obinna58:
...does it mean that doctors were too blind to see God's plan for the baby cos we all know that God has a plan for everyone on earth.
Can we say that in a situation like this doctors are ignorant?
doctor who took part in such act, do they deserve any credit?

You do have a sense of humour!

By the way, don't you think part of the so-called "religionist" vs "atheist" debates could stem from each party's fanatical adherence to their preferred worldview?

What's wrong with seeing the world as consisting of both seen and unseen elements? Our forefathers did, long before we even heard of the Gospel of Christ.

Not everything we know stems from first-hand experiential knowledge. For instance, few people have gone into orbit to observe the earth from there. So it can be argued that we take NASA's photos of planet Earth by FAITH.

Don't you see a similar thing in people choosing their beliefs about how the world came to be, why things are in this current state and what the future holds?

You have certainly chosen to interpret this situation in a certain way. Someone looking at it with insight from Scripture will also gave a different interpretation.

How can there be a meaningful conversation if each party just keeps shouting "I'm correct and you are wrong"?

Learning and growth come from being open-minded.

My 2 cents...

frank317:

Ya and I am sure they have very good reason for that. E.g, when the mother is at risk, when the baby will come out deformed, or when there are serious psychological issues that would make the child a suffer more when born.

"Good reasons" u said?
In other words they saw the killing of the babies in a different perspective.
So also do atheists see the long arms of God's undiscriminating mercy with a different perspective, as an excuse for saying God doesn't exist.

frank317:

No one is advising anyone to have children and abort them indiscriminately.

thats not the point.
Abortion is killing and If God is to mete out judgement on everybody to get rid of evil (that u complain about), then nobody will survive.

frank317:

No people are born unhealthy

Exactly, and it is because of the problems caused by man in one way or the other.
For example, the people that were born unhealthy due to the effect of radioactive emmission on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they were bombed in the 2nd world war.

frank317:

Of course, but then your God, seeing this will still put babies in their womb, afterall it's not his fault they have probability of giving birth to deformed kids.

God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.
But unfortunately, you can't see that.
You don't even know what will happen in the world tomorrow.

frank317:

At least u are thinking instead of praying, we are making progress.

Glory to God
We have always been making progress
Just that you are sometimes reluctant to move along.

felixomor:


God bless.
Thanks for the parental insults .

I believe you haven't realised that you started the insults with your ad hominem on the first page. Sometimes it's childish

What is our imaginary Dr felixomor saying about abortion when his God is the biggest lover of abortions that is if we are to go by his assertions that his God puts babies inside humans.

According to reports, 20% or 1 in 5 pregnancies end in a miscarriage(Natural abortion).
There is no definite explanation to why this happens, but they have found many different
reasons for it. Sometimes the fetus is recognised as a hostile cell and killed by the mothers
immune system, or sometimes there is an incompatibility between the blood types
of the mother and unborn child that makes life impossible etc.

But it gets worse than this. According to some studies, there are actually a far higher
number of miscarriages. Most of them happen so early that the woman never realises she was impregnated, like after a few days. This makes some people think that as much as 40% or 50% of all potential pregnancies ends up in miscarriage. (And this is not even
counting stillbirths!).
Why is Felixomor's God whom he claims says that humans should go into the wold and multiply
letting half of all unborn children die ? Besides, if his God controls everything in the Universe, doesn't he
also control in the way in which we are going to disintegrate? Since he is omnipotent, he is also responsible. Why make the immune system of a mother incompatible with that of the unborn child?

There is no denying this problem, and I think we can narrow the possibilites down to 2 explanations.

Either:
We are intelligently designed, and God intended this many miscarriages (God loves abortion).
OR
God doesn't love abortion because God doesn't exist. The complications tied to pregnancy and miscarriage are can easily be explained by some evolutionary means. There is no malevolence behind it, it's just how nature works.

Source:
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/Miscarriage-Statistics.htm

DeSepiero:


I believe you haven't realised that you started the insults with your ad hominem on the first page. Sometimes it's childish

Well, I have never insulted anybody's parents.
If you are here to encourage that, then go ahead.

dalaman:
What is our imaginary Dr felixomor saying about abortion when his God is the biggest lover of abortions that is if we are to go by his assertions that God his God puts babies inside humans.

According to reports, 20% or 1 in 5 pregnancies end in a miscarriage(Natural abortion).
There is no definite explanation to why this happens, but they have found many different
reasons for it. Sometimes the fetus is recognised as a hostile cell and killed by the mothers
immune system, or sometimes there is an incompatibility between the blood types
of the mother and unborn child that makes life impossible etc.

But it gets worse than this. According to some studies, there are actually a far higher
number of miscarriages. Most of them happen so early that the woman never realises she was impregnated, like after a few days. This makes some people think that as much as 40% or 50% of all potential pregnancies ends up in miscarriage. (And this is not even
counting stillbirths!).
Why is Felixomor's God whom he claims says that humans should go into the wold and multiply
letting half of all unbirn children die ? Besides, if his God controls everything in the Universe, doesn't he
also control in which way we are going to disintegrate? Since he is omnipotent, he is also responsible. Why make the immune system of a mother incompatible with that of the unbirn child?

There is no denying this problem, and I think we can narrow the possibilites down to 2 explanations.

Either:
We are intelligently designed, and God intended this many miscarriages (God loves abortion).

OR
God doesn't love abortion because God doesn't exist. The complications tied to pregnancy and miscarriage are can easily be explained by some evolutionary means. There is no malevolence behind it, it's just how nature works.

Source:
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/Miscarriage-Statistics.htm

Mr Games, you have come again?
If I expound this your article now, u will come and tell me u were joking ba?

Abeg shift, let me deal with better mentions.

felixomor:


God bless.
Thanks for the parental insults .

It wasn't an insult

I only used your mom as example same way you used me as an example

I would have used you but your brain is asleep

felixomor:


Mr Games, you have come again?
If I expound this your article now, u will come and tell me u were joking ba?

Abeg shift, let me deal with better mentions.

Address the post.
I dare you.

hahn:


It wasn't an insult

I only used your mom as example same way you used me as an example

I would have used you but your brain is asleep

You really wish you could change it.
But Sorry it was an insult. And its only a reflection of how you see your own parents.

Sad.

felixomor:


Mr Games, you have come again?
If I expound this your article now, u will come and tell me u were joking ba?

Abeg shift, let me deal with better mentions.

Joking where? Your God is a lover of abortions deal with it and stop crying.

CatfishBilly:

Address the post.
I dare you.

You have not said anything.
Stop daring without facts.

felixomor:

You really wish you could change it.
But Sorry it was an insult. And its only a reflection of how you see your own parents.

Sad.

Lol

Whatever dude

felixomor:

Including the ones you wickedly abort ba?

...

Felix, if you don't consider this above statement of yours to be insulting, it then becomes obvious who encourages insults.

felixomor:


Well, I have never insulted anybody's parents.
If you are here to encourage that, then go ahead.

dalaman:


Joking where? Your God is a lover of abortions deal with it and stop crying.

Joking, as u did here
...........

dalaman:


I was just playing your games and nothing more knowing very well that you do not believe in evolution. I don't have any God part in my brain, come and show we where it is. ..................

Got it, Joker?

felixomor:


You have not said anything.
Stop daring without facts.

Lol, He can't even counter dalaman's post. If your God is the creator of life, then he performs the greatest number of abortions as opined by dalaman.
Deal with it.

DeSepiero:


Felix, if you don't consider this above statement of yours to be insulting, it then becomes obvious who encourages insults.

I can see how you are avoiding the word "parents".
Anyway, well done.

CatfishBilly:

Lol, He can't even counter dalaman's post. If your God is the creator of life, then he performs the greatest number of abortions as opined by dalaman.
Deal with it.

This one is for you.
You don't know the person you are referencing.
If u knew, u will do your own talk

felixomor:


"Good reasons" u said?
In other words they saw the killing of the babies in a different perspective.
So also do atheists see the long arms of God's undiscriminating mercy with a different perspective, as an excuse for saying God doesn't exist.

Humans will always be humans and must must have reasons for their actions. A mother who aborts a baby when it's obvious giving birth to that child will take her own life is understandable.
Is God human? His reasons for killing indiscriminately in the Bible is not understandable given the fact that he calls himself the creator and ominieverything.

Theists don't say God doesn't not exists because of these said actions, we say he doesn't not exist because there is not evidence of him.

thats not the point.
Abortion is killing and If God is to mete out judgement on everybody to get rid of evil (that u complain about), then nobody will survive.

God shouldn't mete put judgement people who have abortion with good reason​(like i explained above), If he does this I will definitely complain.

Exactly, and it is because of the problems caused by man in one way or the other.
For example, the people that were born unhealthy due to the effect of radioactive emmission on the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they were bombed in the 2nd world war.

So therefore if God finds out that because of Hiroshima bomb man is born with the ability to have babies with defects he will continue putting more babies in such a man? What are u even saying?

God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.
But unfortunately, you can't see that.
You don't even know what will happen in the world tomorrow.

Lol... See u trying to wiggle out? What future did God see in a child who is born with a tumor in the head only for the child to die at the age of four? Is he confused?

Glory to God
We have always been making progress
Just that you are sometimes reluctant to move along.

Nice to know, I was actually getting worried with the way u talk. hope the progress continues.

This thread look like Igbo Joint, where guys just finish puffing 1 nylon bag of Igbo.

The result is unphantomable.

God is Just too good, try this with Hitler

felixomor:


Joking, as u did here
...........


Got it, Joker?

Your God still remains the greatest lover of abortion if we are to go by your claims that he puts babies inside the womb.

felixomor:


This one is for you.
You don't know the person you are referencing.
If u knew, u will do your own talk

Okay, I've heard
Oya address his post, I agree with it 100%. I'm not adding or removing.
Oya address the issues raised.
That's all.

frank317:

Humans will always be humans and must must have reasons for their actions. A mother who aborts a baby when it's obvious giving birth to that child it's understandable.

Oh so humans must have reason for their actions.
Have you forgotten God made the spirit of humans in his image? Surely, you have.
God also has His reasons, and his scope of reasoning supercedes ours.

Secondly, I observed your first post sounded like you detested abortion when I "accused" you back then.
But the moment you heard your fellow atheists were supporting it, you started seeing "reasons"

To that I will say, Wehdone Sir!

frank317:

Is God human? His reasons for killing indiscriminately in the Bible is not understandable given the fact that he calls himself the creator and ominieverything.

Mention one person God killed "indiscriminately".
PLEASE STICK TO THE WORD. I BEG U

frank317:

Theists don't say God doesn't not exists because of these said actions, we say he doesn't not exist because there is not evidence of him.

Sorry, atheists you mean.
Just go to online forums. They say it a lot.
"If God exists, why is there so much suffering in the world?"
Its a very common atheist line. Get your facts.

frank317:

God shouldn't mete put judgement people who have abortion with good reason​(like i explained above), If he does this I will definitely complain.

Sorry, even Hitler had "good reasons" inside his mind for killing six million jews and christians.
So your "good" is someone else's bad.
So Man needs God to tell him what is the real and central "good".

frank317:

So therefore if God finds out that because of Hiroshima bomb man is born with the ability to have babies with defects he will continue putting more babies in such a man? What are u even saying?

So you mean humans should be throwing radio active bombs up and down, and God should be helping him to clean up the mess, by obstructing the reproductive fertility of the victims?
Right?

frank317:

Lol... See u trying to wiggle out? What future did God see in a child who is born with a tumor in the head only for the child to die at the age of four? Is he confused?

Nah. Going by this your infantile logic, any child born with a head tumour can never amount to anything in life.
Sorry there are people who were born with head deformity who grew up to be great world influencers.
Its the same Laws of God's mercy that kept them alive.
Its like rain falling on every roof.

frank317:

Nice to know, I was actually getting worried with the way u talk. hope the progress continues.

Of course, And I hope u don't get weary in running along.
Glory be to God

GoodMuyis:
This thread look like Igbo Joint, where guys just finish puffing 1 nylon bag of Igbo.

The result is unphantomable.

God is Just too good, try this with Hitler

It's not that your God is good. It's just that he is imaginary. Read the bible the place where your God exist (your God exist only in the pages of the bible). You will see him acting worse than Hitler to people that oppose him.

dalaman:


Your God still remains the greatest lover of abortion if we are to go by your claims that he puts babies inside the womb.

Is it not u again?
I hear u, Mr Game player

GoodMuyis:
This thread look like Igbo Joint, where guys just finish puffing 1 nylon bag of Igbo.

The result is unphantomable.

God is Just too good, try this with Hitler

Who created Hitler,?

felixomor:

Is it not u again?
I hear u, Mr Game player

Your God remains the greatest lover of abortion, deal with it.

dalaman:


Your God remains the greatest lover of abortion, deal with it.

I say I hear u now
Oga games.

alignacademy:


You do have a sense of humour!

By the way, don't you think part of the so-called "religionist" vs "atheist" debates could stem from each party's fanatical adherence to their preferred worldview?

What's wrong with seeing the world as consisting of both seen and unseen elements? Our forefathers did, long before we even heard of the Gospel of Christ.

Not everything we know stems from first-hand experiential knowledge. For instance, few people have gone into orbit to observe the earth from there. So it can be argued that we take NASA's photos of planet Earth by FAITH.

Don't you see a similar thing in people choosing their beliefs about how the world came to be, why things are in this current state and what the future holds?

You have certainly chosen to interpret this situation in a certain way. Someone looking at it with insight from Scripture will also gave a different interpretation.

How can there be a meaningful conversation if each party just keeps shouting "I'm correct and you are wrong"?

Learning and growth come from being open-minded.

My 2 cents...

I created this thread to hear what religionists have to say to doctors in such situation, seems they kept off the thread, atheist contributions are also allow but along the line they drove away from the main topic

u made a nice contribution

dalaman:


It's not that your God is good. It's just that he is imaginary. Read the bible the place where your God exist (your God exist only in the pages of the bible). You will see him acting worse than Hitler to people that oppose him.

Like those sacrificing human to idols, the sodomite, etc right? Am I correct?

GoodMuyis:


Like those sacrificing human to idols, the sodomite, etc right? Am I correct?

Like those that refused to worship him or those that mock is prophets.

DoctorAlien
annplenty
junia
enshy
ishilove
mzlady39
analice
blueagent
lazygal

the thread have gone far but still call on u guys for enlightenment based on the main topic
it will be nice avin ur contributions

felixomor:

Oh so humans must have reason for their actions.
Have you forgotten God made the spirit of humans in his image? Surely, you have.
God also has His reasons, and his scope of reasoning supercedes ours.

Lol... God does not exist, there is no evidence of him. Except u are God or u accept he is just a glorified human. What image? With all man's limitations? Or are u just fond of equating man's image with God's when it suits u?

Secondly, I observed your first post sounded like you detested abortion when I "accused" you back then.
But the moment you heard your fellow atheists were supporting it, you started seeing "reasons"

To that I will say, Wehdone Sir!

I have never done abortion. Besides u previously sounded like atheists just impregnate girls and abort the child randomly.

Mention one person God killed "indiscriminately".
PLEASE STICK TO THE WORD. I BEG U

Drowning everyone, even kids during the time of Noah.

Sorry, atheists you mean.
Just go to online forums. They say it a lot.
"If God exists, why is there so much suffering in the world?"
Its a very common atheist line. Get your facts.

It's just a point to show that there is not evidence. This is not in line with the point u were trying to make in ur post.

Sorry, even Hitler had "good reasons" inside his mind for killing six million jews and christians.
So your "good" is someone else's bad.
So Man needs God to tell him what is the real and central "good".

So how does the whole world see Hitler based on his actions with good reasons? If it was good no one will call him a bad man.
You need God to tell you to help ur brother in need? I don't.

So you mean humans should be throwing radio active bombs up and down, and God should be helping him to clean up the mess, by obstructing the reproductive fertility of the victims?
Right?

No that's not what I mean, how do u bring in anything u like into our discussion.
So u mean that God should, despite seeing that a man has the potential of giving birth to a baby with defects , go head and put the child in him? That's my point. Answer.

Nah. Going by this your infantile logic, any child born with a head tumour can never amount to anything in life.
Sorry there are people who were born with head deformity who grew up to be great world influencers.
Its the same Laws of God's mercy that kept them alive.
Its like rain falling on every roof.

See him talking another thing.
Oga, what future did God put in a child that is born with brain tumors only to die after four years. Answer instead of changing topic.