otemanuduno:


now you're talking, unlike when you started with 'the kingdom of god is at hand! repent!' This is how we roll on nairaland here, not by threats.

FYI, your history is just 2000yrs and it is even a false history. The true history since over 4 billion years is here: THE DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

I don't do threats sweetheart, I say it as it is: only the predestined elect will come to Jesus and be saved, that's the wish of their creator not mine , and if he sends them strong delusion to believe a lie I'm perfectly fine with it, just as if he grants them grace to believe. God took the time to create ants that can be crushed without warning and he can decide to create a hardhearted human unwilling or incapable of enlightenment.
Your ongoing epistle may interest those still searching for truth, not me. But when you consequential enough people might accept to study your position for the fun of it. Still not me. Meanwhile good luck with that ... Though it seems you're not really an unbeliever like you earlier said, you believe in some deity, so you may wish to edit that part.

analice107:

U get time o. You dey respond to this person.

Well dear I accord all due respect. At least he took the time to read and comment on my thread.

newbornmacho:

I don't do threats sweetheart, I say it as it is: only the predestined elect will come to Jesus and be saved, that's the wish of their creator not mine , and if he sends them strong delusion to believe a lie I'm perfectly fine with it, just as if he grants them grace to believe. God took the time to create ants that can be crushed without warning and he can decide to create a hardhearted human unwilling or incapable of enlightenment.
Your ongoing epistle may interest those still searching for truth, not me. But when you consequential enough people might accept to study your position for the fun of it. Still not me. Meanwhile good luck with that ... Though it seems you're not really an unbeliever like you earlier said, you believe in some deity, so you may wish to edit that part.

Mine is not about belief, it's about knowing. I know some deity, not I believe in them. So instead of using the word 'believer' for myself, I'd rather say I'm a knower. Why, because I know not believe.

May the light of God the Universe quickly come ur path to help you to the path of truth.

analice107:

U get time o. You dey respond to this person.

I know ppl like you would want Xtianity to stay so that you and your 419 friend Samuel Ekweme can keep duping the maga(sheep). Nature will catch up with you guys someday.

otemanuduno:


Mine is not about belief, it's about knowing. I know some deity, not I believe in them. So instead of using the word 'believer' for myself, I'd rather say I'm a knower. Why, because I know not believe.

May the light of God the Universe quickly come ur path to help you to the path of truth.

Believe it or not, I actually appreciate your rejoinders, I honestly think you are entitled to whatever illumination or discombobulation you find yourself in. I'm a firm believer in destiny , and I see no hope for anybody God himself has abandoned to his delusions. I have no interest in trying to save the unsave-able , God decides who to illuminate and who to inter in confusion. Whatever side you find yourself on, you have God to thank (or curse). I am eternally grateful for the light of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and I don't have any problems enjoying his grace even if others are not that fortunate.

newbornmacho:

Well dear I accord all due respect. At least he took the time to read and comment on my thread.

I see. It doesn't matter whether it's on my thread or anywhere else, i don't respond to that person, its like responding to a Camel.

newbornmacho:

Believe it or not, I actually appreciate your rejoinders, I honestly think you are entitled to whatever illumination or discombobulation you find yourself in. I'm a firm believer in destiny , and I see no hope for anybody God himself has abandoned to his delusions. I have no interest in trying to save the unsave-able , God decides who to illuminate and who to inter in confusion. Whatever side you find yourself on, you have God to thank (or curse). I am eternally grateful for the light of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and I don't have any problems enjoying his grace even if others are not that fortunate.

okay. I'm happy u don't want denomination anymore. That's how it starts. As long as their wouldn't be tithe paid to d men of thieves and Yahweh d god of thieves, I like that

analice107:

I see. It doesn't matter whether it's on my thread or anywhere else, i don't respond to that person, its like responding to a Camel.

Newbornmacho don't mind her o. Religion apart, Analice107 here is a 419 offline. Samuel Ekweme aka 4evergod is his 419 partner. She's running away from us right now because his Co-thief has just duped someone of millions of naira again.

newbornmacho:

Thank you. Denominationalism is used here to depict both the denominationalization and institutionalization of the christian faith which resulted in groups that have developed an acculturated rather than a spirit led Christianity.
In my view the origins are very early in the history of our faith, when men designed worship protocols, systems and structures. These structures outlived the good spirit and intentions of the pioneers and became ritualized.
Thats the life history of any group formed by men around these truths. They fossilize and become tombs harbouring the dead revivals of yesteryears.

Sorry dear but rituals didnt cause denominations, it was differing opinions ie heresy that brought them.

newbornmacho:

Yes I think there was. I think a close reading if the bible, particularly the Acts of the apostles reveals two streams of action coexisting side by side.there was the spirit led stream of action where the holy spirit virtually micromanaged the fledgling Christian movement. Telling them where to go, and who to meet and so on. An example is Philip the evangelist.
Then there was the man-led stream of action where men decided how to go by a combination of guesswork, popular vote, and natural logic. Examples abound as in the Jerusalem council of Acts 14, selection of apostle Matthias, etc. This continued into the later centuries with the human stream winning more people, and using their influence to spread their own narrative. A narrative which has resulted in a deeply human arrangement now called church. There was always an alternative. The spirit led way was our alternative.

All d cases above are works of the spirits what is ur issue with d council in jerusaleM

Ubenedictus:
Sorry dear but rituals didnt cause denominations, it was differing opinions ie heresy that brought them.

Thanks for commenting . like I said the simple faith message acquired encumbering paraphernalia as time went on due to people attempting to help God. Your differing opinions falls there as well.

Ubenedictus:
All d cases above are works of the spirits what is ur issue with d council in jerusaleM

My first issue with the Jerusalem council is it set up a precedent for church councils, where people gather and make binding regulatiins on all Christians based on the views of a few persons present at their meeting. This has been used to devastating effect since then , and the major schisms in the church i can recall started due to resolutions of church councils. Secondly the manner in which the decisions were reached took a middle ground between paul arguing for salvation by grace , and the judaizers arguing for the law of moses. They setled for the middle... Keep a few of the laws, . what possible justificatiin was there to retain some laws as binding? ?? Apart from avoiding offence to jewish brethren most scholars see none. So it was possibly a compromise arrangement, . Paul would later fall short of a key decree of the council when he suggested that food offered to idols could be eaten by believers under certain circumstances. ....Paul said " whatever is sold in the markets eat asking no questions for conscience sake..., again" ...if any that believes not invite you to a feast...eat whatever is set before you asking no questions. This type of flexibility was lacking in the original Jerusalem document . furthermore this type of micromanaging of the saints s what distinguishes law from grace.. You find that the law against strangled meat for example goes against scriptures like ...all things are lawful but not all things are expedient. There us a reason why Christ is the end of the law to them that believe....the Jerusalem council in my view is rather pro law. Leading Christians by edicts seems a bit anachronistic in an age of grace. My personal opinion is that Paul probably had the message for that situation.

otemanuduno:
okay. I'm happy u don't want denomination anymore. That's how it starts. As long as their wouldn't be tithe paid to d men of thieves and Yahweh d god of thieves, I like that

There is no law binding on the elect except love. Your law of tithing included. Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever is not a linguistically tenable representation of the divine name, correct yourself and then we can discuss.

newbornmacho:

Thanks for commenting . like I said the simple faith message acquired encumbering paraphernalia as time went on due to people attempting to help God. Your differing opinions falls there as well.

The paraphernalia never affected church unity, infact by d year 300, the church of romd had different rituals from the church in antioch and even different from d church in ephesus...etc and yet the was no denominations. The false teachers were know and exposed. Not once did the difference in rituals cause divisions, becos at d core d rituals had a basic similarity.

Each time the was division is was heresy, is it d judaiser? D arians? The eastern schism of 500's and 1054? Or it is even protestanism?

Do you even know how protestanism began and how all these new churches came abt? It is alway a man with a differing opinion that begins it and believes he is mr know it all who alone has d holy spirit.

Rituals didnt even come in.

newbornmacho:

There is no law binding on the elect except love. Your law of tithing included. Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever is not a linguistically tenable representation of the divine name, correct yourself and then we can discuss.

LOL... Pls can you give me the linguistically tenable representation of the divine Jewish God name so that I can refer to it instead of yahweh?

Guy's trying to keep the name of his god away from mockery

Ubenedictus:
The paraphernalia never affected church unity, infact by d year 300, the church of romd had different rituals from the church in antioch and even different from d church in ephesus...etc and yet the was no denominations. The false teachers were know and exposed. Not once did the difference in rituals cause divisions, becos at d core d rituals had a basic similarity.

Each time the was division is was heresy, is it d judaiser? D arians? The eastern schism of 500's and 1054? Or it is even protestanism?

Do you even know how protestanism began and how all these new churches came abt? It is alway a man with a differing opinion that begins it and believes he is mr know it all who alone has d holy spirit.


Rituals didnt even come in.

Now, there are two related but separate things. Denominationalism and institutionalism. If you read my previous posts well. I'm contending that both are inconsistent with the nature of the true Church , which is a living spontaneous organism fluidly following the flow of the holy spirit's moment to moment leading. and both arose as a.consequence of the things I listed.
With respect to ritualization , it resulted in institutionalization of the christian message as opposed to personalization.
By this I mean that human organizations formed around the christian message which acquired the ability to be run without the holy spirit micromanaging them. The organizations acquired a life of their own, they could live and move and have their being and run on autopilot. These organisms have no need for the spirit. And are easily perpetuated even when the spirit departs. These are institutions easily run by long established codes .
Yes differences in opinion contributed to formation of denominations, these different viewpoints when they are ritualized- concretized in symbolism or dogma or liturgy, or acculturation become denominational institutions.
The shell of ritual perpetuates the original ideology at the potential expense of a personal experience.
I hope you see my point: church should be as controlled by the spirit as the church in the wilderness was by the pillars of cloud and.fire. without the continuing leadership of the spirit the true church is paralysed, but the false denominational institutional church can still move around with the legs of its liturgy and practices.

otemanuduno:


LOL... Pls can you give me the linguistically tenable representation of the divine Jewish God name so that I can refer to it instead of yahweh?

Guy's trying to keep the name of his god away from mockery

We've gotten this far because I believed you are a serious person, let's keep it that way. When you lack knowledge the wise thing to do is ask.
The divine name in the original Hebrew is a cluster of 4 consonants : YHWH with no intervening vowels. This renders it unpronounceable. All renderings with vowels were editions intended to approximate the possible but now unknown pronunciation. Google can help you out.
But the main point is that your darkness is the making of your creator , your destiny, and only God can help you.

newbornmacho:

We've gotten this far because I believed you are a serious person, let's keep it that way. When you lack knowledge the wise thing to do is ask.
The divine name in the original Hebrew is a cluster of 4 consonants : YHWH with no intervening vowels. This renders it unpronounceable. All renderings with vowels were editions intended to approximate the possible but now unknown pronunciation. Google can help you out.
But the main point is that your darkness is the making of your creator , your destiny, and only God can help you.

YHWH, I know this before but how do we pronounce it? Yahoo? No, I think Yahweh still makes sense as much as pronunciation is needed. Well, whether YHWH or Yahweh, he is just one of the children of GOD THE UNIVERSE.

otemanuduno:

YHWH, I know this before but how do we pronounce it? Yahoo? No, I think Yahweh still makes sense as much as pronunciation is needed. Well, whether YHWH or Yahweh, he is just one of the children of GOD THE UNIVERSE.

You see! Now your brain is gradually returning to factory reset. Humility is entering your posts. You can even say "I think....makes sense....how do we pronounce..."
I expected you to ask your God otem or whatever to settle this scholarly debates once and for all and give humanity the lost name of his god-child.
Until you do that all your revelations are suspect.!

newbornmacho:

The divine name in the original Hebrew is a cluster of 4 consonants : YHWH with no intervening vowels. This renders it unpronounceable. All renderings with vowels were editions intended to approximate the possible but now unknown pronunciation. Google can help you out.

hello newbornmacho.... this is a nice thread.... I'm a non-denominational christian... you have a good point... personally... out of respect, i don't call the Judeochristian God by the name gotten from the tetragrammation(YHWH) ... instead i use the name the jews use.... “Hashem" .... which literally means “the name"... the name of God is sacred... you said the tetragrammation can't be pronounced... at least that's what we were told... but actually it can be pronounced... but don't expect anyone to tell you that... anyone who can utter the name properly would be able to command entities... angels and demons... possibly open spiritual gateways etc... just uttering the name right... it is being used in the occult and freemansory... but for the sake of nairaland, lets just call it a story for another time

Wilgrea7:


hello newbornmacho.... this is a nice thread.... I'm a non-denominational christian... you have a good point... personally... out of respect, i don't call the Judeochristian God by the name gotten from the tetragrammation(YHWH) ... instead i use the name the jews use.... “Hashem" .... which literally means “the name"... the name of God is sacred... you said the tetragrammation can't be pronounced... at least that's what we were told... but actually it can be pronounced... but don't expect anyone to tell you that... anyone who can utter the name properly would be able to command entities... angels and demons... possibly open spiritual gateways etc... just uttering the name right... it is being used in the occult and freemansory... but for the sake of nairaland, lets just call it a story for another time

Thanks for commenting. And sharing these insights.

newbornmacho:

You see! Now your brain is gradually returning to factory reset. Humility is entering your posts. You can even say "I think....makes sense....how do we pronounce..."
I expected you to ask your God otem or whatever to settle this scholarly debates once and for all and give humanity the lost name of his god-child.
Until you do that all your revelations are suspect.!

It's like u are ignorant still. Okay let me enlighten you... WE ARE GOD. He is manifesting himself in all possible ways. The brain is what is needed to do things, not the help of any god. We ourselves are in the same ranks with the gods. We have power to capture the bad gods like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch and bind them forever and they shall remain bound. We have all the powers with us to do so.

Now here are the golden rules once more:

1. Use your brain
2. Worship no god
3. Do good to humanity

Once you do all of these three things, you are actually fulfilling your own part of the purpose to which GOD THE UNIVERSE, the father of Yahweh, created everything.

otemanuduno:


It's like u are ignorant still. Okay let me enlighten you... WE ARE GOD. He is manifesting himself in all possible ways. The brain is what is needed to do things, not the help of any god. We ourselves are in the same ranks with the gods. We have power to capture the bad gods like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch and bind them forever and they shall remain bound. We have all the powers with us to do so.

Now here are the golden rules once more:

1. Use your brain
2. Worship no god
3. Do good to humanity

Once you do all of these three things, you are actually fulfilling your own part of the purpose to which GOD THE UNIVERSE, the father of Yahweh, created everything.

Hahaha otemanuduno! You are found out like one of them . when Mohammed was asked for proof of his prophet hood he pointed to his book. Item the great revelator of doctufo doesn't know the name of his god child, and has to rely on the brain of man to remind him.

OK . you do have a point I agree with though, we are gods says the scriptures to thise to whom the word was sent. And yes God reproduces himself in his creation, producing sons of God who are in effect God.
But Satan also incarnates himself producing the beast, the false prophet and many other sons of Belial. These ones are false gods of this world who shiver and tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus Christ, the culmination and perfection of the incarnation of divinity, called the SON of God. In him all things consist, he is the essence of reality, and meaning , and nature , and being, the rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness, the logos and word and the manifestation of The Almighty God, the mystery that holds all things together,in him we live and move and have our being, in him all things consist.
But he reveals himself only to the predestined few... The elect, and all others are abandoned to wallow in all manner of stupid theories of men to whirl away what little time they have on earth .

Now, there are two related but separate things.
Denominationalism and institutionalism. If you read my previous posts well. I'm contending that both are inconsistent with the nature of the true Church , which is a living spontaneous
organism fluidly following the flow of the holy spirit's moment to moment leading. and both
arose as a.consequence of the things I listed.
With respect to ritualization , it resulted in institutionalization of the christian message as opposed to personalization.

here again you seem to be missing something.

The christian message must be both communual and personal, it has to be both not just personal.
I even make bold to say that christianity was alway meant to be institutional. Jesus didnt just give us only teachings and left us with the holy spirit no! He left also a community of believer, with leaders who had power to bind and lose i.e make laws and govern...he left a church with all the xteristics of an institution. newbornmacho

By this I mean that human organizations formed around the christian message which acquired the ability to be run without the holy
spirit micromanaging them. The organizations acquired a life of their own, they could live and move and have their being and run on
autopilot. These organisms have no need for the spirit. And are easily perpetuated even when the spirit departs. These are institutions easily run by long established codes .
Yes differences in opinion contributed to
formation of denominations, these different viewpoints when they are ritualized- concretized in symbolism or dogma or liturgy, or acculturation become denominational
institutions.

here again i disagree!

Jesus himself established the church and entrusted her with duty to spead his word and celebrate his mysteries...he gave it leader and gave those leader d right to lead and then he crowned her with the holyspirit and promised never to leave her and promised her thd constant and abiding presence of the holyspirit....

Ubenedictus:

here again i disagree!

Jesus himself established the church and entrusted her with duty to spead his word and celebrate his mysteries...he gave it leader and gave those leader d right to lead and then he crowned her with the holyspirit and promised never to leave her and promised her thd constant and abiding presence of the holyspirit....

that church is a spiritual reality with a physical demension, it is an organisation, a divine one. I believe in the promise of Jesus and i disagree that there was ever a time when the church existed without the abiding presence of Jesus and his Spirit.

I hold that the Church left by Jesus has his promise to never be prevailed upon by the gates of hell and for anyone to claim that the church was ever without the guiding and abiding presence of the spirit is to make Jesus a liar.

The shell of ritual perpetuates the original ideology at the potential expense of a personal experience. I hope you see my point: church should be as
controlled by the spirit as the church in the
wilderness was by the pillars of cloud and.fire.
without the continuing leadership of the spirit
the true church is paralysed, but the false denominational institutional church can still move around with the legs of its liturgy and practices.

and sometimes the rituals simply perpetuate true faith and allows the participant a personal experience of the spirit.

My first issue with the Jerusalem council is it
set up a precedent for church councils, where
people gather and make binding regulatiins on all Christians based on the views of a few
persons present at their meeting. This has
been used to devastating effect since then , and the major schisms in the church i can recall started due to resolutions of church
councils.

my dear, truth is not based on the opinions of the majority! the church is based on d foundation of the apostles and it made total sense that the issue was brough to them because they were the ones who Jesus gave the teaching authority. So yes those 'few' people right decided issues for the majority since they had the authority to do so.


Council do not cause schism they resolve heresy! There we judaiser in d church b4 d council of jerusalem, there were arians b4 d council of nicea...etc

Secondly the manner in which the decisions were reached took a middle ground between paul arguing for salvation by grace, and the judaizers arguing for the law of moses. They setled for the middle... Keep a few of the laws, . what possible justificatiin was there to retain some laws as binding? ??
Apart from avoiding offence to jewish brethren most scholars see none. So it was possibly a compromise arrangement, . Paul would later fall short of a key decree of the council when he suggested that food offered to idols could be eaten by believers under certain
circumstances. ....Paul said " whatever is sold
in the markets eat asking no questions for conscience sake..., again" ...if any that believes not invite you to a feast...eat whatever is set before you asking no questions.

there was no middle ground, the judaizer wanted circumcision and d council said no, the importance of d laws were suppose to keep the weak xtians away from idolatry, hence dont eat sacrifice...etc

newbornmacho:

Hahaha otemanuduno! You are found out like one of them . when Mohammed was asked for proof of his prophet hood he pointed to his book. Item the great revelator of doctufo doesn't know the name of his god child, and has to rely on the brain of man to remind him.

OK . you do have a point I agree with though, we are gods says the scriptures to thise to whom the word was sent. And yes God reproduces himself in his creation, producing sons of God who are in effect God.
But Satan also incarnates himself producing the beast, the false prophet and many other sons of Belial. These ones are false gods of this world who shiver and tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus Christ, the culmination and perfection of the incarnation of divinity, called the SON of God. In him all things consist, he is the essence of reality, and meaning , and nature , and being, the rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness, the logos and word and the manifestation of The Almighty God, the mystery that holds all things together,in him we live and move and have our being, in him all things consist.
But he reveals himself only to the predestined few... The elect, and all others are abandoned to wallow in all manner of stupid theories of men to whirl away what little time they have on earth .

The problem with u is that u have a narrow or no idea of what my mission on earth is. Everything that exists is a god, being a product of GOD THE UNIVERSE. And since Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Moloch and other little gods were created also, we are just on an equal level with them. The use of the brain is the cardinal message I bear, hence my reason for emphasizing it. With our more advanced brain, no evil god e.g Yahweh, Allah, etc have the right or authority over us. We are equal with them, because we have GOD in us.

furthermore this type of micromanaging of the saints s what
distinguishes law from grace.. You find that the law against strangled meat for example goes against scriptures like ...all things are lawful but not all things are expedient. There us a reason why Christ is the end of the law to them that
believe....the Jerusalem council in my view is rather pro law. Leading Christians by edicts seems a bit anachronistic in an age of grace.
My personal opinion is that Paul probably had
the message for that situation.

then maybe you and paul have a different understanding of grace because the apostle paul was there when the 'edict' were given and he didnt object.

This might be helpful, it is a history of the division of the Church

THE BATTLE AGAINST HERESY
Heresy means division, any form of division or separation from the body of Christ is heresy. Since the birth of the Church and the union of Jews and Gentiles under Christ there have been a struggle of unity; a battle to keep the Church united. The problem of unity became more evident as the church expand into various gentile societies. Every Christian society produces it's own kind of Christianity from a fine mixture of it's culture, philosophy and paganism. Division was apparent as each society has it's own kind of Christianity. And this was because every converted man try to mix Christianity with his former pagan and cultural believe. They never really let go of the man they use to be and they brought that pagan mentality into the body of Christ.

Hence, there were many diverse and conflicting beliefs. And they were many kind of Christianity and heresies began to arise among different Christian community. The spiritual leaders of the Church were faced with the problem, how can the Church be united as one body. Ignatius, a prominent Christian leader write to the churches that one of the elder of every church should be exalted as the head of the community. Prior to this each church is headed by a group of elders, presbyters, pastors or bishops. There was nothing like a single pastor or bishop heading a church. Even Peter refer to himself as a co-elder, "The elders which [are] among you I exhort, who [am their] fellow-elder..." (1Pet 5:1). Peter never claim to be a Pope as some Christians claim he was.

The phenomena of a single Bishop for each church emerged to combat the heresies springing up from various churches. Ignatius in his letter stated that, “It is becoming, therefore, that ye also should be obedient to your bishop, and contradict him in nothing;... Let the laity be subject to the deacons; the deacons to the presbyters; the presbyters to the bishop; the bishop to Christ, even as He is to the Father... See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop... Whatsoever [the bishop] shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.” (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Smyrnaeans).

Ignatius of Antioch fought for the unity of the Church as such he has been called the “Doctor of Unity”. With good motive and pure intention he introduced a hierarchical power structure that is alien from Christ. God never intended that the Church be divided into Clergy and Laity, such phenomena should never have existed. This hierarchical structure does not exist in God. The Godhead is not hierarchically divided into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; they are all equal and all united. The idea of a central head is man's wisdom, man's attempt to help God in maintaining unity in the Church. This is carnal; an act of the flesh. The old man that should have died at the cross have been left untouched. This man had escaped the cross through Ignatius and had released this stink of impurity that desecrate the house of God. And now the Church is affiliated with this alien phenomenon of hierarchical power structure.

Just as every attempt of man to help God, the introduction of a single authoritative Bishop fail to secure the unity that the body of Christ desire. Heresies and all kind of division still continue to plague the Church. To resolve this problem Constantine, the first Roman empire to be converted into Christianity decided to call together the bishops of the Church to meet and conclude on what should be called Scripture. The idea was to have one single book as the combination of all the books accepted as Scripture. It was meant to combat the problem of each churches having a different cannon of books. There was division in the sense that what one church call Scripture is different from what another church refer to as Scripture. Since each church has a different kind of canon of scriptures there was contradictions in beliefs or doctrines. Therefore attempt was made to have one single book of Scripture that would unit the Church in doctrine and eliminate heresies. This book was to preserve and guide the doctrine of the Church. The hope was that one Bible would lead to one doctrine and subsequently resulting into unity in the Church.

Of cause this also fail, despite the one Bible, Christianity still remain the most divided religion. The Bible remain the most debated book in history as men attempt to twist it and use it fot promoting self-interest. The Bible has failed in keeping the Church united, hence the rise of the Universal Church (Catholic means universal) and Pope. Constantine frequently call together the bishops and try to make them agree on a universal church with one doctrine. Various creed were made to ensure one doctrine and one Church. The papacy is another of man's attempt to help God unit His Church. All bishops were to be united under one head called the Pope. This head is meant to be the representative of Christ and subsequently head the Church. He holds all authority over the Church and all Christian were expected to reverence and submit to him as to God. The Pope was responsible for holding the Church together and combating heresies or any form of division in the Church. In fact the Pope has more authority than the Bible. Thousands and thousands of Christians were killed by the Pope for the sake of maintaining unity. Historians agree that the Church killed more Christian than Nero. All kind of atrocity were committed by the Pope in his attempt to fulfill his responsibility of holding the Church together. For example the Jesuit, the anti-protestant crusades etc were put in place by the Pope to stop the breakout and keep the Church united. Yet he failed and only a segment of Christians are still under him today.

Despite all these failures we still continue to do things our way. Till today we still depend on the Bible and pastors or other authoritative head to hold the congregation together and ensure unity. The arrogant have made themselves believe that if only they could get a good Bible interpretation, a very strong and competent religious head, preach unity well enough and develop a more unifying method or strategy we would have unity. All our methods have failed, all our brilliant idea can't get unity. For almost two thousand years of trying we have failed. We should have learn our lessons by now. We found ourselves in helplessness and confusion, we don't know where else to search for unity. But there is still a place left unexplored, somewhere we've never thought the solution could be.

The solution can only be found in the spirit and "God is spirit" (John 4:24). The solution is found in a place beyond the carnal man, a land where the flesh cannot go. The flesh is dead and is subjected to the law of disintegration and decay. No wonder we couldn't find unity, for we've searched for it by the flesh while it lies beyond the flesh. We have failed to explore God in our search for unity (I am to referring to praying). The solution can only be found in the fullness of God and Christ is this fullness of God (Col 1:19). It is in the fullness of God we find sufficiency. Yes, every Christian can be united as one if only we explore Christ enough and discover the law of unity and harmony that exist in him. And as we learn to subject ourselves to this law we would have a unity beyond that which our minds can imagine.

It's time we give up our worthless effort to achieve unity. Reasoning with church leaders on the need to be united won't help bring unity. Soul provoking words won't help either. You cannot spur the people to work towards unity because they don't have the ability to attain unity no matter how hard they try. Our abilities can't get us there. We need to forsake the flesh, for we have explored the flesh in every way we can yet we couldn't find unity. It is time to go beyond 'where our feet can take us' and explore the spirit. Let go into the spirit, let explore Christ, for it is the head that is responsible for uniting the body. When the whole body is well connected to the head there would be unity and harmony. How root must be grounded deep in Christ to ensure unity. Christ is the only way to emerge victorious in this battle against heresy.

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