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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:35pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
For the life of me I cannot understand why they want to invite Ighalo again. When he was in top form he was maximum crap for us, now that he isn't even in form we want to invite him? That his spot could be taken up by another chinese based striker who is in better form, Martins or Adi, why is Ighalo getting invited again?! 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:53pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: Most times, physical sides employ the direct route of long balls and set pieces. The solution lies in keeping the ball for a long time and prevent the opposing team getting a chance to win the ball in dangerous positions. Anyone trying to play in artistic way will be the point of target. Most especially Victor Moses. They will rely on fouling, counter attacking with pace and power. Whipping the ball into dangerous areas. The central back positions are key and I agree in selecting players who are strong and good in the air. But it could be detrimental to build up play because physical defenders prefer to hurl the ball out instead of passing. That entails giving back possession. We should aim at keeping the ball and hitting them with off the ball mobility. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:19pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Icon4s: Ha. My tip of Awaziem came from the reports and not fondness. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:21pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: you can still play a possession based game with bullish defenders, just that you need a very mobile DMF who will not shy away from the ball, who will fall in between the two CBS collect the passes directly from their feet and feed the next line of midfield. this just shows that our main area right now has to be the DMF 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:26pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Mickael2: It helps with a ball playing conscious defensive midfielder but under pressure (against a pressing attack), those defenders will look to clear the ball than find their ball playing defensive midfielder. That is why the team needs a balance in defenders/defensive midfielder selection. I agree a very mobile ball playing defender who sticks close to the defenders will make a world of difference for physical playing defenders. Also the wing backs need to also fall back to give the defenders passing options. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 3:34pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: the problem is that I don't really think Rohr will be tactical enough to think of something like this. we are probably going to see the same approach we had against Algeria with the same starting eleven 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 3:38pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Abeg Thegoodjoe criticize or castigate Awaziem and Iheanacho so we all can move on 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 4:01pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
maidaboi: When a Player is being blamed unfairly...... what do you call it?! Objective Criticism?! 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:29pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Another veteran has towed my line of thinking again. by Segun Odegbami 16/06/2017, 16:52 Eagles - this time truly beaten Last Saturday in Uyo, something went very wrong for Nigeria’s Super Eagles, and very right for South Africa’s Bafana Bafana. While Nigerians were stunned into a state of disbelief by the pedestrian performance of their national team, South Africans were ecstatic in celebrating the heights to which their football soared in defeating the once-invincible Eagles with unbelievable ease. The victory was not a fluke. It was real, and its significance is that, finally, the jinx of Nigeria’s 25-year superiority of competitive football between the two countries has been broken, the calabash shattered, and the myth destroyed, forever. Things will never be the same again between the two countries in football. Such a feat by the South Africans, as was displayed by their team, is never accomplished in a day or in a sprint. Becoming a football giant is never achieved overnight. It is usually a marathon, a painstaking journey, a systematic progression through stages of slow development armed with the patience of a vulture that can produce such a performance. In short, the improvement of Bafana Bafana is real. It has taken them all of 25 years to break through the psychological, physical and technical barriers that generally held them back for so long. Nigeria has been their ultimate litmus test because, aside from never defeating Nigeria, it has never been an easy task for any country to accomplish. So, to do so on Nigerian ground was an exceptional feat that must be acknowledged, even though the Eagles were also abysmally poor on the night. The South African team played with a lot of gusto, confidence, discipline, organisation and with a simple strategy that was executed effectively and masterfully. Towards the end of the match, they made the Nigerian team look like bungling school boys. The Nigerians resorted to the football of the 1960s – long, high hopeful balls from defence to a frontline that was tamed by towering defenders. At the end of the day, everyone agrees, Gernot Rohr is to blame. It was all his fault, his mistakes, and his responsibility. The team he assembled was simply not good enough. He took South Africa for granted and assumed that any team he assembled would defeat them based on history and past tradition. He played with the weakest goalkeeper to have ever kept goal for the Super Eagles. He played a young debutant in the heart of the defence. He played with three great defensive midfielders in one team at the same time. Throughout most of the match they clashed in their roles. He did not have a holding midfield player as well as a creative midfield general. He did not play the young in-form forwards at the start of the game. He did not have the player(s) to calm things down when the going got tough, and to maintain some discipline in his formation. Finally, he only deployed his new, young, in-form and lethal forwards late in the game when the match had already been lost. The players became totally lost, and will now require some deep psychological healing to regain their confidence going forward. But having said all of that, I refuse to take back my words from last week that a new Super Eagles team is in the offing. It is apparent that Rohr, the German manager of the Super Eagles, did not have the deep understanding of the psychology of Nigerian football - that you do not pamper players hewn on the rough, tough, crisis-driven and chaotic diet of Nigerian football. Clemens Westerhof made them ‘mad’ by depriving them, annoying them, challenging them and daring them before throwing them into the dungeon of hard games. Rohr must take a few lessons from his methods. The greatest challenge Rohr will now have to face is how to rekindle the Nigerian spirit in the team and to restore the self-confidence that must have been shattered by their failure to live up to all the pre-match hype and huge expectations of Nigerians in the new players. The absence of the experiences of players like Vincent Enyeama, John Mikel Obi and Victor Moses was apparent in that match. Those individuals were needed at a point during the match to calm down the players and help them to maintain their more effective passing game with fast runs down the flanks to break down the South African defence until the very end. So, beyond last Saturday, Rohr’s work is well cut out for him. He must have learned new and useful lessons. Some elementary mistakes were made that must never be repeated. He must get the Eagles to put this painful defeat behind them, and start to slowly nurture the team back to health. He needs time and many matches, both of which, unfortunately, are in short supply. He must finally reassure Nigerians about the future to secure their full support again. Rohr, without question, has the right temperament. He is cool, calm and collected. The last things he needs now are any form of rebuke or interference by the NFF, its technical committee or the public. What he needs is support and understanding. These Eagles can still be the future of Nigerian football if Rohr does not allow this one match to destabilise, discourage and distract him from his goal of a new and better Super Eagles team that can play at the highest levels. He has embarked on the journey already and is assembling the right kind of squad amongst those available presently around the world. He will encounter hiccups like the South African defeat along the way, but how he manages to weather the storms and still maintain a winning tradition through the critical and difficult matches ahead will be his ultimate challenge. The team needs an injection of a few critical mature and experienced players in the side, particularly in goal, in the heart of the defense and in the attacking midfield position. It needs a creative midfield general, an artist, a player that can hold the ball and deliver ‘killer’ passes to free a frontline brimming with goal-scoring talent. The very quick attackers must be filled with the confidence and freedom to take on defenders, use the spaces in the flanks and their natural physicality within the box to finish in front of goal. So, although their wings are temporarily clipped, they will soon grow back, and the Eagles will fly high once again. This time the Super Eagles were truly well beaten. I say congratulations to Bafana Bafana for a well-deserved victory! https://www.supersport.com/football/blogs/segun-odegbami/Eagles_this_time_truly_beaten 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:42pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Some very important points from Segun Mathematical7 Odegbami Reasons for our loss: 1. SOUTH AFRICA'S PROGRESSION OVER THE YEARS: "In short, the improvement of Bafana Bafana is real. It has taken them all of 25 years to break through the psychological, physical and technical barriers that generally held them back for so long. Nigeria has been their ultimate litmus test because, aside from never defeating Nigeria..." With my earlier opinion: 100% in agreement 2. ROHR FAILING TO STUDY SA: "He took South Africa for granted and assumed that any team he assembled would defeat them based on history and past tradition. He played with the weakest goalkeeper to have ever kept goal for the Super Eagles. He played a young debutant in the heart of the defence." With my earlier opinion: 100% in agreement 3. PLAYER SELECTION AS REGARDS ROLES IN THE MIDFIELD: "He played with three great defensive midfielders in one team at the same time. Throughout most of the match they clashed in their roles. He did not have a holding midfield player as well as a creative midfield general. ... It needs a creative midfield general, an artist, a player that can hold the ball and deliver ‘killer’ passes to free a frontline brimming with goal-scoring talent. The very quick attackers must be filled with the confidence and freedom to take on defenders, use the spaces in the flanks and their natural physicality within the box to finish in front of goal." With my earlier opinion: 100% in agreement (I had said we lost the match in the midfield) 4. DEPLOYING HIS IN-FORM FORWARDS: "Finally, he only deployed his new, young, in-form and lethal forwards late in the game when the match had already been lost." [Maybe referring to Kayode] I didn't say this earlier. As I don't think either of Kayode or Osihmen would have made a difference even if they started 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:48pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Realistically speaking, let's not talk as if we have numerous options at the rear. Our best defenders remain Omeruo, Ekong and Balogun. Against cameroon we will need one or a couple solid defensive midfielders who are also ball playing ones. We will need a solid left back. For me Omeruo should remain at RB especially as Balogun is expected to return. Modified. The Defensive Midfielder should help support our defenders, but should still have a knack for good passes. As we have to be at A grade in our flowing game against Cameroon. I will be scared to start a rookie again like Awaziem. Else I would have looked in the direction of Ola Aina for the LB role. If John Ogu can play there - great! Because he is a lefty TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:04pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
My line up for Cameroon. I think we will need "The Rock" Esiti. Has good ball control. He is big and his passes are pretty good. No disrespect to Onazi. Ndidi will be fine helping out defensively as well. http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=ty19s |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:06pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:06pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: Joebie, I salute you for your objectivity. That is the spirit. You were one of those that strongly recommended Awaziem to start over Omeruo. But after the game you have come to realize why some of us wanted Omeruo no matter how Awaziem performed at the 'drills'. You now understand why I have always been against starting a rookie in the heart of the defense. With time I know this wound will heal. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:10pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Anybody who holds tight to his/her beliefs can never grow. As humans we need to keep learning. I was wrong about Awaziem. Icon4s: 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:12pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: Simple. YOU ARE A GREAT MAN BRO. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:25pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: hav come to dislike SEGUN alot, he is always bias in his analysis of game involving SE, never for once had he said something good about the SE, and I bet if he was given the job he would be worse than our ex-coaches |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by whizola: 5:27pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Pls guys, what abt nura adullahi can he stop our defensive issues? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:28pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
If I knew I would have hidden the author of this write-up. Are you saying what he said is not true? do4luv14: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:29pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Thanks boss! you too! Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:29pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Kog45: chaiii, oga ma wa for you ooo, ah don dey look ball since nah, you even know that guy we call PETER FREGENE ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:30pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
do4luv14: Haha haha. Seems the only Eagles he credits is his 1980 winning class. Ask him to pick 5 best Nigerian players ever and 4 will come from his set. He said Akpeyi is the worst Eagles goalie ever. He forgot there was one Chigozie Agbim. Hahahaha. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:31pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
I just read that Roma might loan him again to Spezia. He is "highly regarded" at the club though. Personally, I think he can some day. He needs more matches under his belt to help his fitness level as he was troubled with injuries this past season. whizola: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:33pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: what does he saw in that match that we don't see ![]() due to personal vendetta against the NFF 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:35pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Let's be objective in our arguments. This is Cameroon's squad that won AFCON 2017. Goalkeepers Jules Goda (Ajaccio, France) Fabrice Ondoa (Sevilla, Spain) Georges Bokwe (Coton Sport, Cameroon) Defenders Faï Collins (Standard Liege, Belgium) Ernest Mabouka (MSK Zilina, Slovakia) Nicolas Nkoulou (Lyon, France) Michael Ngadeu (Slavia Prague, Czech Republic) Adolph Teikeu (Sochaux, France) Ambroise Oyongo (Impact Monreal, USA) Mohammed Djetei (Terragone, Spain) Jonathan Ngwen (FC Progresso) Midfielders Sébastien Siani (Oostende, Belgium) Franck Boya (Apejes, Cameroon) Georges Mandjeck (Metz, France) Arnaud Djoum (Hearts, Scotland) Attackers Vincent Aboubakar (Besiktas, Turkey) Jacques Zoua (Kaiserslautern, Germany) Benjamin Moukandjo (Lorient, France) Clinton Njie (Olympique Marseille, France) Edgar Salli (Nuremberg, Germany) Christian Bassogog (Aalborg, Denmark) Toko Ekambi (Angers, France) Ndip Tambe (Spartak Trnava, Slovakia) I personally don't see why we attach so much to the league a player plays or the division. I think players from the Championship. La Liga II, Serie B, and other top lesser leagues in Europe can still offer something if given the chance. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:35pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Icon4s: correct man, you see , he won't even mention those that hold swell during that time, but would be going back and forth btw him, and HARUNA ILL ERIKA |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:37pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
oga.. most of his opinions on this piece I share even before I read his write-up today. Granted he may have always been biased. But I think he is FOR THE MOST PART on point, on this one. do4luv14: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:40pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Mickael2: and you won't understand, if you watch IGHALO games under FLORE you will see what he can offer, one thing that had been missing in our games lately, is that our coaches had not been watching and monitoring their club forms, to know why they play very well and score goals, and they won't still utilized them according to their potential, so as to do maximum damage to our opponents |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:42pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
do4luv14: Hahahaha Plus names like Muda Lawal and Adokiye |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 5:45pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
Joebie: I don't said he is of poi,t, but are you telling me that even after watching the match, you don't pin point it, 1. Onezi is always dis-organized, he dose not stay in his position, he like going here and dia, and wen the player who was supposed to be covering that area, see onazi doing it, he joins the attack thinking onazi will cover, but you already know he wo,t 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:49pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
do4luv14: Ok so we will play a formation that suits Ighalo. We will also play a formation that suits Iheanacho, we will also play a formation that brings the best out of Iwobi and all three players favour different formations from the one the coach wants, how many formations will we now be playing? 5? You think football is like that? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:50pm On Jun 16, 2017 |
do4luv14: Not to mention that Onazi was running from the ball. I watched that match and never for once did he fall in between the two CBs which is the main position of any good DMF when the ball is in our side of the pitch....but just let it go 1 Like |
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