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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:48pm On Apr 23, 2017
Henry240:


This seems like a joke, what country is this from?

moroccan FBI , it seems they dont found something to show in the house of the suspects
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 6:57pm On Apr 23, 2017
chkil0:
what danegrous evidences , i can find the same things in the bottom of one of my drawers grin

some old phones , old tv remote control with batteries ,
owner must be an engineer grin grin grin grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:01pm On Apr 23, 2017
Airborne360:
hehe hehe trust really boring yesterday, strapped on waiting on the tamac and those BH nor gree show face for boys to light fireworks grin
Hahaha their dads.... I thought those magas were not scared of death, maybe they heard you
were on duty grin grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:23pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force Day Celebration

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:33pm On Apr 23, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

Hahaha their dads.... I thought those magas were not scared of death, maybe they heard you
were on duty grin grin

Have you watched that NAF documentary?

I missed it, and have been searching for a web link.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:34pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force L-39za

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:43pm On Apr 23, 2017
Henry240:


Have you watched that NAF documentary?

I missed it, and have been searching for a web link.
Is it the one titled "AF CONTRIBUTIONS TO NATIONAL SECURITY FROM 1964 ~ 2017 to mark the 53rd NAF Anniversary" ?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:21pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force Alpha Jet

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:22pm On Apr 23, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

Is it the one titled "AF CONTRIBUTIONS TO NATIONAL SECURITY FROM 1964 ~ 2017 to mark the 53rd NAF Anniversary" ?

Yeah, that.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 8:27pm On Apr 23, 2017
61mech:

The 90mm had a canister round that was devastating against infantry.
You need a mix of 20-30mm and 76-90-105mm for a good fire belt shoot.
In my opinion the SANDF made a mistake in selecting the 30mm for the fire support Badger. They should have used the old 90mm with 2x igwe's in that turret. They are saying the 60mm can be elevated low for that job, but it doesn't always occupy the battlespace where that's needed.

I'd generally agree with this sentiment.

The Brazilians created a pretty good turret which mated a 90mm gun to an ATGM launcher and I wished that was the way the Badger would go.

The 60mm gun-mortar is useless against dug in troops, buildings, static fortifications, and other "hard targets" which is why a large calibre weapons system capable of fulfilling the assault gun type role would be more useful.

However, the mortar can indeed be used in that role if it were up-gunned and capable of firing HEAT ammunition like the LAV-M with the British 120mm mortar by Delco and Royal Ordnance. This thing has been used by the Saudis in Yemen and capable of flattening structures, older tanks, and infantry alike. It's both an assault gun and a mortar.

Actually I thought that Denel would go for something like that if they really wanted a multipurpose mortar for the Badger, it really surprised me when I heard they were sticking with a longer barrelled 60mm.

Pictures of the Brazilian turret (first two) and the LAV-M mortar combination (second two) below:

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:29pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force Colour Party

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 8:45pm On Apr 23, 2017
61mech:
I was referring to the fire support version of the Badger, not the IFV. The 30mm is more than adequate for a IFV. I'm especially pleased they stuck with a feed system that can be replenished one round at a time from inside the turret.
I would have preferred they went with the original 35mm emak as planned though. Why go for the current standard if you could leapfrog a generation.

The Emak 35 was also capable of upgrading to a 50mm supershot by just changing the barrel. The 35/50mm caliber is much deadlier than 30mm for AAA use. The US has even developed a beam riding guided 50mm round for it. Modern fire control makes IFV's as deadly in the AAA role as dedicated 1980's AAA.

As for fire support. We used the Ratel 90 for fire support even when the Rooikat was available. Remember the Rooikat's original mission was recon and probing actions. They would raid deep or into the flanks using their manoeuvrability. Think of it more of a cavalry vehicle like the US army uses in their armoured formations.
We did use them as fire support, but the KAT's speed is wasted if you pair it with a 6x6 Ratel. From operating nxt to them Heg/Steg i'd say the KAT was at least 2x faster.

Don't underestimate that 90mm. There are many a T-55/65 crew who did to their peril. The 90 could hit out to 2km and the low recoil meant you could stick it in a IFV platform and load a lot of rounds. Keep in mind that a technical with a ZU23 has nowhere near that range, because its such an unstable platform.
You're supposed to peg it to the ground when emplaced. You might get round 1 in the belt near me, but the nxt one is going to land in another country. On top of that it has to stop to fire and is un-armoured, so I just have to get close with my HE to perforate you.

For fire support you ideally need a vehicle that's built on the same platform as your IFV for logistics reasons and can be permanently attached to your mech infantry. Giving it the same gun is pointless as the whole idea of it is to take on targets like bunkers, buildings, walls etc. that the 30mm can't. Another thing most people don't consider is how much damage you can do to your own guys if you shoot 105/120mm close to your infantry. I have permanent hearing loss in my right ear from being too close to a olifant 105mm when it went off. They were supposed to use their horn before they fired. I came to with my face in the ground, a concussion,blown eardrum and unable to breath. Walked around like a zombie for 30mins.
Consider that when you shoot a gun like that , you are burning enough propellent to make pipe bomb that would absolutely flatten a big house. Now you are squeezing all that explosive energy through a hole not much more than 10cm across.
The 90mm was mounted much higher and you could hanearly ve guys nxt to it when it went of without it taking out half the section.

Was the EMAK-35 developed or based from the SPAAG'S 35mm guns. They produced muzzle velocity almost the same as the EMAK-30.

They also had the GAMA I wonder if the Rooivalk was the reason for it to be thrown into the freezer too. As there was no need to mount weapons on the A109 LUH to replace the Alloute gunships.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:07pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force MI-35m Attack Helicopter wink wink

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:13pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force MI-35m Attack Helicopter armed with Ataka ATGMs cool cool cool

Super Sweet!!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:15pm On Apr 23, 2017
Nigerian Air Force locally built Gulma UAV

Platform profile

Maximum Take-Off weight - 40kg
Maximum Altitude - 10,000ft
Cruising speed - 88.5 Knots
Endurance - 8 hours
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Engine - 17hp
Structure - fully composite
Flight - Day and Night capable
Avionics -


Brilliant UAV, I love it! cool cool

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Xbee007(m): 9:22pm On Apr 23, 2017
Is this the NAF documentary you have all been talking about?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9GnghBbIZc

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ActivateKruger: 9:37pm On Apr 23, 2017
Hrmnn:


I'd generally agree with this sentiment.

The Brazilians created a pretty good turret which mated a 90mm gun to an ATGM launcher and I wished that was the way the Badger would go.

The 60mm gun-mortar is useless against dug in troops, buildings, static fortifications, and other "hard targets" which is why a large calibre weapons system capable of fulfilling the assault gun type role would be more useful.

However, the mortar can indeed be used in that role if it were up-gunned and capable of firing HEAT ammunition like the LAV-M with the British 120mm mortar by Delco and Royal Ordnance. This thing has been used by the Saudis in Yemen and capable of flattening structures, older tanks, and infantry alike. It's both an assault gun and a mortar.

Actually I thought that Denel would go for something like that if they really wanted a multipurpose mortar for the Badger, it really surprised me when I heard they were sticking with a longer barrelled 60mm.

Pictures of the Brazilian turret (first two) and the LAV-M mortar combination (second two) below:

You should keep in mind that the Redcat still fires 76/105mm. It can accompany the Badger for fire support.

If you're replacing over a 1000 Ratels with a few hundred Badgers then you gotta make compromise on other things and keep what you need and that's the 30mm and ATGM because you can substitute everything else with what you already have.

Below, the Rooikat providing fire support to the Motorised.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:54pm On Apr 23, 2017
Submarines hangar , and type 209 Egyptians Navy

30600 m² for the hangar

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:59pm On Apr 23, 2017
Somali national army

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 10:40pm On Apr 23, 2017
Xbee007:
Is this the NAF documentary you have all been talking about?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9GnghBbIZc
Very professionally​ done
Nigerian Army
Nigerian Navy
Take note
God bless the NAF
God bless the Federal Govt of Nigeria
Amen .

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:20pm On Apr 23, 2017
sukhoi 30 MKA , Algerian AF

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by oyinpr(m): 11:41pm On Apr 23, 2017
Xbee007:
Is this the NAF documentary you have all been talking about?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9GnghBbIZc
see my eyes filled with tears of joy...Gentlemen plsss 3 hearty Cheers for my father's Airforce

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 1:16am On Apr 24, 2017
ActivateKruger:


You should keep in mind that the Redcat still fires 76/105mm. It can accompany the Badger for fire support.

If you're replacing over a 1000 Ratels with a few hundred Badgers then you gotta make compromise on other things and keep what you need and that's the 30mm and ATGM because you can substitute everything else with what you already have.

Below, the Rooikat providing fire support to the Motorised.

I completely agree the lack of a dedicated assault gun/infantry support variant is not the most pressing concern for the Badger fleet since the Rooikat can be used in that role.

However, according to my understanding that's not the Rooikat's job. It is supposed to provide reconnaissance and undertake flanking actions as needed, not spend all its time backing up the Badgers and infantry.

The Rooikat was not designed as a replacement for the Ratel-90's role and shouldn't be regarded as such.

Incidentally, you mentioned substituting what we already have...that shouldn't be an issue if one puts the existing 90mm turret on the Badger.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 2:08am On Apr 24, 2017
Henry240:
Nigerian Air Force L-39za

It took Nigeria so loooooong to weaponise a trainer/ ground attack jet. This is the real Boko killer if Good targeting systems are added
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Stephandeswardt: 2:29am On Apr 24, 2017
Henry240:
Nigerian Air Force MI-35m Attack Helicopter armed with Ataka ATGMs cool cool cool

Super Sweet!!

For once we are buying the full option aircraft.....not a basic model

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 3:22am On Apr 24, 2017
chkil0:
Submarines hangar , and type 209 Egyptians Navy

30600 m² for the hangar

I can see a DJI

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nok234: 3:34am On Apr 24, 2017
Xbee007:
Is this the NAF documentary you have all been talking about?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9GnghBbIZc

NAF are the best !!!

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