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Odunayaw

I don't throw insults, i see no need for that on the internet. I usually leave the insult slinging to the retards. (They know themselves).

Anyway moving on. To answer your question, The NAF Purchased 12 Chengdu F-7 Interceptors and 3 FT-7 DUAL SEAT TRAINERS. incase you didnt know.

secondly, The F-7 is a Mig-21 clone out of a long line of clones. It was a defective aircraft from the start although it was good at dog-fighting other less modern aircraft. Its nose is way to small to mount any decent air-air radar system (forget the outdated grifon radar). It has no look down. shoot down capability, it has extremely short combat radius. Questionable BVR missile capability, t'was optimised for GCI only operation during its early years. its un-reliable, (we already lost four -- incase you dont know thats a lot considering how many we have).

well i don't fault the plane because that what we deserve for choosing mediocrity.

But how come your men prefer attacking people instead of reasoning first? I clearly stated 'an airforce of trainer and transport plane' which is TOTALLY CORRECT yet they didn't blink just jump into the attack. so expectantly!!

TO BUTTRESS MY POINT TO THOSE WHO CANT THINK. WE HAVE FOUR TRAINER PLATFORMS AND ONE INTERCEPTOR PLATFORM.

L-39ZA
Dassault Alpha jet
Aermacchi MB-339
Chengdu FT-7

WHILE HAVING MORE THAN EIGHT TRANSPORT PLATFORMS.
ATR 42
Boeing 737
C-130 Hercules
Aeritalia G.222
Dornier 28
Dornier Do 228
Super King Air
Fslcon 7X

plus others
so my assertion was spot on.

lionel4power:

what is incorrect here?
As.sli.cking aside am i not correct? we have more trainers and transport planes than the whole west African air force combined. Instead of your men to reason objectively they just jumped into the attack. Its so predictable. Even the Air force guys don't defend the Air Force as much as they do.

We are waiting for the "three seater JF13"

lionel4power:
Odunayaw


plus others[/i]
so my assertion was spot on.

its smthn we all know the f7 is no holy Grail nor was it created so

Now,ur assertion was wrong and there is no sugarcoating -(seeing u just added T to F-7 in this post),we lost all FT-7s (further proving yu r wrong by adding d j-7)

you still didn't do justice to my challenge earlier on

anyway enuf of d matter,we r dedicating too much tym on nothing

upko1

We are waiting for the "three seater JF13"

Odunayaw:
its smthn we all know the f7 is no holy Grail nor was it created so

Now,ur assertion was wrong and there is no sugarcoating -(seeing u just added T to F-7 in this post),we lost all FT-7s (further proving yu r wrong by adding d j-7)

you still didn't do justice to my challenge earlier on

anyway enuf of d matter,we r dedicating too much tym on nothing

the only thing that will silence me from speaking the truth is if somebody tells me right here that CRITICISM is not allowed.


Haba i praise the armed force guys a lot but how come am not allowed to criticise?

Weapons recovered from terrorists

lionel4power:
the only thing that will silence me from speaking the truth is if somebody tells me right here that CRITICISM is not allowed.


Haba i praise the armed force guys a lot but how come am not allowed to criticise?

Weapons recovered from terrorists

Toh ba damuwa

lionel4power:
Odunayaw

I don't throw insults, i see no need for that on the internet. I usually leave the insult slinging to the retards. (They know themselves).

Anyway moving on. To answer your question, The NAF Purchased 12 Chengdu F-7 Interceptors and 3 FT-7 DUAL SEAT TRAINERS. incase you didnt know.

secondly, The F-7 is a Mig-21 clone out of a long line of clones. It was a defective aircraft from the start although it was good at dog-fighting other less modern aircraft. Its nose is way to small to mount any decent air-air radar system (forget the outdated grifon radar). It has no look down. shoot down capability, it has extremely short combat radius. Questionable BVR missile capability, t'was optimised for GCI only operation during its early years. its un-reliable, (we already lost four -- incase you dont know thats a lot considering how many we have).

well i don't fault the plane because that what we deserve for choosing mediocrity.

But how come your men prefer attacking people instead of reasoning first? I clearly stated 'an airforce of trainer and transport plane' which is TOTALLY CORRECT yet they didn't blink just jump into the attack. so expectantly!!

TO BUTTRESS MY POINT TO THOSE WHO CANT THINK. WE HAVE FOUR TRAINER PLATFORMS AND ONE INTERCEPTOR PLATFORM.

L-39ZA
Dassault Alpha jet
Aermacchi MB-339
Chengdu FT-7

WHILE HAVING MORE THAN EIGHT TRANSPORT PLATFORMS.
ATR 42
Boeing 737
C-130 Hercules
Aeritalia G.222
Dornier 28
Dornier Do 228
Super King Air
Fslcon 7X

plus others
so my assertion was spot on.

Ahah kai... Look you said it your self 4 diferent training platform... Buying military equipment is not like going to the market you cant buy what ever you want at any moment ... Marshall said it even if you have the cash they wont sell it to you... We buy what we can but things are slowly changing... Everybody knows that we have to standardise everything thats why many things are being done.. Look at how we struggle to buy super tucano ... Tucano a COIN jet ... But yet blok two times by the us goverment and this time maybe we will get them ... We had Jags what happen ? Brand new and one of the best if not the best at the time what happen ? You must understand the situation and be grateful to our pilots than saying those kind of stuff. Ask everybody yes we all want F-22 in the inventory but we all know that it is dificult. Time to time we are all frustrated, but dont expose it everywhere.... And you must appreciate when something good is being done... Right now the Air Force is far better than few years back... We see many made in Nigeria product the best strategy for having a good air force, we are going to build a Prop/transport plane... If you look at our new acquisition is very standardise Attack Heli ( omly MI 35M ) good infrastructure for the personel, Special Forces.. Even in communication look at the media they are more professional.. modern stuff all over the place and this is the begining... so stop pls.. In few years you will see how the air force will be .. And our armed forces at large. And we are 4th strongest military in africa according to Global fire power...

GENTLEMAN LIONEL/SIMBA STOP DERAILING THE
THREAD, THREAD IS FOR PICS & NOT LAMENTATION

Nok234:


Ahah kai... Look you said it your self 4 diferent training platform... Buying military equipment is not like going to the market you cant buy what ever you want at any moment ... Marshall said it even if you have the cash they wont sell it to you... We buy what we can but things are slowly changing... Everybody knows that we have to standardise everything thats why many things are being done.. Look at how we struggle to buy super tucano ... Tucano a COIN jet ... But yet blok two times by the us goverment and this time maybe we will get them ... We had Jags what happen ? Brand new and one of the best if not the best at the time what happen ? You must understand the situation and be grateful to our pilots than saying those kind of stuff. Ask everybody yes we all want F-22 in the inventory but we all know that it is dificult. Time to time we are all frustrated, but dont expose it everywhere.... And you must appreciate when something good is being done... Right now the Air Force is far better than few years back... We see many made in Nigeria product the best strategy for having a good air force, we are going to build a Prop/transport plane... If you look at our new acquisition is very standardise Attack Heli ( omly MI 35M ) good infrastructure for the personel, Special Forces.. Even in communication look at the media they are more professional.. modern stuff all over the place and this is the begining... so stop pls.. In few years you will see how the air force will be .. And our armed forces at large. And we are 4th strongest military in africa according to Global fire power...

this is the last am commenting onthis topic.

sincerely i know how things are with buying and integrating new modern military technology. I know that it is difficult, with the ever dwindling funds availaible. Plus world politicking et al... Believe it or not few people here follow defense related news and information online more than me--insults aside. Heck i even have a military news blog. so i know what am talking about.

The problem is not with me but with some people here who don't want a contradictory response. When they say Nigeria is the best in the world we should all shout 'YESSIR!!' when deep down we know that we are seriously lacking. I just posted a honest-to-God comment based on our fighter to TRAINER/TRANSPORT ratio and i was expecting a really intelligent counter-argument instead all i got was a fast screeching dive-bombing assault from the Nigerian Defense forces guys here.


Ask them to rein-in their horses instead and not me.

Cameroon Airforce Dassault AlphaJet NGEA (Nouvelle Génération École/Appui) or MS2 as commonly known. It differs from other versions Alpha Jets such as the A and the E by the addition of a laser range finder on the nose. This gives the Alpha Jet MS2 or NGEA an advantage during ground attacks. There is also the addition of;
-A glass cockpit,
-A Thomson CSF VE-110 head-up display (HUD),
-SAGEM ULISS 81 inertial navigation
system (INS),
-Thomson CSF/CNI AHV-9 radar altimeter,
-SFIM CG90 back-up heading reference sensor.
All this additional sensors permits the aircraft to have air to ground options such as;
-Continuously computed impact point (CCIP),
-Delayed CCIP
-Continuously computed release point (CCRP),
-CCRP/Initial Point.
The weapon load for this version are Marvrick Air to Surface Missiles, Exocet Anti Ship Missile, Rockets and Laser Guided Bombs.For air to air missions they can carry 2 Magic II or III missiles or AIM-9 Sidewinders.
This versions were exported to 2 countries only CAMEROON and EGYPT
Thanks for reading.

lionel4power:
JF17B first flight

The plane is looking too Chinesey for my liking.
The plane go fit fight so?

if someone here is lamenting about Nigerian military in a wrong light...just CONSTRUCTIVELY correct or educate the person in such a clear and simple ways that such negative lamentations will be neutralized in the mind of the lamentator. And if you can't do this, then ignore the person.

You guys are making this thread boring already...with all these childish tantrums about NAF's capability.

I understand that by our military code, we don't can't dabbled into politics which is why many people on this thread find it hard to accommodate such personal lamentations...notwithstanding, we do not need to jump in a mud to save a man sinking in that mud.

Over and out !

Adminisher:


The plane is looking too Chinesey for my liking.
The plane go fit fight so?

hahahaha.. The JF-17 is a natural progression from the F-7 an excellent dogfighting platform. but you have to understand that aerial warfare this days is more than dogfighting which you already know. its an excellent aircraft for Nigeria standard.

lionel4power:
hahahaha.. The JF-17 is a natural progression from the F-7 an excellent dogfighting platform. but you have to understand that aerial warfare this days is more than dogfighting which you already know. its an excellent aircraft for Nigeria standard.

Are we going for JF 17B?
I hear they are putting AESA radar into the latest version. If so , it is worth the wait.

61mech:
Actually, one of the reasons the ZT-3 was chosen as a beamrider was because of experiences with using Milans in the bush.
The reconnaissance reg. used them in some sabre vehicle ops. and the wires got tangled up in branches all the time. Milans were so ineffective that they went back to using recoilless guns on their vehicles.

The first ZT-3's fired by Hannes Nortman and his Ratels against FAPLA tanks were actually pre-production prototypes. The engineers at Kentron were busy with using them as testing rounds when they were taken and put into action in Angola during Moduler on pre-production vehicles.

Yes I heard the ones in the field were pre-production models, much like the G6s.

In his book The SADF in the Border War Leopold Scholtz states that a Ratel ZT3 was called up against the Cuban T-55s in Operation Hilti/Displace but couldn't fire due to the thick bush. In the end the tanks had to be engaged by the Olifants.

Apparently, this wasn't an issue with the FAPLA tanks Nortmann destroyed earlier because they were emerging onto a flat flood plain.

I assumed this was the reason they weren't used more often, but perhaps I was mistaken?

fabselad:
Cameroon Airforce Dassault AlphaJet NGEA (Nouvelle Génération École/Appui) or MS2 as commonly known. It differs from other versions Alpha Jets such as the A and the E by the addition of a laser range finder on the nose. This gives the Alpha Jet MS2 or NGEA an advantage during ground attacks. There is also the addition of;
-A glass cockpit,
-A Thomson CSF VE-110 head-up display (HUD),
-SAGEM ULISS 81 inertial navigation
system (INS),
-Thomson CSF/CNI AHV-9 radar altimeter,
-SFIM CG90 back-up heading reference sensor.
All this additional sensors permits the aircraft to have air to ground options such as;
-Continuously computed impact point (CCIP),
-Delayed CCIP
-Continuously computed release point (CCRP),
-CCRP/Initial Point.
The weapon load for this version are Marvrick Air to Surface Missiles, Exocet Anti Ship Missile, Rockets and Laser Guided Bombs.For air to air missions they can carry 2 Magic II or III missiles or AIM-9 Sidewinders.
This versions were exported to 2 countries only CAMEROON and EGYPT
Thanks for reading.

Exocet., Maverick, AIM+9 Sidewinders Hot damn.

Adminisher:


Are we going for JF 17B?
I hear they are putting AESA radar into the latest version. If so , it is worth the wait.

yeah I know.. anything less than an AESA is totally rubbish. if TRUE then it would boost our air defense posture astronomically especially when its paired with a very capable AA missile. Am more focused on air defence first before any other thing.

When air superiority is lost then the war has been lost. -- lionel4power

lionel4power:
Odunayaw

I don't throw insults, i see no need for that on the internet. I usually leave the insult slinging to the retards. (They know themselves).

Anyway moving on. To answer your question, The NAF Purchased 12 Chengdu F-7 Interceptors and 3 FT-7 DUAL SEAT TRAINERS. incase you didnt know.

secondly, The F-7 is a Mig-21 clone out of a long line of clones. It was a defective aircraft from the start although it was good at dog-fighting other less modern aircraft. Its nose is way to small to mount any decent air-air radar system (forget the outdated grifon radar). It has no look down. shoot down capability, it has extremely short combat radius. Questionable BVR missile capability, t'was optimised for GCI only operation during its early years. its un-reliable, (we already lost four -- incase you dont know thats a lot considering how many we have).

well i don't fault the plane because that what we deserve for choosing mediocrity.

But how come your men prefer attacking people instead of reasoning first? I clearly stated 'an airforce of trainer and transport plane' which is TOTALLY CORRECT yet they didn't blink just jump into the attack. so expectantly!!

TO BUTTRESS MY POINT TO THOSE WHO CANT THINK. WE HAVE FOUR TRAINER PLATFORMS AND ONE INTERCEPTOR PLATFORM.

L-39ZA
Dassault Alpha jet
Aermacchi MB-339
Chengdu FT-7

WHILE HAVING MORE THAN EIGHT TRANSPORT PLATFORMS.
ATR 42
Boeing 737
C-130 Hercules
Aeritalia G.222
Dornier 28
Dornier Do 228
Super King Air
Fslcon 7X

plus others
so my assertion was spot on.

We get your point boss but it's wrong to base your assumptions on Internet data without close first hand facts. The F-7NI is a 3rd Gen platform with a lot of modifications carried out. There is a reason it's called "F-7NI" or can we say F-16 is junk because they started production in the seventies. During my training in the US I got to fly and closely evaluate the said they have this and that world class systems (not putting them down) and saw reality.some of the things you listed up about F7-NI are incorrect my boss.
Truly poor leadership and lack of vision has robbed us of our expected levels but common baba we don't deserve to be tagged that way.

lionel4power:
Exocet., Maverick, AIM+9 Sidewinders Hot damn.

Yeah I was as suprised as u when I read the article. I did further research before posting.

One of the 7 Hinds commanded by the Cameroon Air Force, has been delivered to the BIR air Component. the rest would be for the Cameroonain Air Force.

Crazypilot:
We get your point boss but it's wrong to base your assumptions on Internet data without close first hand facts. The F-7NI is a 3rd Gen platform with a lot of modifications carried out. There is a reason it's called "F-7NI" or can we say F-16 is junk because they started production in the seventies. During my training in the US I got to fly and closely evaluate the said they have this and that world class systems (not putting them down) and saw reality.some of the things you listed up about F7-NI are incorrect my boss.
Truly poor leadership and lack of vision has robbed us of our expected levels but common baba we don't deserve to be tagged that way.

surprisingly the mig21 fishbird and SU 22 fitter is still my favorite airplanes ever.. . not because it is overly modern but because it is PRACTICAL. Its like a warhorse that is very reliable, it dealt a serious blow to the US,during the Vietnam war and also trashed the Pakistanis during the Indo-Pak conflict.

With that said Please Understand I do not have anything against the aircraft. in short I do not have anything against any platform or weapon system in the whole of Nigeria. i appreciate how resourceful the militarymen are in utilities such systems in the face of overwhelming odds. I no it isnt easy getting anything this days.

somebody above even said that we cannot have the F22 raptor...... like I care about the raptor?? hmm

Nairaland is one forum out of tons of others online and I contribute there too but only here that you cant just bare your mind without opening a hornet nest while all the time you just want a serious unbiased counter opinion where all will learn.

instead you only get insults and not an iota of sensible contribution.

its not possible to only post pictures without once in a while discussing about pictures posted.


But how come you get to compare F7 with F16?

fabselad:
One of the 7 Hinds commanded by the Cameroon Air Force, has been delivered to the BIR air Component. the rest would be for the Cameroonain Air Force.

"BIR Air Component" Rapid in every sense

lionel4power:


surprisingly the mig21 fishbird and SU 22 fitter is still my favorite airplanes ever.. . not because it is overly modern but because it is PRACTICAL. Its like a warhorse that is very reliable, it dealt a serious blow to the US,during the Vietnam war and also trashed the Pakistanis during the Indo-Pak conflict.

With that said Please Understand I do not have anything against the aircraft. in short I do not have anything against any platform or weapon system in the whole of Nigeria. i appreciate how resourceful the militarymen are in utilities such systems in the face of overwhelming odds. I no it isnt easy getting anything this days.

somebody above even said that we cannot have the F22 raptor...... like I care about the raptor?? hmm

Nairaland is one forum out of tons of others online and I contribute there too but only here that you cant just bare your mind without opening a hornet nest while all the time you just want a serious unbiased counter opinion where all will learn.

instead you only get insults and not an iota of sensible contribution.

its not possible to only post pictures without once in a while discussing about pictures posted.


But how come you get to compare F7 with F16?

I didn't compare, only made an example but I can actually differentiate because I have flown in both.

oldies... T-34C-1 Mentor . Algerian AF , 6 received in 1981 , out of service

fabselad:
One of the 7 Hinds commanded by the Cameroon Air Force, has been delivered to the BIR air Component. the rest would be for the Cameroonain Air Force.

more from u bro

Crazypilot:
I didn't compare, only made an example but I can actually differentiate because I have flown in both.

I would love to hear your opinion about the two maybe in the other thread.

anything unclassified although the US isnt too rigid concerning classification of the teen series aircrafts except the F-14 Tommy.

whats your verdict on the two in WVR engagement
o maneuverbility
o turn radius
o Rate Of Climb
o general sexiness
e.t.c

most people might not know that the Mig 21 is very stealthy and many country has experimented with varous RAM coatings to make it more steathy like the F35.

lionel4power:
upko1

We are waiting for the "three seater JF13"

bro, please go and throw this tantrum on DHQ social media pages nau.


no be we dey order the equipments na.

the person who made that post didn't tag it as the best jet or airforce in africa. so i see no reason for this derailment.

we just wan enjoy the pics.

fabselad:


Yeah I was as suprised as u when I read the article. I did further research before posting.

well a trainer is still a trainer irrespective of the bells and whistle you attach to it.

oldies.. Antonov 12 BP - Algerian AF


enter service in 1965, out of service

lionel4power:
well a trainer is still a trainer irrespective of the bells and whistle you attach to it.

YEAH YOUR RIGHT JUST LIKE A F-7 REMAINS A CLONED MIG-21 IRRESPECTIVE OF THE CHANGE OF NAME.

chkil0:
oldies.. Antonov 12 BP - Algerian AF


enter service in 1965, out of service

this plane was as though as a Peugeot 504.Though and reliable