Hati13:

Wait, was there permanente settlement in Kenya around 10,000 BC?
Genocide is ugly!

Not permanent settlement but something close. The Lake Turkana area was a fertile land 10,000 BC, it seems there was a particularly fatal disagreement that caused so much war.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/evidence-of-massacre-10-000-years-ago-found-in-kenya-1.2505549

TayserMahiri:


Lol, yea, its only the US nothing much

TayserMahiri:


Whats shadi abi?

The flogging kasala

TayserMahiri:


I thought Dangote was Hausa Muslim?

Loz! Y not just a Fulani or Hausa man

TayserMahiri:


Are their numbers exagerrated? What is the ethnicity of Aliko Dangote? Isalhabash says hes not Hausa which is confusing.

Sorry... Dangote is Hausa.

ednited:


Is there Nigeria Broadcasting Coorporation?

Yah... NTA rather

Isahalbash:








Nop, you r wrong too even in Borno a non Hausa state, we have indigenous hausas. They hausas mayb in minority in those states but they r indigenes... I just understood why most Hausas in plateau state r NT gvn indigene letter they rather obtained it in Bauchi.



We have majority Hausas in - Kano, Jigawa, Sokoto, Kaduna( you might disagree, but hausas r majority here oda tribes r minorities), Zamfara, Katsina, Bauchi and maybe Kebbi( nt to sure here)... Minority in Borno, gombe, yobe, adamawa, Niger, Nasarawa, plateau, Taraba.









If Hausas r 50% in Kaduna nd kebbi states respectively, in a state dat has multiple ethnic groups- And d oda 50% is divided amongst d Jabba, kataf, Fulani, Gwari etc. Someone should do d calculation for me and tell me which is d majority tribe in such states...

Holly the problem we are having here is that it seems like you do not understand what it means for a tribe to be indigenous to a place (especially according to Nigeria's definition)
>>>> You claim that hausas ae indigenous to Borno state, where n who are the hausa traditional rulers in Borno? How many villages, ancestral lands n terrains do they have in Borno? Where are the hausa cultural sites where hausa festivals or cultural activities r celebrated in Borno? There are none if you are sincere.

You will agree with me that outside the 7 north-western states the hausas do not have any of these cultural/ancestral heritage in other northern states. So, they cannot be indigenous to those places.

~~~I never disputed that the hausas are the majority ethnic group in Kaduna state. However, they are not an absolute majority in Kaduna cos they form about half of the population of the state n the other minorities also form about half of the population, making it a 50/50 thing. Yaaah, it is a 50/50 thing cos most of those minority groups are of similar heritage, religion, culture n language and cannot be easily differentiated, they most times unite under a common 'Southern kaduna or Chungai' identity~~~

ednited:


okay, what about Oluwanagode? Does it mean 'Thankyou'?

OLUWA is a Yoruba word for God while NAGODE is Hausa word for " thank." D combo mean " God I thank you."

TayserMahiri:


Are their numbers exagerrated? What is the ethnicity of Aliko Dangote? Isalhabash says hes not Hausa which is confusing.

yaaah, Ishalbash is not hausa n neither am i nor nowenuse. We only speak hausa cos hausa is the lingua franca of most of northern Nigeria.
>>>> yaah, hausa population tends to be exaggerated cos of the fact that it has become a 2nd language to most northern nigerians of other ethnic groups, so the entire northern Nigeria is sometimes classified as Hausa.

Dangote is a Hausa or a Hausa of fulani ancestry (a hausanized fulani).

TayserMahiri:


It seems the bigger communities in Nigeria are overwhelmingly big for the smaller ones. I think in Kenya there is not much risk of complete domination of entire regions/ethnicities by single ethnic groups

Yaaah, holly this was a colonial problem. The British colonialists in a desire for administrative convenience decided to classify all Nigeria into 3 major ethnic groups. Hausa, yoruba n Igbo. The minority groups were all expected to fall under one of the classifications.
>>> This led to the absolute domination & control of minority groups by majorities, not until independence when democracy n creation of states started giving we minority groups a voice
Unfortunately, this old system had already wrought some irreversible damages to some minority groups, which may never be recovered.

genieluv:


Holly the problem we are having here is that it seems like you do not understand what it means for a tribe to be indigenous to a place (especially according to Nigeria's definition)
>>>> You claim that hausas ae indigenous to Borno state, where n who are the hausa traditional rulers in Borno? How many villages, ancestral lands n terrains do they have in Borno? Where are the hausa cultural sites where hausa festivals or cultural activities r celebrated in Borno? There are none if you are sincere.

You will agree with me that outside the 7 north-western states the hausas do not have any of these cultural/ancestral heritage in other northern states. So, they cannot be indigenous to those places.

~~~I never disputed that the hausas are the majority ethnic group in Kaduna state. However, they are not an absolute majority in Kaduna cos they form about half of the population of the state n the other minorities also form about half of the population, making it a 50/50 thing. Yaaah, it is a 50/50 thing cos most of those minority groups are of similar heritage, religion, culture n language and cannot be easily differentiated, they most times unite under a common 'Southern kaduna or Chungai' identity~~~

In your context of " indigenous" if a people don't have d aforementioned characteristics they r not an indigene of dat state/ place... Well, in my state d kanuris also don't have some of what u mentioned, but they r still indigenes of that state nd d majority hausas and fulanis wwho have d emirs nd what hv u, can dispute that.



Lolz! You mean d southern kadunas who don't have stake in kd... People who hv bn ruled by hausas nd fulanis from time immemorial, besides, all d infrastructures in kd r situated in d northern part. Hausas and fulanis r majority in kd.

genieluv:


yaaah, Ishalbash is not hausa n neither am i nor nowenuse. We only speak hausa cos hausa is the lingua franca of most of northern Nigeria.
>>>> yaah, hausa population tends to be exaggerated cos of the fact that it has become a 2nd language to most northern nigerians of other ethnic groups, so the entire northern Nigeria is sometimes classified as Hausa.

Dangote is a Hausa or a Hausa of fulani ancestry (a hausanized fulani).

I tink he's a pure Hausa since he was d grandson of Alhassan dantata the billionaire of his time.

TayserMahiri:


So they are that many. Does the indigene vs settler phenomenon cause some strained relationships?

Yeah in some northern christian state like plateau.

TayserMahiri:


Are Ogieks still in existent? I seriously thought they went extinct

They just won a court case against eviction from the May forest.

ednited:
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! HAVE A BLAST!!

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NairobiWalker:

Fair...
Most Bantus who do well in very heavy sports are mixed with nilotes though. Interestingly, mixed Bantus are on average stronger than both Bantus and Nilotes (e.g Luhya, Baganda, Bagisu, Banyoro, Kisii to some extent). The Eastern Bantus who didn't mix with Nilotes aren't so good in heavy sports such as weightlifting eg. Kamba, Taita, Chagga, Pare etc. Kikuyu's are a very mixed people - some of them are more mixed with Nilotes while others are more mixed with cushites

That's true, but there are purer Bantus eg Congolese who excel in football. I think they would do well in weight lifting too.

Those Bantus you mentioned mixed with other like hunter gatherers and cushites. Cushites can run too BTW. I hear Ethiopian champions are mainly Oromo.

Hati13:
To my wenedem(Brother)NairobiWalker

melkam ldet emegnlhalew!(I wish you a happy birthday!)

Thanks for the Cake and drink. You've filled my stomach lol

Thank you!!

NairobiWalker:


Thank you dear! I'm glad you noticed. I share it with Che Guevara and Donald Trump!

HBD

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We don't joke

ednited:


Then how come ours become better?

Better in quality of trains was what he was talking about, not in terms of scale.
The Nigeria's train goes across the country, the train he was talking about was the Addis light rail. So the scale or size is different, however I think the government still spent a lot of money, a large sum probably going to corrupt officials.

TayserMahiri:


So they are that many. Does the indigene vs settler phenomenon cause some strained relationships?

Yes! There are some tensions. Take for example, many Hausa have settled in indigine(minority groups) towns and cities which has created tension in the past. In many instances, like during the Jos riots, the conflicts often take on a religious dimension because some ethnic groups are predominantly muslim and others are predominantly christians, and some have more religious diversity.

Another form of tension that often takes place in the rural area between farmers who are the indigene of the land and Fulani herdsmen who are nomadic pastoralists. Many of the conflicts can be attributed to land/grazing rights. Some of the tension arose because the animals of the Fulanis often graze and temper near or over the farmer's field. This toxic mix leads to violence in some instances.

TayserMahiri:


Bruh, did you watch the NTV documentary on the Pokot Warriors? It was sad, yet still comedic. These guys live in their own planet

That Pokot warrior

Sadly, he's saying the truth. But the surrounding communities are tired of being beaten too. They think arming themselves is the solution, Their brand new guns will be Pokot owned very soon.

genieluv:


yah, Islam has destroyed the culture.

Not the Woodabe Fulanis, you should check them out. Do you know in Woodabe culture, the men wear makeup like the women? The men perform a special dance during the anual gerowol festival in which the women freely choose their husband. The wifes also have the right to divorce their husband and they get to keep the dowry afterwards. Woodabes uphold a very traditional Fulani nomadic culture.

TayserMahiri:



hehe, we should definitely encourage more inter ethnic marriages if we want to dominate sports.

Definitely

Isahalbash:








Nop, you r wrong too even in Borno a non Hausa state, we have indigenous hausas. They hausas mayb in minority in those states but they r indigenes... I just understood why most Hausas in plateau state r NT gvn indigene letter they rather obtained it in Bauchi.

We have majority Hausas in - Kano, Jigawa, Sokoto, Kaduna( you might disagree, but hausas r majority here oda tribes r minorities), Zamfara, Katsina, Bauchi and maybe Kebbi( nt to sure here)... Minority in Borno, gombe, yobe, adamawa, Niger, Nasarawa, plateau, Taraba.


If Hausas r 50% in Kaduna nd kebbi states respectively, in a state dat has multiple ethnic groups- And d oda 50% is divided amongst d Jabba, kataf, Fulani, Gwari etc. Someone should do d calculation for me and tell me which is d majority tribe in such states...

Can you give the local government areas where Hausa dominate in Borno?
Bro, Hausa aren't native to Borno. Just because you are born there doesn't mean you are an indigine of the land. Just like if you were born in Lagos doesnot mean Igbos or Hausas are native to Lagos?

genieluv:


Yaaah, holly this was a colonial problem. The British colonialists in a desire for administrative convenience decided to classify all Nigeria into 3 major ethnic groups. Hausa, yoruba n Igbo. The minority groups were all expected to fall under one of the classifications.
>>> This led to the absolute domination & control of minority groups by majorities, not until independence when democracy n creation of states started giving we minority groups a voice
Unfortunately, this old system had already wrought some irreversible damages to some minority groups, which may never be recovered.

Yes,
Even the states isn't completely accurate like in Kaduna state when minority groups are under the domination of Hausa. Even though Kaduna state is supposed to be half and half, in the history of governors since civilian rule, the Hausa/Fulani have ruled a total of 4 times and a minority from Southern Kaduna has only been in office one time. That's why I support some form of federalism like Ethiopia that will remove minority groups from the domination of majority ones. The only minorities that will be grouped with majority groups are minority groups who are historically linked, have the same interest and would rather join the majority group. In my vision, Edo affiliated groups will be group together; groups that associate with Kwararafa in another; other minorities who are similar like the Kaje, Tyap, and other groups will be in another region; the Ijaw, Kanuri, Efik-Ibibio groups would also get a region of their own. It does not necessary have to be like this, but something similar to this nature. This form of regionalism would give each region some form of autonomy similarly to European countries like Italy, Spain, Germany, France, UK, etc.

Take for example before the unification of Italy, there were many ethnic groups in Italy that have various culture and languages. A Veneto speaking from Venice will not understand a Sicilian speaking person from Palermo and neither would understand the German dialect spoken in Sud Tyrol, because the three cultures and languages are very different. A common lingua franca, the Italian language was adopted to booster a national identity and unify the country. The Italian language was actually based on the Florentine dialect of the Toscan language. Even with this national identity, there are regionalism that are created to give a sense of autonomy to the various historically different ethnic groups that make up Italy. The Sicilians, Sardinians, Lingurian, Lombards, etc have their own region govern by regional presidents. Italy which doesn't have close to the diversity and langauges of Nigeria is broken into 20 regions while Nigeria with far greater diversity was broken down by the British into 3 regions which are not representing. The fact that there are Yorubas and other groups that were never under the Sokoto caliphate or even linked historically in the North does not make sense, the fact that there are middle belts groups in the Northwest dominated by Hausa does not make sense as well. When the British carved up Nigeria, they weren't interested in representing the will of the people, otherwise they won't have take over and fought the local populations who didn't want their rule. If the European colonists weren't interested in representing the will or interest if the people, the Akan will be in the same country, the Hausa wouldn't have been split accross 2 countries, The Yorubas would have been in the same country, there won't even have been colonialism to begin with.

Hati13:

Oh sorry for misreading it. So the answer is Cushites aren't mix of Semites and Nilotes. Semites are sister of Cushites. And like I said, Cushites have nothing to do with Nilotes. The ancestor of Cushites was Afro-Asiatic language speakers around 10,000 BC. Afro-Asiatic language back then was one language.

That can't be true. You just recently narrated how inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula came into Ethiopia and mixed with Agaw and other local tribes, and we know the NorthEast Africa was Nilotic territory.

9jakool:

Can you give the local government areas where Hausa dominate in Borno?
Bro, Hausa aren't native to Borno. Just because you are born there doesn't mean you are an indigine of the land. Just like if you were born in Lagos doesnot mean Igbos or Hausas are native to Lagos?

I knw all dat daz y I never claimed to be an indigene of Lagos in d first place and you don't need to dominate a local govt to be a native of dat state.





If am to go by d actual definition of " indigenous," then many tribes in Nigeria are not indigenes of d states/ places they dominated today since most of Dem migrated from somewhere nd settled in where they r today.




We Have Hausas who r native of borno just d way we have kanuris as natives of Nasarawa state respectively.

Isahalbash:






I knw all dat daz y I never claimed to be an indigene of Lagos in d first place and you don't need to dominate a local govt to be a native of dat state.





If am to go by d actual definition of " indigenous," then many tribes in Nigeria are not indigenes of d states/ places they dominated today since most of Dem migrated from somewhere nd settled in where they r today.




We Have Hausas who r native of borno just d way we have kanuris as natives of Nasarawa state respectively.

So by your definition, there are Igbos who are native to Kano?

9jakool:

So by your definition, there are Igbos who are native to Kano?

Likewise hausas/ igbos who r indigenes of Lagos since they dominate some places according to ur definition...

MtuMsuper:

My dear, why have you fallen into this trap where you ascribe all progress in another African country to non black people? Have you ever met intelligent and educated non Nigerian Africans in your life?

This is what an Angolan told me . This has nothing to do with not being able to attribute sucess to Africans, but the reality on ground.

Isahalbash:




Likewise hausas/ igbos who r indigenes of Lagos since they dominate some places according to ur definition...

Ok, by "native" especially in the Nigerian context, I mean being indigene. Let's just differentiate between indegene and native.