Gyalchester:


Look at the way you are hyping yourself, Papa Elamps for Ballondor 2018

elampiro:


Not every goal attempt is a shooting accuracy in the context I speak. There are times you just make attempts for the sake of that is logical to do under the circumstance. But what I mean is shooting particularly from outside the box or just inside it after the way is clear to hit target with a powerful shot, either curly it or hitting a rocket. Nani mostly balloon from there while Ronaldo, Robben and Messi mostly hit target from such clear shooting position.

randomperson:

This is not true... For shots outside the box, Ronaldo has a terrible shot accuracy.. The reason he scores or used to score a lot of them was because he played a lot of them... In fact he played three times the number of shots an average player will play per match

elampiro:


So between Ronaldo and Nani, who would you choose to score for you from a clear position at the edge of the box assuming the next marker is 3 yards away. Not freekicks.

randomperson:

I will choose Ronaldo but that doesn't change the fact that statistically Ronaldo 's accuracy percentage is lower than that of others... That's the hard fact... The construction of the facts is another matter entirely

randomperson:

I will choose Ronaldo but that doesn't change the fact that statistically Ronaldo 's accuracy percentage is lower than that of others... That's the hard fact... The construction of the facts is another matter entirely

SIRcumalot:

definitely should rest our guys in these game to go for the Europa.
we already messed up this top 4 finish.

bykebyke:
Jose Mourinho says he prefers 10 draws to 5 wins and 5 defeats, as "it shows you are quite mentally solid".









Jose Mourinho in 2014.

elampiro:
The thing is even if Quaresma or Nani trained as hard as Ronaldo, they wouldn't be as good. Do you know Ibrahimovic train very hard, if not hander than Ronaldo?

Rafael Da Silva was said to trained like a beast according to Ferguson. He spent more hours training alone after everyone had gone. But Rafael has never been the best right back in football, not even his league.

It is not the people who train most that are the most talented. Talent/skills is partly natural and partly gotten from training. It is what your brain and body inherited permanently from training that makes your talent.

In other words, talent is something that sits permanently in your brain and body, but mostly in your brain. Once there you don't force it, you just do things like you were born with it. You become consistent. But the untalented person forces things and get things right once in a long while.

raumdeuter:


I believe if Quaresma is as driven as Ronaldo or trained as hard as Ronaldo he will be as good. Nani isnt as talented as both of them.

I have read that Ronaldo doesnt drink or smoke some said he doesnt even have tattooes. To find a footballer that focused on his career is hard .
In football hardly have I seen anyone that focused. Ronaldo had the build of Neymar before or even darkrebel, but look at what he looks like now, He trained his shooting, trained his heading, he reduced his dribbles and fan entertainment. He started doing things that are more productive and left those useless take-on that make fans shout

Ronaldo is talented but he isnt the most talented footballer we have ever seen, He might not even make top 10 in talent but now he is in conversation of who is the greatest of all time due to his hard work

lordfalcao:
you made a point.. It is hard to find a footballer as focused as c.ronaldo..

Quersma has the same talent with Ronaldo but lackadaisical attitude killed off his game. I think he is beginning to take football serious again...

raumdeuter:


Quaresma will be 34 this year. That is how you know unserious but talented footballers, they play some games you wonder if this is Maradona, and they play the rest of the season being average

raumdeuter:


I believe if Quaresma is as driven as Ronaldo or trained as hard as Ronaldo he will be as good. Nani isnt as talented as both of them.

I have read that Ronaldo doesnt drink or smoke some said he doesnt even have tattooes. To find a footballer that focused on his career is hard .
In football hardly have I seen anyone that focused. Ronaldo had the build of Neymar before or even darkrebel, but look at what he looks like now, He trained his shooting, trained his heading, he reduced his dribbles and fan entertainment. He started doing things that are more productive and left those useless take-on that make fans shout

Ronaldo is talented but he isnt the most talented footballer we have ever seen, He might not even make top 10 in talent but now he is in conversation of who is the greatest of all time due to his hard work

lordfalcao:
you made a point.. It is hard to find a footballer as focused as c.ronaldo..

Quersma has the same talent with Ronaldo but lackadaisical attitude killed off his game. I think he is beginning to take football serious again...

bykebyke:
Best defensive signing in the past decade.









If you think otherwise,use the door.

elampiro:


Lol. I believe I was actually very good but I was not awaken to what I could have done with it, or may be I realized late I should have taken some risk with football. People still run into me and tell me how good I used to play football. Even the people I have worked with have certain times run into people who told them 'that your colleague used to be a very good footballer'. I was really a good dribbler and I scored the highest goals by the miles in the two major training grounds I played, despite playing as a support striker (what is now called AMC). Even in my NYSC training team I was the highest scorer in trainings, but I played deep in midfield mid during matches because in our first match the ball wasn't coming out of the defence and we were struggling to cope. The guy who played there was also an AM, so I decided to swap positions with him because I had played there before in a similar circumstance. At the end people were calling me Sunday Oliseh, little did they know it was not even my position.

When I was a teenager, during live matches on TV, I will say I can do what these people are doing and I see nothing too special. Particularly those junior world cup.

The first day I saw Samuel Eto played football, I think it was 1998 or 2000 Nations Cup for Cameroon, I saw someone who played the way I play football, but I think I could dribble better even though I use mostly one leg. He wasn't playing with strength like African strikers - Yekini, Yeboa, Amokachie, etc. Even friends said "this is your kind of swift movements and drives in the opposition area. Why don't you still pursue football? " But I was already deep into academics.

But one thing about football is when you go higher, the speed and intensity become more and you are not able to do the things you did at your previous level. But I was able to play with fair and great expression at NYSC despite not playing much in the University, so may be if I pushed I could have succeeded. And people from my playing ground who were not considered talented even had to play for Nigeria professional league. Just only because they put football above their school.

elampiro:
Many trained harder than Ronaldo and still didn’t become a real talent.
One must train and develop ones latent talent to reach a world class talent. Quaresma, Ronaldo, Ahmed Musa are players who have done all the trainings they need to do in life, so when we discussed them, we should discuss what they are today (the skills they have acquired), not the ones they should have acquired.
Ronaldo has always been better built than Neymar. Ronaldo always had muscle and strong abs. He has always been fast and jump high for the ball. Even athleticism is not gotten at old age. In sports, everything you need to excel should have been part of you like 60% by age 16. By age 18 you should have had them by about 70%. Ronaldo wouldn't have just developed these qualities as an adult.
But before I deviate, we are not talking about latent talents of teenage footballers, but the talent these professional footballers have become.

Gyalchester:



What's our fvcking business who let this dog out of its kernel?

raumdeuter:


Quaresma will be 34 this year. That is how you know unserious but talented footballers, they play some games you wonder if this is Maradona, and they play the rest of the season being average

raumdeuter:


If you dont have the talent you cant train it, Ronaldo had the talent Quaresma had the talent. Ronaldo worker many times harder than Quaresma that is why he is considered one of the best ever, Ahmed Musa isnt on the same skill level as these players If Musa trains harder he might be a better player than say Quaresma but will never beat someone who had the talent and trains

Its like in academics, Some are brilliant, some study hard, The ultimate student is one who is naturally brilliant and now studies hard

bykebyke:
Jose Mourinho says he prefers 10 draws to 5 wins and 5 defeats, as "it shows you are quite mentally solid".









Jose Mourinho in 2014.

elampiro:
We have many like that in football, particularly those of them who have come from Brazil. Robinho, Denilson (is that his name?). Even Wright Phillips.

These guys were just pure limited. They reach world class today and become zero the rest of the season. Even such players as Hulk, Bellamy, Nani, used to reach world class status in some matches. How are you sure these guys don't train harder than Ronaldo?

In those days, when you go to Stadium in Nigeria, or some serious training ground, you will see footballers carrying weight or bag of cement while jogging, yet they were never world class.
...

Remember, this argument was about the finished product a footballer has become. The skills they have as an adult. So leave out development years because we don't know who could have been who with hard work.

Rooney could have been the best footballer this generation has seen with hardwork, Okocha could have been more consistent than Zidane with hardwork. These are mere theories. This argument is taking about actual talent and skills of adult footballers in their late 20s or 30s.

raumdeuter:


In their adult years they are already formed. Your talent is no longer consequaetial but your end product. No one will call Messi a talent now or Suarez their talents dont count again its their product that counts

When you are young what I evaluate as talent is
1. Your ball control,
2. How you carry/protect the ball i.e the ball must always be within your control not just kick the ball and chase it.
3 Is the ability to keep the ball in your control, LOOK UP to see others and release the ball on time,
4. Your confidence on the ball not just make e no spoil for my hand

When you look at a player like Messi, Ronaldo Quaresma Neymar Robinho etc from an early age they had this. That was why many scouts of top clubs were running around for their signature. Though some had it more than others, Messi you will see run 50meters and the ball would be like its glued to his leg. What will now matter is how much work they put into the talent, Some believe because they are better than their teamates they dont need to push themselves harder.

If you have all the above qualities at a high level by 17yrs all you need is discipline, watch your diet and train hard everyday, push yourself

All those guys carrying cement in training dont have the elite talent and no matter the hardwork you cant build talents just like you have some people who can read for 3yrs and still not understand because they don't have the native intelligence or that part of their brain is not developed

raumdeuter:


I believe if Quaresma is as driven as Ronaldo or trained as hard as Ronaldo he will be as good. Nani isnt as talented as both of them.

I have read that Ronaldo doesnt drink or smoke some said he doesnt even have tattooes. To find a footballer that focused on his career is hard .
In football hardly have I seen anyone that focused. Ronaldo had the build of Neymar before or even darkrebel, but look at what he looks like now, He trained his shooting, trained his heading, he reduced his dribbles and fan entertainment. He started doing things that are more productive and left those useless take-on that make fans shout

Ronaldo is talented but he isnt the most talented footballer we have ever seen, He might not even make top 10 in talent but now he is in conversation of who is the greatest of all time due to his hard work

elampiro:


talent
ˈtalənt/
noun
1.
natural aptitude or skill.
"he possesses more talent than any other player"
synonyms: flair, aptitude, facility, gift, knack, technique, touch, bent, ability, expertise, capacity, power, faculty; strength, strong point, forte, genius, brilliance; dexterity, adroitness, skill, cleverness, virtuosity, artistry
.....


If you said Usain Bolt is talented what do you mean? It meant he mastered the acts of his 'trade' from practice over the years to the level it became part of him. He is able to do it with flair, with ease, effortlssly and constantly.

Same is with Ronaldo, Messi, Robben, etc. The football is in their brains, their brain captured faster the practice they had over the years. It is sitted their in their brain. They don't have to think for two seconds to make an intelligent decision. They have mastered their act of trade that they are able to carry it out with so much flair, effortlessly and consistently.

Even in academic field, it is not people who read hardest and longest that have the highest scores, it is those who master the techniques of a subject most.

lekkie073:

when u have d talent u need little training to excel in what u do. messi's football at age 9 and when he started winning d world best are not different. what u see him do now, he has been doing it on d pitch before his teenage years.... dribbling people to fall down like boateng, scoring free kicks, destroying a full defense line up to score. that's talent. it come naturally as d definition u posted.