genieluv:



Oooh myyy! Nooo!
~~I have once seen a report where a black foreigner claimed that the number n influence of Indians n whites in Nairobi,Kenya is too much for a typical black african country buh i never thot it was that much~~.

TayserMahiri, muafrika2, PissedYagami, MtuMsuper
Is this really true?
I'm sorry if i sound so much of a critic or racist, i am not against foreigners in any way. I love em buh i don't like the idea of foreigners dominating or having so much influence in African cities. Nuuh i don't. Why should they?

I guess for a Nigerian its not easy for you to understand what having a UN Headquarter in a city means!

vaxx:
A cocoa farmer coffin

Hahahahaha. Funny stuff

uzzyfire:
d way these Kenyans talk they tire me self , they say our accent is a turn off , person go think say their accent is better

Our accent is way better. It is clear for anybody

uzzyfire:
its our politicians that are duin d good job

But am sure you will elect them again next time

68816419:

we all know who owns cape town, a city were blacks r looked with suspicious lol

South Africa belongs to South Africans, and Makoko belongs to Nigerians

MPSA:


My Brother! Now you sing ''TONTO'', You think ''TONTO'' will fix naija, I am saying NO, NO,NO . Pave your streets like kenya, Build a beautiful train like kenya I will say YES,YES,YES, ''Nigeria is a GIANT'' , For now; Kenya deserve that title , Well done Kenya, Your Train is one of the best in the continent, Now, Watch the best BRT Buses in the continent
Cape Town: My citi
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Johannesburg: Rea Vaya
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Enjoy watching

Capetown is beautiful

V[quote][/quote] going through headlines for today
And a condolence from my heart to a gallant soldier.

genieluv:


Oh I like Kansime. She is funny .
Many Nigerians think she is Kenyan. Actually, most Nigerians may not be able to tell East africans apart, except the horners.
I also think or see Kenyans n Ugandans to have the same or similar accents.

Kenyans can laugh at the Ugandan accent all day. They arent similar even a bit. You should listen to Museveni speaking and compare to Uhuru Kenyatta or Raila Odinga speaking.

68816419:

we all know who owns cape town, a city were blacks r looked with suspicious lol

Cape town is part of SA

Getting filthy Chinese out of our forest and rivers

arinzeejikonye:
Ramadan Kareem,!

Same here... Jazakallahu khairan.

vaxx:
good for kenya. gdp per capital in ghana is 3.500dollar why that of kenya is 1.800 dollar. there is high possibility of making more cash in ghana compare to kenya. with your minimum wage .kenya govt has done well.

Chai!

Good night

uzzyfire:
cocomilian , u see d kind of statements that pisses me off.

Dont be short tempered. If a statement pisses u off either ignore it or laugh it off this thread seem to be a bit too sensitive.

uzzyfire:
OK OK I undstnd u.

Thank you

TayserMahiri:


Kenyans can laugh at the Ugandan accent all day. They arent similar even a bit. You should listen to Museveni speaking and compare to Uhuru Kenyatta or Raila Odinga speaking.

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vaxx:
1 cedis is 0.23 dollar . It cant really do more than buying a bottle water of 250ml. Which is more than enough to buy a 300ml of coca cola drinks in nigeria. You can covert it to kenya shillings to get the picture.

A 100ghc is 23 dollars enough to get you a room self contain in the capital city accra in average location more than enough to get you two month apartment in lagos in average location.

there is inflation in the system but you can beat it if you are working. you charge base on what you spend. you will not feel the inflation as a ghanian or foreigner so far you are working.

Hahahahahah! How much is a bottle of Coca cola in Ghana?

CocoMilian:


Dont be short tempered. If a statement pisses u off either ignore it or laugh it off this thread seem to be a bit too sensitive.

Some peeps have become touchyy

genieluv:


U seem to enjoy the comparisons n harsh wordings with the guys. I'm sorry buh i think it's very unladylike if u ask me. Women should be promoters of peace n love

Harsh wordings really?? Then ud find me uncomfortable to be around with Iv been trying to be reeeeally easy when commenting. As iv just said iv come to learn how delicate n sensitive this thread is unlike how I'm used to being expressive n straight foward unfortunately here opinions are taken negatively.

Yeah m not too "ladylike" been a tomboy my whole life sooooo....

And about that post you Nigerians blame everything on your population so I had to ask n I had no bad intentions when asking.

TayserMahiri:


Some peeps have become touchyy

Yes am sorry to say but maybe I'm just too used to the Kenyan vibe u can call yo hommie names get on each others neck tell each other off n still be cool with each other at the same time. While its different here,precisely Nigerians.

genieluv:


yaah true. Buh my fear is in the process of giving these giraffes food 'mouth to mouth' like that guy in your first photo did.

Hahaha They can't bite you or anything but their tongue is a bit hard so ull feel weird or ticklish

TayserMahiri:




Capetown is beautiful

South Africa is beautiful my brother, not only cape town

Watch Johannesburg

Santon johannesburg

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Johannesburg
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forgiveness:


Hahahahahah! How much is a bottle of Coca cola in Ghana?

highly affordable
Poor people In Ghana are less than 2%

KingGBsky:
Nigeria is greater better and more prosperous than any other African country.
#Fact.
Let's take a look at it.
Firstly the name the giant of Africa was given to us because of how the world sees us compared to other Africans.
Countries like South Africa, Kenya and some other African countries keep chasing us out of their country and angry with Nigerians who reside in the countries simply because they see how prosperous we immediately become while living in their various countries.
Nigeria is not all about the infrastructure and all that. But the people. We have a great name abroad not because of what Nigeria possesses but simply because of what they see us become.
Nigeria is massively respected in other African countries.
An inlaw of mine who had just finished working in Kenya in some couple of months told me a story of how the Kenyans treat them with great respect simply because they are Nigerians. They would even call others to come see Nigerians are around the area.
We know things are not going right in the country but believe me, that still does not change how other countries feel or think about Nigeria and Nigerians.
Nigeria is a great country no matter what you think.

To be honest my brother, They are playing with your mind, you aren't the GIANT Brother, don't allow them to play with your mind again , you are too far to be a GIANT, You must work harder and harder if you want to be a GIANT, No short cut This is the biggest joke ever playing with the minds of millions and millions of people is a real joke But I like this MPSA is also a Giant

MPSA:


South Africa is beautiful my brother, not only cape town

Watch Johannesburg

Santon johannesburg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_VSVSkW6Zg[/youtube]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuPT1VxmJMk[/youtube]

Johannesburg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrUVmWJKxss[/youtube]

I would love to visit suncity pretty soon when I come to SA. Iv had a few recommendations.

vaxx:
A cocoa farmer coffin

What are some of the most outrageous coffins built in Ghana and can you share the pics?

Just30:
V going through headlines for today
And a condolence from my heart to a gallant soldier.

I saw this news and the horrifing pictures earlier yesterday and its just sad. What a beautiful family he had. I couldn't believe they even had to burn him

But I saw the soldiers are revenging and the people involved were being punished and alot of people are cheering for them to be killed too. I dont agree with that tho life is too precious.

CocoMilian:


I would love to visit suncity pretty soon when I come to SA. Iv had a few recommendations.

Sun City is a good place for tourist, I also love the place, the other beautiful place in that region is haartebeespoort, Is almost 50 km from Sun City, Is too close to Pretoria, You will never regret if you can visit that area, It has a big dam,cable car, hotels, Hot balloon, the place is beautiful.

TayserMahiri:


You said 60 dollars for Ghana is the highest minimum wage for west africa?

Nigeria's minimum wages fluctuated btw 100 - 120 dollars 5 years ago and before recession and devaluation recently.

Presently it's 59 dollars but it will be reviewed to about 180 dollars soon and if naira appreciates it will around 250 dollars.

CocoMilian:


I would love to visit suncity pretty soon when I come to SA. Iv had a few recommendations.

That nigga will rape u and infect u with hiv...they got the highest hiv/aids prevalence and he's positive

FreddyKruger:


That nigga will rape u and infect u with hiv...they got the highest hiv/aids prevalence and he's positive

Stop this nonsense talk.

9jakool:


No, I have no interest. I'm basing my conclusion directly off of science and oral history.

Kwararafa was a 16th century confederacy of ethnic groups in the Benue-Taraba region. Most cross river people do not come from Kwararafa, unless the few from the border. Cross river groups like Ejagham are closer linguistically to Tivs and they speak closely related language. How come the Ejagham aren't from Congo. Let me go further. In fact, according to linguistic evidence a long time ago the Ejagham and the Tivs once spoke the same language known as Southern Bantoid. Ejagham are very ancient West African people that invented one if the few indigenous writing system on the continent dating as far back as 2,000 YEARS ago. Have you ever heard of the Ikom monoliths. Bantu groups didn't migrate from Congo, It's the other way around since Bantu migrated from the border of Nigeria and Cameroon to the rest of Africa. Scientists have documented a lot of evidence for the bantu migration from the edge of West Africa to the rest of Africa which we know as The Great Bantu migration/expansion. No such documentation of Bantu migration from Congo back to Nigeria exists. Again, I'm aware the Tivs were expansionists based on their origin.

You and I are not Tivs. I also study the history of this people, especially linguistics.

The bolded would be false based on your theory. Kwararafa exists somewhere around 16th century. If the Tiv came after Kwararafa, then that means the Tiv population is very recent and their language would still be very close to other Bantu languages, especially from Congo that the supposedly came from. Bantu expansion occurred thousands of years ago and even after thousands of years later, Bantu languages have many similarities with each other. This can be best demonstrated with their number system.
Linguistic evidence
Take for example, Kikuyu language from Kenya with the counting system from 1-10:
Ĩmwe, Igĩrĩ, Ithatũ, Inya, Ithano, Ithathatũ Mũgwanja, Inyanya, Kenda, Ikũmi. Notice the similarity with another language county system.

This is Zulu in South Africa, 4 thousands kilometers away:
kunye, kubili, kuthathu, kune, kuhlanu, isithupha, isikhombisa, isishiyagalombili, isishiyagalolunye, ishumi.

In Congo, the apparent Tiv homeland, the Kikongo counting system are: moosi, zoole, tatu, ya, taanu, saambanu, ntsambwaadi, naana, vwe/vwa, kuumi.

In Tiv language: the numerical system are: mom, uhwa, utaa, unyii, utaan, aterata, utankaauhwa, anieni, utankwunyi, pue.


See, even Bantu languages that have been separated for millennia share more in common with each other, than Tiv which relatively recently migrated from Congo the fall of Kwarafa according to you. Can you find me a language in Congo that's very similar to Tiv?

See the multiple similarities in Bantu languages. Also in many bantu languages, the word for people is "bantu." This isn't the case for Tiv which lacks that terminology. Researchers classified Tiv and some surrounding languages as Bantoid not Bantu. Bantoid languages are close to Bantu languages, they are not the same necessarily. In

Archaeology and Historic evidence
*Tiv claim descendant from an ancestor named Tiv who had two progenitor sons; Chongo and Pusu.
Tiv claim they originate from a hillly/mountainous area known as Swem, before settling at the Benue valley.


"Archaeological researches conducted on abandoned settlement sites in Tivland particularly the hilltop settlement sites have also been useful in the search for Tiv origin and migrations. These researches seem to support the assertion by Tiv oral traditions that, the Tiv inhabited the hilltops as they migrated from Swem into the Benue Valley of Nigeria. The migration from Swem according to oral traditions was sparked in part, by conflict with other tribes (Akiga 1939, Makar 1975, Gbor 1978) and the hilltops provided the needed protection from their enemies as they were pursued into the Benue Valley. Archaeological and ethno archaeological works conducted by scholars such as Andah 1983, Folorunso 1989, Ogundele 1993, Gundu 1999, Ndera 2009, and Chia 2014 have associated the hilltop settlements in Tivland today with the Tiv."

This hilltop settlements predate Kwararafa as archeologists found Tiv pottery and tools evidence dating back to the 1400s.

"Having examined the evidence available for Tiv origin and migrations from different sources, it seems the notion of a Tiv migration from somewhere around the Nigeria- Cameroon border into the Benue Valley of Nigeria is not in doubt again."



A lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria are expansionists, Igala, Nupe, Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Ebira and Fulani are all expansionists, but does that make them Bantu languages? It's true that Tiv as Bantoid does feature some similarities with Bantu, but they are not necessarily the same.

Again don't get me wrong, my point all along is still that Tiv is Bantoid, because it's the factual classification and as such the closest groups to Bantu languages. Tivs are similar to other Bantoid groups found in Cameroon as well. In Cameroon, there is a distinction, as well as a bond between Bantu-speaking ethnic groups and Bantoid ethnic groups with each accounting for around a third of the population.
I hope this helps.

Research Info from:
Richard Terungwa Chia
Department of Archaeology,
Ahmadu Bello University,
Zaria, Nigeria.

Below is a map of the language classification. Look at the Southern boarder between Cameroon and Nigeria. The dark and light orange represents Bantoid languages. The brown represents Bantu languages.

Underneath are the original abandoned ancient Tiv hill settlements uncovered by archaeologists.

Cc MtuMsuper, nowenuse, muafrika2

I love your explanations 9jakool buh please can you try to put some summariness? Thanks.

First of all, in response to your second paragraph or first point, i'd like you to know that a good number of ethnic groups in Cross river north n maybe central do share Kwararafa origins e.g the Yalas, yaches, bekwarras, obubra n obanliku e.t.c.
There was a time a few years ago that traditional rulers from Cross river and other states of Nigeria went to Wukari to meet the Aku-Uka n confer their rightful ancestry to his kingdom.
Check the link below to confirm, the 2nd paragraph of the 1st page.

http://www.academia.edu/7007449/Origin_of_Kwararafa_Kingdom


Before i throw in a few explanations about the Tivs, i'd like you to read this link very well.

http://naijasky.com/benue-state/19/history-of-tiv-people/9455/

After reading this link, i don't think we need much explanations or arguments again to understand where you and i are missing it.

I was missing the fact that even though Tivs came from Congo, they did not come to Benue region of Nigeria immediately, they settled at the swem hills in present day Cameroon until it became overpopulated for them before they came to Benue, Central Nigeria and displaced we the kwararafan tribes.
You are missing the fact that they possibly came from somewhere before arriving the swem hills (in present day Cameroon).

Another point we are having a misunderstanding is the issue of Tiv expansion and their expansionist nature.
It's unfortunate that you don't understand my explanation of Tiv expansion, that was why you were comparing Tiv expansion to Igala, Nupe, Edo or Yoruba expansion.
Hope you know that there are over a million Tivs in Nasarawa n Taraba states? Buh the Tivs in these states are not regarded or recognized as Indigenes by the other ethnic grouops in these states because these people all knew when the Tivs arrived.
We in Benue don't have such audacity because the Tivs are the majority here and their settlements in Benue are definitely older than those in neighbouring Nasarawa n Taraba states.
Tivs are/used to be the kind of people who will come to your community in peace looking for farmlands and once you have given them it is finished, they have the highest birth rate of any tribe in Nigeria or even Africa and multiply so fast. Within a short time they have already outnumbered you in your community and before your people can say jack, they have already had more settlements surrounding your community and if you try to fight them, you are most likely to loose the fight due to their large numbers. This was how they displaced most Kwararafan tribes and are still displacing us till date (only that civilization n education has reduced it to an extent).

This is the reason why you find Benue river Jukun n Etulo (Idoma speaking tribe) communities in the heart of Tiv land in Benue state, completely enclaved by Tiv communities. During the height of Tiv expansion when they displaced Kwararafan tribes, some like the Etulo n River Benue jukuns (who are mostly fisher people) and probably thought they could not do without the River Benue stayed behind, and this was how they were enclaved and cut off away from their linguistic sibblings. Today, most of them have adopted Tiv language, culture n identity and it's just a matter of few decades for them to be completely Tiv-ized.


If you want to study the history of a tribe, especially through the oral means. Another good way you can do it is by asking the neighbouring tribes of that ethnic group to give you some oral accounts about their neighbours.
I will try to find some online documents featuring oral accounts from Idomas, Jukuns, Agatus, Igedes, Alagos and all other ethnic groups neighbouring the Tivs.
Buh being from this area, i have had first hand oral history info from my own tribe and other neighbouring Kwararafan tribes on the Tivs and it is exactly the same story from every quarters about the Tivs being expansionists who came to their lands not too long ago.
If you want to confirm this, pls feel free to befriend any person from an ethnic group of Kwararafan descent in Taraba, Benue, Nasarawa or Cross river state.
Thanks.

***It's unfortunate i accused your post of being too lengthy, while mine is no different . I apologize****