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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 9:09pm On Apr 17, 2017
BascoVanVeli:


Zesco was in the semi finals of the champions league last year. For Africa they are a big club jare.
Well, it is either there is so much hype or the local teams are that bad. If you say Zesco is a big ten then I will not argue. But are they bigger than Ranger I mean, it seems our league is still growing or is outrightly poor. We don't even make any statement on the continent again. Same crap Kano pillars did some years back. It is better to say the truth even if it hurts so we can make corrections than give excuses and not improve. You can't give what you don't have. For us not have a good goalkeeper in the whole league that can step up to ikeme, or defenders and midfielders who can even stand out on the continent is not too good. How many home based players can make the current Super eagles bench? "
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 9:11pm On Apr 17, 2017
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Abeg help me beg Pep and his PA TheGoodJoe. Abi dem wan turn Pharaoh ni?

#PepLetIheanachoGo!

I learnt Papa Kelechi has joined voices with people that want Kelechi out of City.

Lol...that his father still want him to fight for his place...where he can't even make match day squad..


I just can't wait to watch that lad weekly score and make up goals
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:11pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


U just nailed it.

Iheanacho, if he remains at City next season, is very likely to get less game time than he is even getting this season. The World Cup is next year. Are we going to field a non-playing striker?

See, I don't care about City or Pep's philosophy.
That one concern them. I am concerned more about Rohr's philosophy and plans for the Super Eagles. If Rohr's Philosophy and plan will lead to iheanacho moving to a club that will give him playing time and also ensure his development I am OK.

We are tired of all these talks of drills without game time abeg. At this stage we should be analysing Iheanacho's goals and assists and not all these drills, drills, drills and bench talks.

What concerns me is Iheanacho becoming a better player in the near future. If rushing him to a team that will diminish him in the name of looking for goals and assists, I am wholeheartedly against it.

The whole game time thing has been blown of the map with Iwobi and Ighalo deteriorating with game time. It is misleading.

What is most important is Iheanacho's continuous development.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:11pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
What else is there to add about Ikeme if not that Akpeyi would be in goal yet again?


We can talk and shout all we want but we have said it already.... alampasu and Nwokolor and Emma Daniel are the best young goalies we have right now.... but will any get the nod to start in a competitive game when Rohr has not seen them in a friendly esp. when he has Akpeyi who has kept goal against Algeria and Senegal under Rohr and also against Egypt under Siasia??

And the Kelechi matter is very important biko.... we are talking of one of Nigeria's brightest young talents in this upcoming generation. It is as important as that Gk position because whether we like it or not or you like or not... he remains our biggest goal threat and it is important we talk about his future.



Talking about Kelechi and his next destination or if he stays at City or not is not exactly of importance now because the transfer window opens in August. This season have not even been concluded.
It's just the condition we find ourself is quite dire. If Ighalo, Ideye and Emenike had lived up to expectations and became really world class, we wouldn't even be talking about Kelechi leading our attack at the world cup. He would have just been a sub where he won't be under immense pressure to deliver. He's still learning afterall and men's world cup us men's world cup.


The Gk issue remains a big worry if Enyeama don't come back. In Africa you need a world class Gk performance to get a result, especially away from home. I don't know how well Akpeyi and co will cope judging by the lack of confidence Nigerians and even the technical crew seem to have about them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 9:14pm On Apr 17, 2017
daveP:
I like his strength on the ball.
the guy is good....I just pray we will be able to snap him from England because the chances are slim
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:14pm On Apr 17, 2017
Humility017:


Lol...that his father still want him to fight for his place...where he can't even make match day squad..


I just can't wait to watch that lad weekly score and make up goals

Pogba could not make match day squad a lot of time of Manchester United and hardly started a game. When he went to Juventus, he was head and shoulders over a lot of players who had regular game time.

Same goes to Pique who hardly had game time but went on loan to Zaragoza and was one of the best defenders in La Liga. He came back to Manchester United and hardly got game time, went to Barcelona and was a key player of the six title winning Barca squad.

Game time is misleading.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:15pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Chinedu Ogbuke Obasi also played for Hoffenheim.

Yeah.

That was about the first thing I remembered as I read that article.

TheGoodJoe, sincerely speaking, I feel Iheanacho needs that game time now. He will turn 21 later this year. Comparing him with other great players at 21 you'll find out Iheanacho is yet to take off. At 21 Nigerian strikers like Kanu, Martins, Yakubu and Utaka, were already killing defenses.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:18pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


Yeah.

That was about the first thing I remembered as I read that article.

TheGoodJoe, sincerely speaking, I feel Iheanacho needs that game time now. He will turn 21 later this year. Comparing him with other great players at 21 you'll find out Iheanacho is yet to take off. At 21 Nigerian strikers like Kanu, Martins, Yakubu and Utaka, were already killing defenses.

21 is still formative. Iheanacho is only not playing because of the quality ahead of him. Not that he is not quality or improving. With a few run of games, people will see his quality.

What is most important is him working hard on improving. Just as we saw in Delph, if a player has improved, it will show.

He still has my blessings if he wants to take the Hoffenheim deal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:20pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


What concerns me is Iheanacho becoming a better player in the near future. If rushing him to a team that will diminish him in the name of looking for goals and assists, I am wholeheartedly against it.

The whole game time thing has been blown of the map with Iwobi and Ighalo deteriorating with game time. It is misleading.

What is most important is Iheanacho's continuous development.

Hey Iwobi is not deteriorating IMO. He is just burnt out. He was a regular for Arsenal to close to 3/4 of the season. He is a young player and so needs that time out now. I believe we'll see a rejuvenated Iwobi next season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:23pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


Hey Iwobi is not deteriorating IMO. He is just burnt out. He was a regular for Arsenal to close to 3/4 of the season. He is a young player and so needs that time out now. I believe we'll see a rejuvenated Iwobi next season.

I do not buy the burnt out excuse. Fabregas did more for Arsenal at about the same age and never got burnt out. Iwobi needs to examine himself and find out where he is lacking. He needs to fix it soon. If it means spending more time with the U23 coach, so be it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:26pm On Apr 17, 2017
You are doing the best you can to subtly belittle this Lad Called Kelechi Iheanacho.....

What do you mean by Men's world cup is Men's world cup??

Pele at 17, Muller at 20, Klose at 21 or so.... all were "men" abi??

Ighalo and Ideye and even Emenike were never close to world class... so live with it.... Kelechi is the best we have got.... whether you like it or not ...

And he will be one of the team's leaders at the World cup.... at his young age... so brace yourself for that and stop belittling the young man...

Guys like Tammy and Osimhen will still come in and hopefully live up to their "world class" potentials...


And about The GK role... it is what it is right now. enyeama is still forming James Bond citing someone in the NFF as his reason for not wanting to come back "yet", Akpeyi looks like our most likely goalie if Ikeme doesn't recover on time.... or else Rohr wanna surprise us all and hand a debut to a rookie... in goal.

And the goalkeeper role is the most sensitive of a team's defence. So we can only hope and watch for now.... coz unless something happens... then Akpeyi it is... as much as I hate the admission of it. sad



goldfish80:

Talking about Kelechi and his next destination or if he stays at City or not is not exactly of importance now because the transfer window opens in August. This season have not even been concluded.
It's just the condition we find ourself is quite dire. If Ighalo, Ideye and Emenike had lived up to expectations and became really world class, we wouldn't even be talking about Kelechi leading our attack at the world cup. He would have just been a sub where he won't be under immense pressure to deliver. He's still learning afterall and men's world cup us men's world cup.


The Gk issue remains a big worry if Enyeama don't come back. In Africa you need a world class Gk performance to get a result, especially away from home. I don't know how well Akpeyi and co will cope judging by the lack of confidence Nigerians and even the technical crew seem to have about them.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:30pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


21 is still formative. Iheanacho is only not playing because of the quality ahead of him. Not that he is not quality or improving. With a few run of games, people will see his quality.

What is most important is him working hard on improving. Just as we saw in Delph, if a player has improved, it will show.

He still has my blessings if he wants to take the Hoffenheim deal.

U saw the quality in the inter Milan attack when a 21yrs old Obafemi Martins took Europe by storm.

I hope you recall Kanu Nwankwo won the champions league as a 19yrs old. Not as a bench warmer but a starter in that Stars studded Ajax team.

Utaka at 21yrs was already the leading African striker in a French league that is flooded with West African talents.

Time is ticking.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:32pm On Apr 17, 2017
Gbamm!!!


Kita ki bia Chief..... grin

But shaa ooo... Drogba's light began to shine at age 24-25.... But again well said biko.... smiley



Icon4s:


U saw the quality in the inter Milan attack when a 21yrs old Obafemi Martins took Europe by storm.

I hope you recall Kanu Nwankwo won the champions league as a 19yrs old. Not as a bench warmer but a starter in that Stars studded Ajax team.

Utaka at 21yrs was already the leading African striker in a French league that is flooded with West African talents.

Time is ticking.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:42pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
Gbamm!!!


Kita ki bia Chief..... grin

But shaa ooo... Drogba's light began to shine at age 24-25.... But again well said biko.... smiley


Drogba's case is just an exception. More over Drogba never had the opportunity to start at the stage Iheanacho started. He probably would have started shinning earlier.
Samuel Eto'o at 21 was already tearing defenses apart.

Iheanacho was an U17 champion and MVP. Got himself into one of the best football academies in the world.

4 yrs after that his mind blowing performance at U17 he should by now be tearing defenses.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:43pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


U saw the quality in the inter Milan attack when a 21yrs old Obafemi Martins took Europe by storm.

I hope you recall Kanu Nwankwo won the champions league as a 19yrs old. Not as a bench warmer but a starter in that Stars studded Ajax team.

Utaka at 21yrs was already the leading African striker in a French league that is flooded with West African talents.

Time is ticking.

Time is ticking but Martins early exploit at Inter Milan did not culminate in him becoming one of the best hitmen in the history of the game. That is what I am pointing at. The hype does not mean development.

Development is reaching a level where he is operating at the best of his abilities. Martins did not reach it despite ticking early.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:45pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


Drogba's case is just an exception. More over Drogba never had the opportunity to start at the stage Iheanacho started. He probably would have started shinning earlier.

Iheanacho was an U17 champion and MVP. Got himself into one of the best football academies in the world.

4 yrs after that his mind blowing performance at U17 he should by now be tearing defenses.

That time will come but Iheanacho has room for improvement. When he gets his run, it will be explosive.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:45pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
BABY MOURINHO who thinks he invented Football.


'What kind of nutcase are you?' Schmidt yelled. 'Do you think you invented football? Shut your mouth.'


That was former manager of Bayer Leverkusen yelling at Julian Nagelsmann, the coach known as the one in hunt for the signature of the promising Nigerian striker Iheanacho. This is just a snap view of what makes this young coach, youngest in the history of the Bundesliga when he became head coach of Hoffenheim at 28 years old, a good destination for Nacho.

Nagelsmann is a coach who worked under the promising Tuchel who is respected for his possessive style of play and eyes for promising young talents. His team plays at tremendous pace.

After Nagelsmann suffered knee injuries that put an end to his playing career, Tuchel who was coach of Ausburg gave Nagelsmann a job as club scout and part of his technical analysis crew. Nagelsmann was just 20.

He later became a youth coach at Hoffenheim and had a successful spell, including lifting the title. That was where he was dubbed the Baby Mourinho.

He rejected a job at Bayern Munich to work with their youth team and got an almost impossible task to save Hoffenheim from relegation. Being the youngest coach in the history of Bundesliga, this looked impossible.

Nagelsmann did not only save Hoffenheim, they now sit third on the Bundesliga table. This is remarkable considering he is 29 now.

A coach to watch out for. He plays a high intensity pressing style like Klopp when his team loses the ball. He also likes his team to keep possession like Guardiola and Tuchel.

With his history as a scout and working Tuchel who is good at Managing young talents, he seems a man who can spot quality young talents.

With his ability to transform a relegation threatened club into a team close to qualifying for the champions league in few months, it shows Nagelsmann has a lot to offer the game of football.

He may not have invented football but he is inventing something special.

If Nacho wants to make a move from City, I see Hoffenheim as a right direction.

I am suspecting Rohr who has deep knowledge in German Youth football.


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If Nacho would be guaranteed playing time regularly then he should consider the move because all I want is our players playing regularly before the World Cup next year. That's all.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:45pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Time is ticking but Martins early exploit at Inter Milan did not culminate in him becoming one of the best hitmen in the history of the game. That is what I am pointing at. The hype does not mean development.

Development is reaching a level where he is operating at the best of his abilities. Martins did not reach it despite ticking early.

What of Kanu and Eto'o?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:46pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


What concerns me is Iheanacho becoming a better player in the near future. If rushing him to a team that will diminish him in the name of looking for goals and assists, I am wholeheartedly against it.

The whole game time thing has been blown of the map with Iwobi and Ighalo deteriorating with game time. It is misleading.

What is most important is Iheanacho's continuous development.
I see you always mention Iwobi when you want to justify Iheanacho sitting in the stands.....

Truth is that Iwobi did not detoriate because he's playing. Rather I think Iwobi's form have been inconsistent lately because of fatigue.
This is his first full season as a professional and he has played 80% of matches this season when you factor in national team assignments, the numbers are venue higher. Arsenal seem to have noticed he is in the red zone and gradually withdrew him from the front lines, he needs a rest . He's just 20 afterall.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:47pm On Apr 17, 2017
Abeg Egbon plsss chop knuckle jare..... ur head dey dia.... smiley



forgiveness:


If Nacho would be guaranteed playing time regularly then he should consider the move because all is our players playing regularly before the World Cup next year. That's all.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:48pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


That time will come but Iheanacho has room for improvement. When he gets his run, it will be explosive.

Gabriel Jesus will be back next season and Pep is eyeing a big striker purchase against next season.

Make Iheanacho no expire before Pep throws him into the market o.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:49pm On Apr 17, 2017
bia Sir TheGoodJoe.... abeg stop this talk of Iwobi deteriorating.....
me I don't find it funny anymore ooooo.... angry
Na because you wan justify "Drilling time"?? sad
Bia Sir GoodJoe... take ya time oooo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:49pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


What of Kanu and Eto'o?

Eto'o not playing regularly at Real Madrid did not stop his development. When he got his run of games, he excelled.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:51pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
bia Sir TheGoodJoe.... abeg stop this talk of Iwobi deteriorating.....

me I don't find it funny anymore ooooo.... angry

Na because you wan justify "Drilling time"?? sad

Bia Sir GoodJoe... take ya time oooo

I just want people to understand playing time is no guarantee for improvement. Iwobi is one of the Special creations of football and I know he can do better. However, he has to deal with other factors aside from game time to reach his height.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:51pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


Just like Sunshine stars were in the semi finals about 3yrs ago. Would you say they are big club in Africa?

Or, comparing apple for apple, would u say they were a big club in Africa 2 yrs ago?

Yea but Zesco is still playing in the continent unlike the sunshine stars.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:51pm On Apr 17, 2017
Oga Sir.... abeg oooo.... make him no expire oooo.... hian! Sir TheGoodJoe... u sef... u sef angry

I prefer the Hoffenheim move to nacho staying another season at City just attending philosophy, Drilling and Training classes.... and backing it up with benchwork exercise....


abeg.... #LetMyNachoGo


Icon4s:


Gabriel Jesus will be back next season and Pep is eyeing a big striker purchase against next season.

Make Iheanacho no expire before Pep throws him into the market o.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:52pm On Apr 17, 2017
Icon4s:


Gabriel Jesus will be back next season and Pep is eyeing a big striker purchase against next season.

Make Iheanacho no expire before Pep throws him into the market o.

As long as Nacho works hard and keeps perfecting his craft, he will not expire. Players do not expire like that. Ask Lukaku.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:53pm On Apr 17, 2017
goldfish80:

I see you always mention Iwobi when you want to justify Iheanacho sitting in the stands.....

Truth is that Iwobi did not detoriate because he's playing. Rather I think Iwobi's form have been inconsistent lately because of fatigue.
This is his first full season as a professional and he has played 80% of matches this season when you factor in national team assignments, the numbers are venue higher. Arsenal seem to have noticed he is in the red zone and gradually withdrew him from the front lines, he needs a rest . He's just 20 afterall.

O may you live long sir!

Tell TheGoodJoe that Iheanacho is deteriorating due to lack of game time now him go set karate for you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:55pm On Apr 17, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
You are doing the best you can to subtly belittle this Lad Called Kelechi Iheanacho.....

What do you mean by Men's world cup is Men's world cup??

Pele at 17, Muller at 20, Klose at 21 or so.... all were "men" abi??

Ighalo and Ideye and even Emenike were never close to world class... so live with it.... Kelechi is the best we have got.... whether you like it or not ...

And he will be one of the team's leaders at the World cup.... at his young age... so brace yourself for that and stop belittling the young man...

Guys like Tammy and Osimhen will still come in and hopefully live up to their "world class" potentials...


And about The GK role... it is what it is right now. enyeama is still forming James Bond citing someone in the NFF as his reason for not wanting to come back "yet", Akpeyi looks like our most likely goalie if Ikeme doesn't recover on time.... or else Rohr wanna surprise us all and hand a debut to a rookie... in goal.

And the goalkeeper role is the most sensitive of a team's defence. So we can only hope and watch for now.... coz unless something happens... then Akpeyi it is... as much as I hate the admission of it. sad



Nobody is belittling anyone. Its very convenient to mention Pele and cite Maradona but truth remains that the world cup is not exactly a playing ground for young lads. Italy had to recall a certain Del Piero and Totti to pilot their 2006 world cup ambitions. Even Germany recalled Miroslav Klose for the Brazil mundial. These are facts,if our older strikers were up and doing, Kelechi would have still be playing second fiddle to them.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:55pm On Apr 17, 2017
goldfish80:

I see you always mention Iwobi when you want to justify Iheanacho sitting in the stands.....

Truth is that Iwobi did not detoriate because he's playing. Rather I think Iwobi's form have been inconsistent lately because of fatigue.
This is his first full season as a professional and he has played 80% of matches this season when you factor in national team assignments, the numbers are venue higher. Arsenal seem to have noticed he is in the red zone and gradually withdrew him from the front lines, he needs a rest . He's just 20 afterall.

Tell that to Iniesta who played regularly for Club and country at a young age. What of Xavi? Or Gerard or Scholes.

Young players have played instrumental roles in clubs. Iwobi needs to know that he needs to keep working hard to remain on top. No time for too much play.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 9:56pm On Apr 17, 2017
Humility017:

the guy is good....I just pray we will be able to snap him from England because the chances are slim
I dunno for all these guys, do they think the english fa are willing to become a 2nd 'france team'?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:57pm On Apr 17, 2017
goldfish80:

Nobody is belittling anyone. Its very convenient to mention Pele and cite Maradona but truth remains that the world cup is not exactly a playing ground for young lads. Italy had to recall a certain Del Piero and Totti to pilot their 2006 world cup ambitions. Even Germany recalled Miroslav Klose for the Brazil mundial. These are facts,if our older strikers were up and doing, Kelechi would have still be playing second fiddle to them.

James Rodriguez, Neymar and Ozil are recent examples of young players that took the World Cup with a raging storm. Maradona and Pele are too far.

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