where everyone dey now, where are the owners of the thread, una don leave am for only me nay.

Tor make i dey flesh am alone now

ikupakuti:
@emekaRaj,

You got me all wrong!

I never refuted your claims as i‘ve got no reason to...just trying to add to it.

Now, like i stated earlier, any angel (no matter his rank) can be seen here on earth by anyone whether awake or asleep but his appearance must obey the law of nature suitable to here.

Maryam, some of the sahaba, samriyyu etc, saw jubreel and they werent prophets...i did too.

At ikupakuti I don catch you, u said here in page 1 that you saw jibreel.
U must tell us the story. At LadunaI help me tell am to come an tell us the story oo

Null

emekaRaj:


Slm brother una done abandon the thread? Na una get the the thread if una abandoned the thread who am I.

Ok tnx

An yes I will love to go with ikhlas, it has become part of me, I can recite 1k in 20min, so yea if u can help me with this one, I will be glad

Lemme give u my office email dreamsproperty84@gmail.com wen I see ur mail I reply.

Tnx brother I hav learnt alot from you, maybe it's part of the destiny to open this thread an get help to upgrade.

Hmmmmm...1k in 20min

Your tongue na ferrari o

emekaRaj:


At ikupakuti I don catch you, u said here in page 1 that you saw jibreel.
U must tell us the story. At LadunaI help me tell am to come an tell us the story oo

See me see trouble o

Story wey I don relate since that page 1. Anyway saw him another time too, I‘ll relate it too.

emekaRaj:


At ikupakuti I don catch you, u said here in page 1 that you saw jibreel.
U must tell us the story. At LadunaI help me tell am to come an tell us the story oo

Sure @ikupakuti must drop awe inspiring story for us this week, that's is promise. I am pretty sure he would not renegade on keeping it. So WE ARE ALL EARS NOW!

He will tell us not only the stories, but also the adab and divine epithet to achieve that, I trust him.

We are in the middle of the week already, oya let keep things agog bros.

emekaRaj:


Just going through the first pages and I also saw this, I remember when u said this, I didn't believe at the time, but its starting to make sense now, I will like us to discuss this " combination of both the human species & the jinn species which gives you access to the two sphares simultaneously" again but this time deeper so I an others can gain more knowledge. Because I hav been told my children r gonna hav this gift and will even be stronger than me.

We will discuss this wen you an I are less busy.

Sure we will.

Then I couldnt decipher your nature rightly so I thought you have a dual-carrier personality but now I get.

As for your offsprings, sure they must inherit your superfluous & superhuman gene since you‘ve been configured that way premordially but concentration will differ.

ikupakuti:


Anyway saw him another time too, ...

عِندَ سِدۡرَةِ ٱلۡمُنتَهَىٰ

Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:

Q53:14

I am waiting for that beautiful anecdote bro. Also, which area do we factor lote-tree into five divine platforms. I forgot ask the other time.

Thanks

LadunaI:


Sure @ikupakuti must drop awe inspiring story for us this week, that's is promise. I am pretty sure he would not renegade on keeping it. So WE ARE ALL EARS NOW!

He will tell us not only the stories, but also the adab and divine epithet to achieve that, I trust him.

We are in the middle of the week already, oya let keep things agog bros.

LOLS you go fear emphasis naw..lol

But the story he was refering to dey page 1 naw ,since

You wan take style dodge your carryover from last week, you think we have forgotten abi

Just do quick finish your carryover make I start my own. Na you we dey wait for. Remain just 6 stories wey you go drop since na only 1 we see. Lol

ikupakuti:



LOLS you go fear emphasis naw..lol

But the story he was refering to dey page 1 naw ,since

You wan take style dodge your carryover from last week, you think we have forgotten abi

Just do quick finish your carryover make I start my own. Na you we dey wait for. Remain just 6 stories wey you go drop since na only 1 we see. Lol

No carryover bros. This week na your week oooo. Make u no take style pass it to me again o.

We're LISTENING and READING. Lols

ikupakuti:


Hmmmmm...1k in 20min

Your tongue na ferrari o

Lol.. na car race

I wanted to contribute and share some info here.
After typing and typing a lot, my phone with full battery just went off when I was about clicking the submit button.
Maybe it was not meant to be shared. Could you all believe I was only able to recall only about 20 percent of all what I wrote.

I'll just lay low and watch o. These 'people' can now use the internet too o.
Lol

Odabo oo

LadunaI:


عِندَ سِدۡرَةِ ٱلۡمُنتَهَىٰ

Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:

Q53:14

I am waiting for that beautiful anecdote bro. Also, which area do we factor lote-tree into five divine platforms. I forgot ask the other time.

Thanks

That was in JABARUT. The JABARUT has 3 maqams sub-divided into 6 manzils as projected by the structure of the ISMUL ‘AZAM. The phrase “none may pass“ is in regards to the limits set for the angels. All the exclusive & high class aljannah ‘iliyyin, mahwa, firdaws, sidratul muntaha etc are all below the al-arsh. The al-arsh occupys the highest manzil in the JABARUT.

#Actually, the anecdote is a small one. It happend when I was still trying to find my way around the LOCI OF THE STARS & its algorithms. The preceeding day, I just finished extracting a circuit of it. So, I was meditating upon its wonders, I witnessed the gradation of the son of Da‘ud (as) from sidiqiyya (sainthood) to nubuwwa (prophethood). The rites were perfomed by the 4 arch-angels. So, the son of david was sitting on the treshold of an uncompleted building surrounded by the awtads (they stood right over him on 4 corners) while I watched. Al-amin (as) was leading the ritual (recitation), using the same circuit. So, Israfeel was pointing out every maqam attained during the gradation process, like “he is now @ this“.

So, when he said he‘s now in qutbaniyya, it caught my attention & I asked him “what concerns a prophet with qutbaniyya ?“

...and he replied “Indeed, every nabiyyi must practically pass through all the ranks in wilayya through nubuwwa without skipping a single one even if the gradation is going to endure for just a split of a second, there is no short-cut or by-pass whether the promotion is single or double or whatever “ . Let me stop here. Over to you.

Jamo90:
I wanted to contribute and share some info here.
After typing and typing a lot, my phone with full battery just went off when I was about clicking the submit button.
Maybe it was not meant to be shared. Could you all believe I was only able to recall only about 20 percent of all what I wrote.

I'll just lay low and watch o. These 'people' can now use the internet too o.
Lol

Odabo oo

It was actually meant to be & you‘ll surely recall & re-type everything back. Forget about those people. We are waiting. Lol

ikupakuti:


It was actually meant to be & you‘ll surely recall & re-type everything back. Forget about those people. We are waiting. Lol

Happens to me sometimes when i try to post from mobile. Something happens and i lost it. To retype is boring and tiring. I just give up. this happens to me a ,ot in the jinn stories thread a lot.


Whats the difference btw seeking help or being helped by Jinn, Angel, or ruhaniya (for things like errands or even healing the sick as i said in the other thread) and human seeking help from human for protection (military protection for instance). Is the former act of worship and the later mundane?

Empiree:
Happens to me sometimes when i try to post from mobile. Something happens and i lost it. To retype is boring and tiring. I just give up. this happens to me a ,ot in the jinn stories thread a lot.


Whats the difference btw seeking help or being helped by Jinn, Angel, or ruhaniya (for things like errands or even healing the sick as i said in the other thread) and human seeking help from human for protection (military protection for instance). Is the former act of worship and the later mundane?

Yes, I understand that, especially when one is typing with an idea that came on the spur of the moment.

There is no difference or any anomaly whatsoever in seeking aid from a creature whether man, jinn or angel, the terms & believe of the seeker is what really matters. Apart from other purposes which the spirits are created 4 & their role as part of constituents of the system of the whole universe, they are all aides to man whether we know that or not.

The Quran & hadiths furnish facts on how angels/spiritual beings watch over us everyday & regulate our affairs & so do humans to humans too, we cant survive without each other.

So, the niyya of the seeker is what God will use in judgment. As the holy prophet (saw) said, that acts shall be (judged) based on niyya. The person who seeks help from a creature whether human/jinn/angel/stone/tree/bird & refuses or fails to acknowledge God as the helper behind the scene but attributed the help gotten to the imediate agent/agency thereby putting a creature in the place of the creator, such has commited shirk.

The real reason why the scholars usually dislike for people to seek help from the jinns is because of their terrible nature & for the fact that majority of them are not believers so their terms & conditions to render help might involve going against God just like when dealing with unbelieving humans too. The jinns are created from fire & therefor very destructive & dangerous to associate with as partners....

....the best approach when it comes to associating with them is to have them under ones feet like that of Sulaiman (as), as such, they dont have a say but to obey orders only. Had it been Sulaiman was on a partnership relationship with them & he made that request for the throne to be brought lols you will here some ridiculous terms & conditions like making sacrifice to them, obseving some hard devilish rules etc, inshort for that singular act of help, they‘ll make sure your good relationship with God is destroyed.

Another reason is that spiritual being have astonishing capabilities that might confuse an ignorant to believe them as all powerful. Just like some believed the jinns have the knowledge of gaib because they dont know how these jinns use to arrive @ their infos by going to the sky to decipher waves emanating from the top, so when they relay such info to an ignorant & pose as the allknowing, he‘ll surely believe so.

So, all acts of a believer are ibada since there is no fence when it comes to dealings with God. It is either one is on the rightside up or on the wrongside down. So whatever act one is on, its either one is earning reward or incuring the wrath of God. Intent is the yardstick.

ikupakuti:


Yes, I understand that, especially when one is typing with an idea that came on the spur of the moment.

There is no difference or any anomaly whatsoever in seeking aid from a creature whether man, jinn or angel, the terms & believe of the seeker is what really matters. Apart from other purposes which the spirits are created 4 & their role as part of constituents of the system of the whole universe, they are all aides to man whether we know that or not.

The Quran & hadiths furnish facts on how angels/spiritual beings watch over us everyday & regulate our affairs & so do humans to humans too, we cant survive without each other.

So, the niyya of the seeker is what God will use in judgment. As the holy prophet (saw) said, that acts shall be (judged) based on niyya. The person who seeks help from a creature whether human/jinn/angel/stone/tree/bird & refuses or fails to acknowledge God as the helper behind the scene but attributed the help gotten to the imediate agent/agency thereby putting a creature in the place of the creator, such has commited shirk.

The real reason why the scholars usually dislike for people to seek help from the jinns is because of their terrible nature & for the fact that majority of them are not believers so their terms & conditions to render help might involve going against God just like when dealing with unbelieving humans too. The jinns are created from fire & therefor very destructive & dangerous to associate with as partners....

Well said. As much as I thought. Just reconfirming. Thanks.

Now, how about the issue of "return". I hate to use "Akudaya". There is Islamic word used for it. It is common knowledge in Yorubaland. However, there is no clear daleel for it in Islamic theology. I am a person that believes in implicit knowledge but i dont necessarily believe in all of the narrations off the book. For instance, it is said that righteous Muslims return home every Thursday and Friday. I cant proof this theologically. But looking around us for practical evidences (haqiqa) shows there is possibility. For instance, some wicked souls are transformed in to animals, trees and other object. Lately i have seen strange trees with human organs (male and female). This is not happening by accident..

Also some wicked souls are transformed to dog immediately after their soul exit their body. There is a reason Yoruba people say " o ti di eranko jele jele...o ti di aguntan ti o nje le ba ogiri". They see what they see to say that. Can you shed light on the issue of "return" if such thing exist?. I have heard from my dad but recently, modern Muslims consider it superstitious belief. But when i listened to respected Shuyuk like Oniwasi Agbaye, Alfa Nla etc they would mention something like this briefly. But modern Muslims say how could a soul taken by Allah leave it position (wherever it is) and return to earth?. It is understandable that they see no daleel is the reason they think that way.

I dont usually talk it openly even though i partially believe such thing could happen as I did in a thread titled "Akudaya: myth or reality?". I simply decided to go with flow of methodical belief so as not to raise eyebrow. What do you think about this?.

@ikupakuti

Beautiful elucidations up there. Actually, many would ignorantly attribute so many things to those jinn, so much so that it increases them in kufr and shirk ( both the jinn and human seekers alike).

Like what you said, if Allah (swt) subdue them to human being like Prophet SULAIMAN (as), then that is best belt, but is that even feasible again? considering the prayer of Prophet SULAIMAN and what Holy Prophet (saw) said when he wanted to tie a jinn to the pillar of the mosque, remembering the prayer of prophet SULAIMAN.

This brings us to concept of TAWAKKAL and story of Prophet Ibrahim (as). We're made to understand that arch Angel Jubreel (as) came to rescue him from fire based on Allah's order. But, he refused, instead, saying Allah is SUFFICIENT for him (hasibunnallahu wanimawaiilu). And instantly, Allah commanded the fire to cool and be of safety for Prophet Ibrahim (as).

So what am I driving at, Allah alone we should strive to make our TARGET in seeking help even within human interaction. So if ALLAH (swt) deem it fit, HE can send angel or subdue jinn to us to help us out, but that should never be our FOCUS when make dua. Even, during mundane activities we should cultivate RELYING heavily on Allah when seeking help. LIKE BIRD who goes out in the morning and come back FILLED in the evening.

Is always a VEIL to look at on any other than Allah(swt) in our pentioning. This reminds me of one beautiful hadith, which says " we should seek help from Allah even if it lace if our shoe" (paraphrase). Meaning, even, in extremely small matters, we should always TURN to Allah(swt) ALONE.

ikupakuti:


That was in JABARUT. The JABARUT has 3 maqams sub-divided into 6 manzils as projected by the structure of the ISMUL ‘AZAM. The phrase “none may pass“ is in regards to the limits set for the angels. All the exclusive & high class aljannah ‘iliyyin, mahwa, firdaws, sidratul muntaha etc are all below the al-arsh. The al-arsh occupys the highest manzil in the JABARUT.

#Actually, the anecdote is a small one. It happend when I was still trying to find my way around the LOCI OF THE STARS & its algorithms. The preceeding day, I just finished extracting a circuit of it. So, I was meditating upon its wonders, I witnessed the gradation of the son of Da‘ud (as) from sidiqiyya (sainthood) to nubuwwa (prophethood). The rites were perfomed by the 4 arch-angels. So, the son of david was sitting on the treshold of an uncompleted building surrounded by the awtads (they stood right over him on 4 corners) while I watched. Al-amin (as) was leading the ritual (recitation), using the same circuit. So, Israfeel was pointing out every maqam attained during the gradation process, like “he is now @ this“.

So, when he said he‘s now in qutbaniyya, it caught my attention & I asked him “what concerns a prophet with qutbaniyya ?“

...and he replied “Indeed, every nabiyyi must practically pass through all the ranks in wilayya through nubuwwa without skipping a single one even if the gradation is going to endure for just a split of a second, there is no short-cut or by-pass whether the promotion is single or double or whatever “ . Let me stop here. Over to you.

That's great!

Really, it is heart opening seeing such high ranking angel.

Pls kindly give us more info on this. And more of such anecdote to learn from them.

Thanks

ikupakuti:
....the best approach when it comes to associating with them is to have them under ones feet like that of Sulaiman (as), as such, they dont have a say but to obey orders only. Had it been Sulaiman was on a partnership relationship with them & he made that request for the throne to be brought lols you will here some ridiculous terms & conditions like making sacrifice to them, obseving some hard devilish rules etc, inshort for that singular act of help, they‘ll make sure your good relationship with God is destroyed.

Another reason is that spiritual being have astonishing capabilities that might confuse an ignorant to believe them as all powerful. Just like some believed the jinns have the knowledge of gaib because they dont know how these jinns use to arrive @ their infos by going to the sky to decipher waves emanating from the top, so when they relay such info to an ignorant & pose as the allknowing, he‘ll surely believe so.

So, all acts of a believer are ibada since there is no fence when it comes to dealings with God. It is either one is on the rightside up or on the wrongside down. So whatever act one is on, its either one is earning reward or incuring the wrath of God. Intent is the yardstick.

Trust me, i certainly understood all this. That's why it is highly recommended and a MUST to invoke Allah only for proper guidance and guarantee result. My dad narrated to me how some of his friends would invoke Jinn and Jinn placed them on conditions. The conditions are usually OBVIOUS. This is the difference from righteous one. For instance, he said his friend was instructed by Jinn to run nake.d in the market daylight in order to fulfill his needs. Some are asked to defecate on Quran, have intercourse in the masjid etc. These are clear cut haram and result will be 100% negative. So i can understand why those scholars are skeptical. They simply take precautions but they gone too far declaring help from jinn, Angel as shirk. The most important thing is, people should not judge individual on it. It is btw him and Allah. There is a lot in dhirk which is beyond human comprehension.

A sheikh i watched in 2015 narrated his experience. His friend gave him some Allah's Names and Attribute to invoke for 7days in khalwa. He did it for 3 days and by the 4th day, a being appeared to him from nowhere and cancelled out something in his paper. Like crossing out a mistake. Sheikh said he asked him why he did that but he gave no answer, said no word. He was just looking at the Sheikh and then disappeared. Upon looking at the paper, he exclaimed "Allah Akbar" 3 times. what he saw was that he realized the 'being" that appeared to him actually corrected his mistake.

He gave example of the error. He said the man that gave him dua, instead of writing (for instance) "Ya Qoyum", he wrote "Ya Qiyam" but the Sheikh did not know. he was just reciting it like that for 3days until a being appeared to correct the error. He said the being crossed it out like this "Ya Qiyam" and wrote next to it "Ya Qayum". Off course, he did not correct the error with pen

Sheikh asked his audience, do you think that's human being?. He said this is haqiqa. Where are you gonna see this if you only use theoretical approach or pursue only theoretical knowledge?

@empiree,

The issue of akudaya, abiku, incarnation are real but not in the sense many people presume.

My mum was an abiku, she was born 7 good times by her mum before she finally stayed. But the truth of the matter is that most of these stunts are performed by the qareen of humans & the resident jinns. My grandmum used a burning wood to make an imprint on my mums left leg the second time she died @ infancy in order to identify her if she returns on the next birth. Of course she did return with the mark in all her subsequent returns until her final demise @ adulthood. She told us the story herself. There was a story of a boy also in Lag whom a certain hatimi was imprinted on his shoulderblade by his parents also for identification purposes & he did returned with it.

What happens during abiku/incarnation is when God uses the same qareen for several individual which is usually a norm, as such majority of traits are maintained. Also when one of such individual tunes into the realm of his qareen, he or she will feel the vibes of a past life, it depends on ability & how strong the connection is.

As for akuda, its just the mischievious practices of the imars. The akuda is just a vessel (body) & no true human. These jinn take the form of a deceased in order to live the life of a human. They are always aware when someone who knows “them“ approaches, they disappear or go to another location. That was why God in Q38:34 refered to the impostor of Sulaiman as a jasad (a common body) only & refused to acknowledge him as the human the people took him for: So its not the ruh of the dead person that occupies the new body but that of the jinn.

Yes, God does tranform wicked & devilish people to lesser creatures as told in the Quran where some people were reduced to apes for disobedience.

@empiree
Pls kindly help us mail the mod as @ikupakuti as been mistakenly banned by anti-spam boot. All his post has been hidden.

How did you rectify your case then? kindly assist in mailing the mods.

Thanks

Cc Seun, Sissie, mukina2, emekaraj

LadunaI:
@empiree
Pls kindly help us mail the mod as @ikupakuti as been mistakenly banned by anti-spam boot. All his post has been hidden.

How did you rectify your case then? kindly assist in mailing the mods.

Thanks

Cc Seun, Sissie, mukina2, emekaraj

I will contact sissie to restore his post

Thanks sissie.

I think ikupakuti's post has been partly restored

Empiree:
Thanks sissie.

I think ikupakuti's post has been partly restored

You welcome

ikupakuti:
@emp.iree,

The issue of akudaya, abiku, incarnation are real but not in the sense many people presume.

My mum was an abiku, she was born 7 good times by her mum before she finally stayed. But the truth of the matter is that most of these stunts are performed by the qareen of humans & the resident jinns. My grandmum used a burning wood to make an imprint on my mums left leg the second time she died @ infancy in order to identify her if she returns on the next birth. Of course she did return with the mark in all her subsequent returns until her final demise @ adulthood. She told us the story herself. There was a story of a boy also in Lag whom a certain hatimi was imprinted on his shoulderblade by his parents also for identification purposes & he did returned with it.

What happens during abiku/incarnation is when God uses the same qareen for several individual which is usually a norm, as such majority of traits are maintained. Also when one of such individual tunes into the realm of his qareen, he or she will feel the vibes of a past life, it depends on ability & how strong the connection is.

As for akuda, its just the mischievious practices of the imars. The akuda is just a vessel (body) & no true human. These jinn take the form of a deceased in order to live the life of a human. They are always aware when someone who knows “them“ approaches, they disappear or go to another location. That was why God in Q38:34 refered to the impostor of Sulaiman as a jasad (a common body) only & refused to acknowledge him as the human the people took him for: So its not the ruh of the dead person that occupies the new body but that of the jinn.

Yes, God does tranform wicked & devilish people to lesser creatures as told in the Quran where some people were reduced to apes for disobedience.

Subhannallah. Look how you gave some details. The verse you cited @bold, many would normally read over mechanically without in dept meaning. This is why I love people of tassawuf. There is a lot beyond human compression faah. Thanks

In another word, akuda thing is jinn network.

Sissie:


You welcome

Thanks that's very kind of you.

@empiree thats very kind of you too.

Thanks fam,
@LadunaI @empiree @sissie really appreciate. Thanks once again.

Empiree:
Subhannallah. Look how you have some details. The verse you cited @bold, many would normal read over mechanically without indept meaning. This is why I love people of tassawuf. There is a lot beyond human compression faah. Thanks

In another word, thing akuda thing is jinn network.

Thanks

Yeah its actually the pranks of the jinns.

^^^
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