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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 5:24am On May 31, 2017 |
mtis:No chills man. True story.... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 5:36am On May 31, 2017 |
CocoMilian: I don't think it's about not seeing the good places. I think he's just a bitter loser. He's been bitter towards Kenyans on this thread since day one. Everything good he gives credit to foreigners and he completely has nothing good to say about Kenyans. He's probably into some illegal business and gets bitter every time the Kenyan authorities are on him. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 5:42am On May 31, 2017 |
NairobiWalker:lol only if u know ... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 9jakool: 5:51am On May 31, 2017 |
genieluv: No, I have no interest. I'm basing my conclusion directly off of science and oral history. I am from Benue state by origin (the Tiv homeland) and most Tivs accept and believe that they are of Bantu origins. yaah they do.Kwararafa was a 16th century confederacy of ethnic groups in the Benue-Taraba region. Most cross river people do not come from Kwararafa, unless the few from the border. Cross river groups like Ejagham are closer linguistically to Tivs and they speak closely related language. How come the Ejagham aren't from Congo. Let me go further. In fact, according to linguistic evidence a long time ago the Ejagham and the Tivs once spoke the same language known as Southern Bantoid. Ejagham are very ancient West African people that invented one if the few indigenous writing system on the continent dating as far back as 2,000 YEARS ago. Have you ever heard of the Ikom monoliths. Bantu groups didn't migrate from Congo, It's the other way around since Bantu migrated from the border of Nigeria and Cameroon to the rest of Africa. Scientists have documented a lot of evidence for the bantu migration from the edge of West Africa to the rest of Africa which we know as The Great Bantu migration/expansion. No such documentation of Bantu migration from Congo back to Nigeria exists. Again, I'm aware the Tivs were expansionists based on their origin. I studied all these histories about my people in the university.You and I are not Tivs. I also study the history of this people, especially linguistics. The Tivs came with a strong wave of migration from Congo area, (i think during the fall of the Kwararafa kingdom), and that was how they came to displace most of us the Kwararafan tribes, coupled with their high birth rates and expansionist lifestyles, they even cut off the Etulo people from Idomas and have almost culturally absorbed them today.The bolded would be false based on your theory. Kwararafa exists somewhere around 16th century. If the Tiv came after Kwararafa, then that means the Tiv population is very recent and their language would still be very close to other Bantu languages, especially from Congo that the supposedly came from. Bantu expansion occurred thousands of years ago and even after thousands of years later, Bantu languages have many similarities with each other. This can be best demonstrated with their number system. Linguistic evidence Take for example, Kikuyu language from Kenya with the counting system from 1-10: Ĩmwe, Igĩrĩ, Ithatũ, Inya, Ithano, Ithathatũ Mũgwanja, Inyanya, Kenda, Ikũmi. Notice the similarity with another language county system. This is Zulu in South Africa, 4 thousands kilometers away: kunye, kubili, kuthathu, kune, kuhlanu, isithupha, isikhombisa, isishiyagalombili, isishiyagalolunye, ishumi. In Congo, the apparent Tiv homeland, the Kikongo counting system are: moosi, zoole, tatu, ya, taanu, saambanu, ntsambwaadi, naana, vwe/vwa, kuumi. In Tiv language: the numerical system are: mom, uhwa, utaa, unyii, utaan, aterata, utankaauhwa, anieni, utankwunyi, pue. See, even Bantu languages that have been separated for millennia share more in common with each other, than Tiv which relatively recently migrated from Congo the fall of Kwarafa according to you. Can you find me a language in Congo that's very similar to Tiv? See the multiple similarities in Bantu languages. Also in many bantu languages, the word for people is "bantu." This isn't the case for Tiv which lacks that terminology. Researchers classified Tiv and some surrounding languages as Bantoid not Bantu. Bantoid languages are close to Bantu languages, they are not the same necessarily. In Archaeology and Historic evidence *Tiv claim descendant from an ancestor named Tiv who had two progenitor sons; Chongo and Pusu. Tiv claim they originate from a hillly/mountainous area known as Swem, before settling at the Benue valley. "Archaeological researches conducted on abandoned settlement sites in Tivland particularly the hilltop settlement sites have also been useful in the search for Tiv origin and migrations. These researches seem to support the assertion by Tiv oral traditions that, the Tiv inhabited the hilltops as they migrated from Swem into the Benue Valley of Nigeria. The migration from Swem according to oral traditions was sparked in part, by conflict with other tribes (Akiga 1939, Makar 1975, Gbor 1978) and the hilltops provided the needed protection from their enemies as they were pursued into the Benue Valley. Archaeological and ethno archaeological works conducted by scholars such as Andah 1983, Folorunso 1989, Ogundele 1993, Gundu 1999, Ndera 2009, and Chia 2014 have associated the hilltop settlements in Tivland today with the Tiv." This hilltop settlements predate Kwararafa as archeologists found Tiv pottery and tools evidence dating back to the 1400s. "Having examined the evidence available for Tiv origin and migrations from different sources, it seems the notion of a Tiv migration from somewhere around the Nigeria- Cameroon border into the Benue Valley of Nigeria is not in doubt again." The Tivs are Bantu expansionist just like their other Bantu cousins who expanded and occupied almost the whole Africa, absorbing anyone on their way, that is why you see them fighting the Jukuns and other neighbouring ethnic groups in the middlebelt. A lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria are expansionists, Igala, Nupe, Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Ebira and Fulani are all expansionists, but does that make them Bantu languages? It's true that Tiv as Bantoid does feature some similarities with Bantu, but they are not necessarily the same. Again don't get me wrong, my point all along is still that Tiv is Bantoid, because it's the factual classification and as such the closest groups to Bantu languages. Tivs are similar to other Bantoid groups found in Cameroon as well. In Cameroon, there is a distinction, as well as a bond between Bantu-speaking ethnic groups and Bantoid ethnic groups with each accounting for around a third of the population. I hope this helps. Research Info from: Richard Terungwa Chia Department of Archaeology, Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria, Nigeria. Below is a map of the language classification. Look at the Southern boarder between Cameroon and Nigeria. The dark and light orange represents Bantoid languages. The brown represents Bantu languages. Underneath are the original abandoned ancient Tiv hill settlements uncovered by archaeologists. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 9jakool: 6:02am On May 31, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Of course, they expanded like many other ethnic groups, but I don't think it's from Congo. There is no evidence to support that. Check my explanation to understand better. I have a series of unrelated questions. Do you think the Tivs would rather align with Hausa, prefer living under the Arewa/one North banner, would join the South or prefer a different region of their own? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 6:16am On May 31, 2017 |
Marcelo290: Just post whatever you wanna post dude. Don't pretend to act like we are begging you not to 'expose us'. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 6:40am On May 31, 2017 |
genieluv:Can't watch a Nigerian movie genieluv. When you start producing sci-fi movies tag me. Plus your accents are a huge turn off 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 6:42am On May 31, 2017 |
genieluv:Thats why we fully support Oromo independence |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 7:25am On May 31, 2017 |
PissedYagami:It's funny, because to me we are the only ones with a clear accent except the English speaking countries. I get turned off by the Indian Southern African, Eastern African and Ghanian accents. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 7:36am On May 31, 2017 |
forgiveness: How many of those are actually Sub Sahara Africa/ African HQs? These are just serving the W.African region. Kenya hosts the hqs of 60 multinational companies serving east/central/southern Africa, ssAfrica and the whole Africa. Ie, u have the IBM in Lagos which serves only the west African region, but the one in Nairobi is the ultimate hq for the whole of the continent. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:19am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:trust me ghanian english accent is a plus in nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 8:42am On May 31, 2017 |
vaxx:I have stayed with Ghanians, l struggle to understand them. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Isahalbash(m): 9:51am On May 31, 2017 |
9jakool: Mr History well-done 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:52am On May 31, 2017 |
Nowenuse:This is where I find Nigerians retarded.Massais have never at any one time, been a major tribe in Kenya.In fact, until recently, they were the one of the smallest. There are around 800,000 Maasais in a country of 47 million!!! Meaning that there are faar more Kikuyus, Luhyias, Kalenjin,Luos, Kambas, Kisiis, Mijikenda and Kenyan Somalis than there are Maasais. If Maasais are the 'normal look', then so are Kenya Asians then who are just behind them in terms of numbers!! 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:56am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:There is no such thing as an 'Eastern African' accent. Kenyans do not speak the same English as Ugandans or (Lord help us) Tanzanians and Ethiopians. Even in Kenya, we do not speak the same accent of English.It varies from region to region, with urbanites speaking English better than the rest. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 10:16am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:i will not doubt it. sometimes i prefer a german who learn english as a second language better than the british themselves. ghanian english may be complicated to you due to influence of mother tongue . |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:17am On May 31, 2017 |
68816419:Nonsense!!!Can you please mention which Whites live in Lavington these daysLast I checked, In Nairobi, non African minorities happen to be a majority in only 4 estates Karen and Muthaiga(Whites) and Parklands and Westlands(Which are not high income zones but middle income ones ,have an Indian majority). No other high income or Middle Inciome estate in the entire Nairobi has a majority of either Whites or Asians. Just because you see some Whites in Lavington ,does not mean only Whites live there.Lavington is over 80% Black. Same to Kitsuru, where it is around 60% Black, 40% others.Think not??Visit Two Rivers Mall and you will see just as many Black upper income families as non Black ones. Spring Valley is dominated by Blacks, Politicians especially. Langata is over 99%Black. Hurlingham is 80% Black as well. Kilimani ,Riverside and Kileleshwa have no Whites or Indians but are the core of Nairobi's Black Middle and Upper Class. Soomalis are one of the poorest people in Kenya, what in the retardation are you talking about??The richest people in Kenya :are from the Kikuyu Community. Not Asians,Whites or (SMH)Somalis. You are a liar when you claim any Kenyan thinks Asians dominate Kenya. Anyone who reads Kenyan news would know that Kikuyus as a community dominate the country both politically and economically. That is why so much vile is thrown against them. Symbolised by the fact that the Kenyatta Family is one of the wealthiest in the country as well as the one in power.For the second time. There are parts of Kenya where they have never seen Asians or Whites in the past 30 years or so, let alone be dominated by them. No Asians exist in the interior rural parts of Kenya(Because they were never allowed to own land outside of the Coast) and Whites are an urban thing with the exception of a few farmers in the Rift. I would like to know which Asians come from Mwingi or Garissa or Whites from anywhere in Western Kenya. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 10:27am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:it's because, your grew up listening to the wrong pronunciation of things |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by sHOTdownHawk: 10:31am On May 31, 2017 |
forgiveness: IBM has 200 million$ research and dev lab in nairobi. Only two in africa and the other in SA. No way in hell is the HQ in Nigeria. Same for Google. Sadly we lost coca-cola. But the west african unit is headed by kenyans. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 10:32am On May 31, 2017 |
Just30:Rubbish, it's the Ghanians who do not talk well. How come the British and American accent seem smooth to me though fast. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 10:37am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:if it is fast it can not be smooth. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by freshest4live: 10:42am On May 31, 2017 |
vaxx:
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 10:51am On May 31, 2017 |
[quote author=freshest4live post=57049845][/quote]lol it funny |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 10:54am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live:can you explain the reason why you still pronounce words wrongly? I always have to make my own deduction in other to hear and understand stuff when a Nigerian speak Because on most occasion, their pronunciations are way of chart |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:55am On May 31, 2017 |
fanficgirl: Is it culture or genetics? Your culture is different from Jamaican |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:02am On May 31, 2017 |
68816419: That was reversed. In 2016, foreign tourism arrivals grew by 16 percent. https://wolfganghthome./2017/02/01/kenyas-tourism-arrivals-grew-by-over-16-percent-in-2016/ Another 16 percent rise has been recorded this year. http://www.nation.co.ke/news/tourism-arrivals-kenya-mombasa/1056-3794720-j4wt61z/index.html And the rise of tourist arrivals from west africa is 30 percent, mainly from Ghana and Nigeria. http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v3/read.php?id=Mzg0Njcy |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:04am On May 31, 2017 |
freshest4live: The Nigerian accent is the most awkward in Africa (along with Ghanaian) followed closely by the Seuth Efrican eccent |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 11:07am On May 31, 2017 |
Hbuyosh: You are a bloody liar. IBM Africa headquarter is not located in Nairobi. They only operate East Africa regional headquarter in Nairobi and East Africa comprises of only 10 countries compared to their West Africa regional headquarter located in Lagos that serves 20 bigger countries. We have many of them like that in that fake list. Out of the 6 listed for SubSahara Africa only 5 ARE NOT LOCATED IN NAIROBI. Now, let me break it down. Out of the 58 multinational companies, 28 of these companies serves only the East Africa region which comprises only 8-10 countries, 1 serves the SubSahara Africa while 19 of these organizations serves the whole of Africa, of which most are humanitarian agencies, The remaining 10 multinationals neither have their East nor Africa regional headquarters in Nairobi. Busted. Nairobi is not blabla what you claim. Organization setting up companies first in Nairobi doesn’t tantamount to being the Africa regional headquarter. It may be the starting point but as soon as they expand to West Africa, Nairobi looses its regional headquarter status sharp sharp. Note; out of your list 25 multinational companies serves the whole 20 countries in West Africa from Lagos while 1 multinational company Africa regional headquarter is located in Lagos. This is just from your list. Whatever if we release Lagos list? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:09am On May 31, 2017 |
Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Nairobee
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:12am On May 31, 2017 |
Jomo Kenyatta Aeroport, Nairobi
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 11:13am On May 31, 2017 |
TayserMahiri:ghana is earning more in revenue than kenya. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Shaytun: 11:16am On May 31, 2017 |
forgiveness: GBAM. They keep getting busted. |
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