do the average, we should not expect big results in the long term. Most teams are also in the qualifying round and they will be working on building a cohesive unit as well. Hence, we should always be on the look for better players. Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:53pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
komekn: Ambrose is currently playing in the Scottish Championship though. That is probably equivalent to league 1 or 2 in England. Does he still have the legs for the EPL? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:56pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
tbaba1234: The NFF. That is my point. I wont say much. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 5:57pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Icon4s: With respect these guys are not playing for Bayern, Real, PSG, Chelsea or any of the big boys. They are simply not top class. However, it is seemingly the best we have. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:02pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
Joebie: See my brother, no Grade A friendly can be as testing as playing Cameroun in Uyo and 4 days later playing them in Younde. Also playing Zambia in Uyo and going to face Algeria in Blida. These 4 fixtures are tougher than so many WC games already. Friendlies are what they are: 'friendlies'. These these 4 WC qualifiers battles are what they are: 'Battles'. I am not ruling out friendlies but what IMO opinion will toughen that defense more are those 4 WC qualifying battles including the games against SA. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:04pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
komekn: Yes. We have come to a safe landing in that. |
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