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Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Syncan(m): 11:56am On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik: We the members of the Church pray for and request prayers from one another. 1Tim 2:1 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men". Also look at 1Thess.5:25 and Eph.6:19 If you don't need their help,I have no problem with that, but don't condemn me for asking a righteous person to pray for me because "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective". James 5:16 Jesus is the mediator, I agree, Yet it does not nullify (1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men". St. Paul calls us to intercession, yet we know that Christ continues to intercede, since (Heb 7:24-25) says: "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them". St Paul knows this eternal Intercessory role of Christ, yet he exhorts the faithful to "Intercessions for all men" without fear of contradiction, it therefore means that we can participate in these aspect of Christ's ministry according to the level of "bonding" between us and Jesus without anyone feeling that recognition is taking away from Christ. 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by rossyc(f): 11:58am On May 14, 2017 |
Trueigbo:How about Lucy? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by avalontony(m): 12:00pm On May 14, 2017 |
obayaya: Jesus wept |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Shafiiimran99: 12:00pm On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik:Have u forgot ur own history or do think many xtians nation today accepted xtianity willingly? Millions of African−Americans are Christians today because their ancestors were converted against their will to the religion of the slave-master. Hundreds of thousands of American−Indians are Christians today because the Christian missionaries converted their ancestors against their will. In Europe, it was the same thing. When Rome controlled most of the world, the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 325 CE forced Christianity onto his subjects. The people of Lithuania did not become Christians because they read the gospels and decided to accept their teachings. On the contrary, the people of Lithuania were forced into Christianity against their will, as a result of relentless military force. From The Crusades, by Bernard Hamilton |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 12:03pm On May 14, 2017 |
Syncan:Oh. I thought you were iaamxaxier. That was what iaamxaxier said. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Syncan(m): 12:04pm On May 14, 2017 |
rossyc: Lucia stayed longer as promised by the Blessed Virgin, She died in 2005. You know the Church na, her life on earth has to be studied and if she is worthy of elevation to that rank, she will be pronounced such in future 2 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Liamm(m): 12:04pm On May 14, 2017 |
Trueigbo:You're a true block rosarian ![]() Otito diri jesu ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 12:05pm On May 14, 2017 |
free2ryhme:I no be brother oh |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nofuckgiven: 12:06pm On May 14, 2017 |
Melonny:Kindly read this. http://joelokojie.org/the-church-and-canonization-of-saints/ |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Iamzik: 12:07pm On May 14, 2017 |
Syncan: Good start. At least you quoted the Bible. We are getting there. The scripture you quoted below, is Paul talking to living people listening to him or talking to dead saints or asking us to pray through them? Because if you read on it says: (1 Timothy 2:2 KJV) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. . . . (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Jesus is the mediator, I agree, Yet it does not nullify (1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men BTW I appreciate that we are both looking into the word of God together. Even heaven is happy... *smiles* |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by pcei: 12:07pm On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik:EWU |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Syncan(m): 12:07pm On May 14, 2017 |
Ontarget: It's ok, now I understand it was a mistake. However am sure what he was trying to do was tell you that the making of Image was not what was condemned (for God himself still went ahead to order it's making), but making something and actually taking that thing as God. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by itzwizzle: 12:12pm On May 14, 2017 |
Linqsz: they died in 1919...It took 97 years for them to be canonized...chk when Lucia died |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Syncan(m): 12:12pm On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik: I don't know why you say those who died in Christ are not Living, are you calling Jesus a liar? When he called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Living in Mk.12:27, was he telling a lie? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 12:16pm On May 14, 2017 |
Interesting. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by vagabondMynd44: 12:19pm On May 14, 2017 |
Only God has the power to declare anyone saint Catholics and Idolatry.. Tufia! |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by vagabondMynd44: 12:22pm On May 14, 2017 |
pcei: you should read the bible more instead of worshipping gay bishops. fathers etc.. you'll realize you've been lead astray Catholics can't make God's kingdom cos they don't worship Him, quote me anywhere |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by obayaya(m): 12:23pm On May 14, 2017 |
olojuede01: After the ceremony, they are included in the list of recognized saints of the church. Before I go into the roles of the Saints of the church, I'll give you the basic synopsis. There's the Triumphant church. Those who have successfully ran the earthly race and made heaven. While those of us here on earth still trying to make the cut are the militant church. The church believes in the communion of saints (A fellowship between the triumphant church and the militant church). The church believes these dead Christians who have made heaven can pray and intercede on our behalf. When someone is canonised by the church, the church is simply affirming its strong believe that the person is in Heaven (There are rigorous steps the church takes to ascertain this) and invites the militant church to ask for their intercessions. I hope you understand now |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nielbohr203(m): 12:25pm On May 14, 2017 |
This is my problem with Christianity, we attack each other. This gives other religions an edge over us. I wish we can love each other as Christ loves the church. |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by modaink333: 12:26pm On May 14, 2017 |
Iamzik:ode! A saint is not born, a saint is been made....and i belive u dont expect God to come down on earth and canonize dem saints |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by kings20(m): 12:26pm On May 14, 2017 |
Only God himself knows a couple of things If u ask me how is it that d saint stuff is not done by God himself instead its a mere mortal man |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by wizod(m): 12:27pm On May 14, 2017 |
More distractions added 2 d catholic church.
More images added 2 be worshipped.
Mtcheeeeew catholic my foot |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by xavieree(f): 12:28pm On May 14, 2017 |
Syncan:I really liked the way you made your point....are you a seminarian? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by wizod(m): 12:28pm On May 14, 2017 |
obayaya:blind worshippers. Can't u pray 4 urself and leave d dead |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Nobody: 12:29pm On May 14, 2017 |
Nnemaranma:Nice one sweets. Not too many people of your gender with your kind of reasoning in Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by cyrilamx(m): 12:29pm On May 14, 2017 |
Guy stop this ranting of "where is it in the bible?" did u not read from scripture that a lot of things Christ did that didn't find their ways into scripture? And did St Paul not ask Christians to hold fast to the teachings he bestows on them whether by letter (scrpture) or word of mouth( oral tradition)? 2.Thes. 2:15, sacred Tradition...that is oral teachings came before the Bible. Also did u not read where Christ bestowed on Peter the keys of Heaven and the power of binding and losing in Matt.16-18-19 an an other Apostles in Matt.18:18? It was this authority the Apostles relied on in steering the church, a pointing of deacons as a Acts 6:1-7, taking crucial decision like bold claims of working in conjunction with the holy Spirit regarding dietary laws. Acts 16:28, setting guidelines regarding Church worship...go read church history how the church Fathers as successors of the apostles decided the canons of the scripture almost 400 years into christianity. If you have problem with the Catholic Church, den refrain from worshipped on Sunday, using the Bible, observing Easter and Christmas and lots more. If God actually prohibited the making of image as u guys are wont to point out, why did he allow cherubs to be moulded on the ark of the covenant? Or did God turn blind eyes when Solomon adorned the temple with images of lions, oxen and cherubs, 1 kings 6: 23-28,29,32;7:29? Why did God ask Mos to make a bronze serpent and instructed the bitten children of isreal to look up to it for healings? Num 21:7-9? For those asking if th Catholic Church is God really shows the shallowness of protestantism. Christ bequeathed supreme powers/authority to his Church he founded in St. Peter...same authority, St. Peter's successors in the name of Pope enjoy till today. That why for more than two thousand years the Catholic Church still thrives despite d numerous failings of her members and the bad popes. Hence the church is able to make bold claims like forgiving sins Jn 20:23, declaring a person to to Saint in heaven but never making anybody a saint (the church declares not make Saints...holy life makes one a saints) in the cause of history the Catholic Church had have a defend it's teachings against numerous heretical teachings, apostasies and hostile movement as is prevalent among man-made churches today. Christ founded a church and not a Bible. Bible came out of necessity to write down t life of Christ and the need to respond to questions the young thriving Christian community were asking hence the various letters In other word, the (Catholic) church and not the Bible is the pillar and guardian of the revealed Truth. 1.Tim 3:14-16, and the Bible came out of the Church. Iamzik: 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by janefrancisca(f): 12:30pm On May 14, 2017 |
Ddy:When u kneel down to greet your parents, are you worshipping them? |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Pyramid1212: 12:30pm On May 14, 2017 |
Trueigbo:maka njo nke uwa otito dili Jesu na ndu ebe ebe amen |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by Iamzik: 12:30pm On May 14, 2017 |
Shafiiimran99: I'm happy you read the Christian creed. Allah will remind you when you confessed Jesus as Lord hahahaha Now to the crux of it: So because some people in America converted their slaves by force many centuries ago then you think it's right to still be in the business of religious terrorism in the 21st century. Are the rest of the world their slaves? And how was mecca and Medina and Arab world converted? By tracts and evangelism and visitation? BTW they now know that Jesus did not preach violence. Muslims are migrating to America and Europe in droves. If they are still killing like your Isis brothers in Syria I doubt they will want to move to America The predominant Christian world is peaceful and accommodating with religious freedom. The average Muslim nation does not guarantee freedom to worship by declaring Islam a state religion. Which one is more accommodating to you? America is bad and ungodly but when Donald Trump ask people to stay in their Islamic country they were shouting Upandan. Hypocrisy is when you ask your host country to practice freedom of religion but your own country back home does not guarantee that freedom to other religions And before you say Isis is not Muslim just watch their videos online and hear them quote straight from thesame Quran. I don't think you support violence but to Isis you are as good as the Christian he wants to bomb. To them a moderate Muslim is no Muslim at all. The rationale of forceful, violent conversion is outdated. Help us tell your radical brothers maybe they will listen to you. 3 Likes |
Re: Pope Francis Canonizes Jacinta And Francisco, Two Child Saints, Makes History by modaink333: 12:31pm On May 14, 2017 |
Ave! |
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