sgtponzihater:


So if one did not study medicine , dentistry or any of all the shitty paramedical courses then he couldn't aachieve anything in life? no wonder doctors are committing suicide and dentist are disillusioned. Doctors collect #500/hour and u feel it's a thing of pride, while private practice for dentists are so limited they pray for government jobs or earn 70k per month and have to wear ties and a white coat on it. In my next world I would love to be a doctor but not in Nigeria because I have no regard for medical practice in Nigeria.

eniolaamoda:



Pls u guys should differenciate this medicine properly
I thought only ppl who did mbbs are called medical.doctor


Is a vet.doctor also a doctor
Is a phychiatrist also a doctor
Pls shed more light on this pls

I really wish to learn

Because a dentist studied most of d courses a person who reads mbbs did, does this qualify him to be a doctor?

Because someone who studied some of the courses an accoubtant did in his first 3years in d uni does this qualify him to be an accountant?
Bcus ppl who study internaltional relations and business admin do some accoubting courses
Does dis mean we can call dem accountants

DrSuleiman100:
Ponzihater is the dumbest here followed closely by aluko360. How can you pple be arguing over something you know little or nothing about? Haba! Your level of ignorance is too high. Chai!


*both are medical doctors. Only that dentistry is more of surgery than prescribing drug though they do where it's necessary
*dentistry more demanding and tasking in medical school because of more courses they offer in addition to common courses they offer with those studying medicine
*same salary scale in Nigeria
Dentist paid higher in most developed countries of the world
*both are treated and respected the same way
*dentists have more potential to earn more money than those that studied medicine
*Both are under the same umbrella of medical and dental council of Nigeria and NMA with the same identity card generated by the same association
*Same method of renewing and getting practising license
Any of them can be head of the hospital as CMD
Both can go on to specialize and earn same salary and allowance


The choice is yours. Thanks

DrSuleiman100:
for you to know that dentistry no be joke, take a look at this

sgtponzihater:


Stop this. Must u do this to proof ur crude point.

DrSuleiman100:


Just to let you know that tooth problem is the least of cases managed by dentist....come to my center and see how tumour both malignant(cancers) and benign tumour are being managed. Come and see how jaws are being cut off and reconstructed. Come and see how comminuted fractures of maxillofacial bones are managed. Come and see neck dissection. I am certain your brain will reset

sgtponzihater:


If it's not medicine and surgery it can never be. Keep all those trash to urself. True medical doctors know these things even though they keep quiet not to sound proud. I am Sgt Ponzi Hater and I give respect to who it is due. Respect is due to physician because they risk their life's everyday, have countless calls and several sleepless nights to ensure that people are kept alive. I can't allow a BDS graduate with less hard work, less respect, less sleepless night, lighter work schedule and very lower demand come here and rub shoulders with those physicians and surgeons. Remember to become the physician, gynaecologist, psychiatrist, neurologist, neurosurgeon u claim are in the same specialty as dentistry they all have one thing in common they all have MBBS or MD or MBcH degrees, so they all have the same first degree and thus speak a common language. Dentist no matter their specialty don't have the same first degree or root as the other specialty and are such a distinct course of its own just like nursing, optometry, radiography and pharmacy. So get it into ur calcified brain that I am very well informed.

Sgt Ponzi Hater
2017

homesteady:
sgtponzihater Do you know that it is easier for a Dentist to get an MBBS than for a Medical Doctor to get a BDS? It is easier in the sense that it takes a shorter period of time, like about 18 months or so!

And do you also know you can't have license to practice the two courses at the same time?

You keep on talking of respect, Mr Man, is your respect adding any kobo to our accounts? The people that matter respect us, the health care system respects us, the government respects us, reasonable people respects us! Even the medical doctors respect us because we went through the same stress.
Should we now start peeing on our pants because one daft, ignorant cretin on Nairaland has decided to be a nuisance even after many people have corrected him, and more information are at his fingertips on the Internet? Hell No!
No one cares about you or your opinion... If you are that pained, why not write letters to the government asking them to stop paying both professions the same salary? Or perhaps you could just pick up placards and start a one-man protest!

JummyForReal:


I think you are getting it all wrong Mr ponzi hater. one can also specialize in dentistry after first degree to become a consultant in any specialties under dentistry depending on what area you like. my uncle who is a dentist was celebrated after The first degree as a doctor. few years later he became consultant..I can't remember his own area. and they are also very busy because his wife always complains anytime I visit them that they always Call him for emergency cases especially before he became a consultant. I think some specialties are busier than the other. and I think the fact that they Call him means he should come and save life. also some specialties under medicine are less busy....like Opthalmology, radiology, mental health and possibly Endocrine but that does not mean they're not important or not doctors. Thanks.

DrSuleiman100:



Stop displaying your despicable and abysmal level of ignorance. This is a public forum. Who told you it's only oral cavity dental surgeons studied? I am a dental surgeon. My part 5 bed side exam was a DM patient of which I was expected to know everything about diabetes ranging from clerking, features, signs and symptoms diagnosis, complications and management during medicine and surgery exam with those that were studying medicine under the same exam conditions and pass mark. No part of your body is in isolation. Different parts of body work together as a system. That is why you must know everything as a doctor
If anything is wrong with a part of your system, manifestations may be on a distant site. Dentists are complete doctor just like those that studied medicine

ElPhoche:

That you are a dental surgeon does not and will not make you know 80% of what medical doctors know. There is a reason that people are called specialists, because they are well versed and adept in the specialty. I dunno what Part 5 is, whether it is an undergraduate exam, which I feel it is, but even when you have just graduated with MBBS, you have barely scratched the surface of medicine. You are just someone who should know what to do after clerking+examination, manage and make a referral if need be.
Do you know that a detailed text on Diabetes, which you preached to know so much, or even something as common as meningitis can fill a small library, and you are claiming to know 80%. If you know 80%, there is no need for specialisation.
Of course, medicine is system based. You treat your patient as a whole. That's why a doctor should know something about every system and everything.
I won't want to join words with you and return insults, but I am surprised that you did insult me, being a 'doctor' that you claim to be. Apparently, you were not trained in character but just academically. You are not the only doctor on nairaland.
That I am a medical doctor would not make me claim to know even 30% of what a dental surgeon knows. I knew enough about the your discipline to pass through school way comfortably, but I won't claim to know even half of what you know. It is this kind of 'know all' attitudes that creates scenarios at times that makes the public roast us. THE GOOD DOCTOR IS ONE WHO KNOWS WHEN TO REFER, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE KNOWS LITTLE OF WHAT THE PERSON HE IS REFERRING KNOWS.

Almighty Dental surgeon my foot.

sgtponzihater:


You are confusing me now with these words u typed. A doctor told me dentist are doctors are almost the same. Another told me medicine is so wide dentists are actually locked out of the excitement and thrills of clinical and ward practice and you can't claim to be a physician of you don't have MBBS. So I don't just get anymore.

sgtponzihater:


You are confusing me now with these words u typed. A doctor told me dentist are doctors are almost the same. Another told me medicine is so wide dentists are actually locked out of the excitement and thrills of clinical and ward practice and you can't claim to be a physician of you don't have MBBS. So I don't just get anymore.

ElPhoche:

Some climes don't even call it MBBS

sgtponzihater:


Pls Dentists are not medical doctors don't mislead the public. A medical doctor studied medicine and surgery. Dentist are rather referred to as dental surgeons. Again there are no better course, fill the course you are passionate about and not what people tell u. If u choose either course without being passionate about it u either get kicked out or frustrated in the end. But if you want to know all about the human body and cause alot of good in the world become a medical doctor and give in ur best but if u are scared of cutoff mark field in dentistry because medicine is for the smartest.

Sgt Ponzi Hater

davidif:


My sister to become a surgeon specializing in maxillofacial surgery in other advanced countries you need to have finished medical school first before you can start studying to become a specialist in that field. And in order to even get into medical school in the first place you need to have at least a bachelor's degree already.

ElPhoche:

I didn't say a dentist isn't a doctor. In fact, registering body for doctors in the country is called Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria. During the NMA meetings, you have dentists in attendance.

It was just the way that the guy was talking and showing himself that annoyed me. Matter of fact, he know less than 30% of what 'doctors' according to him know. Na this same attitude that someone who studied anatomy will come out and be forming 'we know what they know. Didn't we do Anatomy, biochemistry and physiology together?'.
If e not be panadol, e no be panadol. Simple and short

homesteady:


Are you serious? Are you even a doctor or you are just a health practitioner who is trying to form I-too-know?

How dare you compare the Medical and Dental relationship with Basic Medical courses?
Are you trying to imply that the medical doctors know more anatomy, physiology and MBC than their Dental counterparts? If that's what you mean, then cursed are you! You must be more stupid than I thought! For Petes sake, we both learned this courses under the same conditions, we wrote and passed the examination on this courses under the same conditions and you are here comparing us to anatomy students?

In clinical school, we both do pathology and pharmacology together, write and pass the examination under the same conditions!
At this level, We have spent 4 years together and in my school 5 years because 400l is for 2 years!
In 500L, we officially separate, the dentals proceed to do Medicine and Surgery!
So basically, the only courses Medics do that we don't are O&G, pediatrics and Mental health! So how did you come to the conclusion that we know less than 30% of what Medics know?

sgtponzihater:


All this stuff u are saying doesn't make u a medical doctor. Nurses do all the courses doctors do plus extras so should they claim to doctors. You are a mere dentist and can be rendered to as doctors but still doesn't make u a medical doctor period.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

Mikolion87:


I thought you just apologized some comments ago and claimed you've been educated about dentistry which you admitted you lacked. It is now very obvious you don't want to learn at all due to your hatred for dental surgeons for whatever reason, and adamantly resisting enlightenment. I doubt if you're a medical student, because if you are, you'll never segregate against someone you hustled together with in the medical school, writing MBBS exams with, just because his degree is BDS. BDS is equal to MBBS exams(minus 4th MB) plus dental surgery exams. And yes during internship, they do not rotate in other fields of medicine but they do so during residency. And you cannot compare a nurse with a dentist, because unlike dentists, they do not write MBBS exams let alone BDS.. BTW, dental training in Nigeria is different from that obtainable in most western countries. The introduction of medicine and surgery to the dental curriculum makes Nigerian dentists medical doctors.. Moreover, the eye or liver or the brain cannot say to the mouth, you're not a member of the body or that you're not important. And who says dentists are not life savers as well. Have you had a tooth ache before, aggresive periodontitis, or have you ever seen patients with facial or mandibular fractures or tumours. I believe these patients will not take it funny when you say a dentist is not a life saver. If this is not enough to make you enlightened, my brother, you're on your own

homesteady:


Are you serious? Are you even a doctor or you are just a health practitioner who is trying to form I-too-know?

How dare you compare the Medical and Dental relationship with Basic Medical courses?
Are you trying to imply that the medical doctors know more anatomy, physiology and MBC than their Dental counterparts? If that's what you mean, then cursed are you! You must be more stupid than I thought! For Petes sake, we both learned this courses under the same conditions, we wrote and passed the examination on this courses under the same conditions and you are here comparing us to anatomy students?

In clinical school, we both do pathology and pharmacology together, write and pass the examination under the same conditions!
At this level, We have spent 4 years together and in my school 5 years because 400l is for 2 years!
In 500L, we officially separate, the dentals proceed to do Medicine and Surgery!
So basically, the only courses Medics do that we don't are O&G, pediatrics and Mental health! So how did you come to the conclusion that we know less than 30% of what Medics know?

homesteady:


Are you serious? Are you even a doctor or you are just a health practitioner who is trying to form I-too-know?

How dare you compare the Medical and Dental relationship with Basic Medical courses?
Are you trying to imply that the medical doctors know more anatomy, physiology and MBC than their Dental counterparts? If that's what you mean, then cursed are you! You must be more stupid than I thought! For Petes sake, we both learned this courses under the same conditions, we wrote and passed the examination on this courses under the same conditions and you are here comparing us to anatomy students?

In clinical school, we both do pathology and pharmacology together, write and pass the examination under the same conditions!
At this level, We have spent 4 years together and in my school 5 years because 400l is for 2 years!
In 500L, we officially separate, the dentals proceed to do Medicine and Surgery!
So basically, the only courses Medics do that we don't are O&G, pediatrics and Mental health! So how did you come to the conclusion that we know less than 30% of what Medics know?

Mikolion87:
I think the problem is that, dental surgeons are very few in Nigeria and most people do not know about the academic requirement of dentistry. Because most dental surgeons do not talk much about their profession, and most dental students are so busy with medical and dental postings or exams and hence too busy to enlighten the public. Most people do not even know that dental students write same MBBS exams as medical students organized by Faculty of Medical science and then dental surgery (BDS) exams organized by Faculty of Dentistry.. The only difference is that they commence their specialty from undergraduate level and still undergo a postgraduate to specialize in any of about nine specialties(oral medicine, oral and maxillofacial surgery, oral pathology, periodontics etc) at the West African College of Surgeons while for their medical counterparts, you commence only after the undergraduate in medicine.. In the postgraduate Medical college in Nigeria( college of surgeons), you have different Faculties: orthopaedics, O and G, ENT, Opthalmology, surgery, Internal medicine, Dental surgery (for Dentists)... So, they are all considered as one (atleast here in Nigeria). They all have set of skills that distinguishes them as doctors and make them unique, so one cannot claim dorminance over the other. Now, one should decide which field to specialize so as to become profficient in that field (whether med or dent) and become a consultant in their field. It's wrong for a neurosurgeon to say a dermatologist is not important, or an ophthalmologist to say a dental surgeon is not important. Because when he has a dental or maxillofacial problem, he does not go to see a ophthalmologist, but a dentist.. So, they are all doctors and deserve the right to be because they have the knowledge and unique set of skills which the other does not have. This should be enough to enlighten whoever, unless one's case is irredeemable

sgtponzihater:


So u are trained to be a local champion and not fit in the international picture. I apologised but wen I called a dentist in the UK he informed me that he is still a doctor but is not regulated by the medical council but the dental council and thus not a medical doctor per say. He then explained that dentistry is unique from medicine. So I found dentists in Nigeria have low self esteem issues. They probably wanted MBBS. But I know better now because he told me with time dentist myt carve out their body the way it is all over the world except they want to remain backward and subservient as they are now.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

sgtponzihater:


All this stuff u are saying doesn't make u a medical doctor. Nurses do all the courses doctors do plus extras so should they claim to doctors. You are a mere dentist and can be rendered to as doctors but still doesn't make u a medical doctor period.

Sgt Ponzi Hater.

homesteady:


Mr Man, I thought you had apologized for all the nonsense you've been spewing here?
Is your brain this blocked or you are just naturally slow? So even after all the breakdown that has been given by many posters here, you are still assuming silly things and asking stupid questions!
How are nursing students offering the same courses with us? Please stop basking in the euphoria of your ignorance and keep shut!

As I told you earlier, your endorsement doesn't matter, we are still receiving our pay and the wise, knowledgeable people recognise our profession! Whatever your opinion is, you can shove it down your ass, because no one cares!