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| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by tintingz(m): 10:19pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
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| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Demmzy15(m): 3:16am On Jun 19, 2017 |
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| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 4:45pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
I found a proper academic analysis of the verse in question, and thought to share some excerpts... ...7. The Arabic word “Daraba” The phrase ‘Id’ribuhunna’ for chapter 4 verse 34, has been by many critics, especially Anti-Islam propagandists have twisted and distorted the verse. The claim that the word sanctions (approves) of wife abuse has no historical basis. ‘Id’ribuhunna’, the verb of which is Daraba (“ضَرَبَ“). Daraba has many meanings, here are some of them: “Daraba (darb) to beat, strike, … to play … (to play musical instrument)l to make music; to type ( on a type writer); to sting (scorpion); to separate, part (… people); to impose (… on s.o. s.th.). to turn away from, leave, forsake, abandon, avoid, or shun s.o. or s.th.; – (darb, … daraban) to pulsate. … to move, stir, to rove, roam about, travel. …” (M…” (Hans Wehr A Dictionary of Modern written Arabic [Edited by John Milton – Spoken Language Services, Inc. 1976, 4th edition], page 629) In this case it is understood for the passage (Q 4:34) to mean ‘beat’ lightly (non-violent). This final step the husband was allowed to take, was in the case of clear adultery or something equal to that. When one looks at the verse in its historical perspective, it was always understood in a symbolic way. It was pointed out by the earliest scholars of Islam that the husband is not allowed to hurt, bruise, break any part of her body and must avoid the face. Prophet Muhammad (p) stated in his farewell pilgrimage as we showed earlier: “Treat women kindly, they are like captives in your hands; you do not owe anything else from them. In case they are guilty of open indecency (Fahishah Mubayyinah), then do not share their beds and beat them lightly but if they return to obedience, do not have recourse to anything else against them. You have rights over your wives and they have their rights over you. Your right is that they shall not permit anyone you dislike to enter your home, and their right is that you should treat them well in the matter of food and clothing.” (Jami at-Tirmidhi, volume 1, Book 7, Hadith 1163. Eng. Tran., Sahih Darussalam) We see from the above narration the Prophet (p) commanding his early followers that they treat their wives with kindness. The Prophet (p) also mentions that if his wife is found to be “guilty of indecency” (Fahisha Mubayyina), in this case, he was allowed to strike lightly in this instance only. Furthermore, how do we know that the strike is non-violent, non-aggressive and light? This last resort was understood by Prophet Muhammed in the above Hadith and scholars as ‘beat lightly’ or “non-violent strike’ (“ضَرْبًا غَيْرَ مُبَرِّحٍ”), touching her in such a way as to not leave a mark, nor hurt her. Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (838 – 923 AD) who is one of the earliest commentators of the Quran writes on Surah 4:34. Tabari has a tradition going back to one of the Companions of the Prophet (p) explains the word ‘beat’ as: “I asked Ibn Abbas: ‘What is the hitting that is Ghayr Al-Mubarrih?’ He replied [with] the siwak (toothbrush like a twig) and the like’. [Narrated by al-Tabari in his tafsir [Dar al-fikr] volume 5, page 68) Furthermore, Al-Razi (865 – 925 AD) who was a scholar also comments on the verse and mentions that as a rule, (a) it must be a light beating and (b) the face must be avoided. He added that certain Shafi’I jurists said “coiled scarf (mindil malfuf) or his hand may be used but not a whip nor a stick (Al-Razi volume 3, page 222). Sufyan Ibn Uyaynah (725 – 814 AD) states clearly that the punishment is “non-violent” [42] [43] [44]. From the evidence presented, it is abundantly clear that the beat was non-violent and light, that one was to use a Miswak (toothbrush) or “coiled scarf”, as the scholars stated. It is evident that the force utilised by a ‘folded scarf’ or a ‘miswak’ is, therefore, purely symbolic, it was in no way meant to hurt her. It was more of a shock. |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 4:51pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
8. Non-Muslim Academics on Surah 4:34 John Louis Esposito (b. 1940) is a professor of International Affairs and Islamic Studies at Georgetown University. He is a Catholic Christian he says in his book “What does Islam have to say about domestic violence?” He states that domestic violence is completely forbidden and the Prophet’s conduct is clear that he never touched any of his wives: “Domestic violence is a serious social problem in the West and globally, and the Muslim world is no exception. Many grass-roots movements and women’s organizations who work to eradicate it through education for both men and women emphasize Quranic teachings about the rights and responsibilities of men and women and about marital relations. In some Muslim societies, men use the Quran to justify domestic violence. However, many verses in the Quran teach that men and women are to be kind to and supportive of each other. Love and justice in family relationships are emphasized, and cruelty is forbidden. Quran 30:21 states, ‘And among his signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your [hearts]: behold, verily in that are signs for those who reflect.’ Quran 4:19 further commands, ‘O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take dislike to them it may be that you dislike a thing through which God brings about a great deal of good. ’Chronologically, the last Quranic verse to be revealed that addressed relations between husband and wife was 9:71, in which women and men are described as being each other’s protecting friends and guardians, emphasizing their cooperation in living together as partners, rather than adversaries or superiors and subordinates.Likewise, the hadith (Prophetic traditions) note Muhammad’s respect for and protection of women. Muhammad said, ‘The best of you is he who is best to his wife.’ Muhammad’s wife Aisha narrated that Muhammad never hit any servant or woman and never physically struck anyone with his own hand. Neither the Quran nor the hadith record Muhammad as ever mistreating or losing temper with any of his wives, even when he was unhappy or dissatisfied. Those who use the Quran to justify wife-beating point to 4:34, which says, ‘Good women are obedient, guarding in secret that which God has guarded. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, then banish them to beds apart and strike them. But if they obey you, do not seek a way against them.’ In recent years scholars have argued that ‘obedience’ refers to women’s attitude toward God, not toward her husband. Furthermore, obedience in this verse is tied to the women’s guarding of her chastity, so that an obedient women is one who does not commit sexual immorality. The word typically translated as ‘disobedience’ (Nushuz) refers to disruption of marital harmony in which one spouse fails to fulfil the required duties of marriage. It is applied elsewhere in the Quran to bother men and women. The end of the verse admonishes men not to mistreat women who obey them. Rather than granting men the right to strike their wives, reformers argue, this verse reminds men of their responsibility to treat women fairly. Quran 4:34 lists three methods to be used in resolving marital disputes. First comes admonition or discussion between the husband and wife alone or with the assistance of arbiters. This practice, also recommended by 4:35 and 4:128, is also to be used for couples considering divorce. If this fails, the second option is physical separation, sleeping in separate beds, which gives the couple space for cooling off and thinking about the future of their marital relationship. The third and final method is to strike or hit. The striking takes the singular form grammatically, so that only a single strike Is permissible. Quran 4:34 was revealed early In the Medinan period of Muhammad’s ministry, a time and place in which cruelty and violence against women remained rampant. Thus some Muslim scholars today argue that the single strike permitted in this verse was intended as a restriction on an existing practice, not as a recommended method for dealing with one’s wife. In the major hadith collections– Muslim, Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Abu Daud, Nasai, and Ibn Majah- hadith about striking all emphasize that striking should be done in such a way AS NOT TO CAUSE PAIN OR HARM. THESE SOURCES TRESS STRESS THAT IN CASES WHERE A SINGLE STRIKE IS USED, IT SHOULD BE MERELY SYMBOLIC. The founder of the Shafii law of school maintained that it is preferable to avoid striking altogether. Despite the fact that domestic violence continued to exist in male-dominated cultures and to be legitimated in the name of religion, neither the majority of Quranic verses nor the hadith support or permit it.” (What Everyone Needs to Know about Islam: Second Edition [Copyright 2011] by John L. Esposito page 114 – 116) |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 4:57pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
Rev. Dr. Ira Gilbert Zepp, Jr., professor emeritus of the Religious Studies department at McDaniel College, also comments on the Quranic passage 4:34, he writes the following: “The husband is the head of the household, is the final authority, and has due obedience and cooperation from his wife. If the wife is rebellious or disobedient, there are several options open to the husband. He may first try dissuade her with kind and gentle reasoning. If this fails, he may then refrain from sleeping with her. And if the above are not effective, he has Quranic permission to ‘beat her lightly’ (4:34). Such ‘slight physical correction’ (as Yusuf Ali says) avoids her face and other sensitive areas. Striking your wife in the face (as was pictured in the film Not without my Daughter) and other forms of verbal and physical cruelty have no sanction in the Quran. Many Muslims feel that although permitted, such activity is not advisable and is the exception much more than the rule. If all else fails, the next verse (4:35) suggests the couple seek help and counsel from a mediator. Perhaps the disagreement between husband and wife can be resolved in this open, balanced and neutral way.” (A Muslim Primer: Beginner’s Guide to Islam, [Copyright 1992] by Ira G. Zepp Jr page, volume 1, 127 – 128) Dr. Chris T. R. Hewer ‘comes from a background in Christian theology, education, Islamic studies and inter-faith studies and has worked in the field of Muslims in Britain and Christian-Muslim relations since 1986.’ Dr. Chris T.R Hewer who is of Christian faith, is another in line of respected experts commenting on the Quranic passage 4:34, he says: “An adult woman has many rights within Islam that were granted by the Qur’an and Hadith of Muhammad but for which Western women have had to fight in the twentieth century. Both men and women have an equal responsibility to follow the Islamic way of life (Q. 33.35). A Muslim woman is allowed to own property in her own right and dispose of it without reference to her husband. She normally keeps her own name after marriage. She is permitted to make her own will to dispose of her goods after death. She has an entitlement to education at all levels equal to that of a man. She is entitled to sexual fulfilment. She has a right to engage in any profession or business. She should be consulted in public affairs, following the example of Muhammad who habitually sought the opinion of some of the Muslim women before making a decision. She has the right to keep and control her earnings, it being the duty of the husband to meet all domestic expenditure, house his family and educate his children (Q. 4.34). There are no grounds for her to be a domestic drudge, it technically being the husband’s duty to see that hot food is laid before his wife. The only duty laid upon a wife is to be open to bear children, should God bless them, and to nurse them when they are young, although even here a wet-nurse can be retained. These are of course the ideals as provided by Islamic law but the realities in Muslim families around the world do not always follow these prescriptions. Reference is often made to the verse of the Qur’an that appears to allow a husband to beat his wife (Q. 4.34). The context here is one of nushuz, a violation of duties on the part of the religious wife. This verse of the Quran lays down four steps to be taken, which may be seen as a correction and limitation of pre-Islamic practices. First the man should speak to his wife. If this fails, he should then refuse sleep with her. Only if this fails to change her ways, is he allowed a kind of symbolic humiliation by striking her with his miswak, a piece of wood smaller than a pencil, the tip of which is used for brushing the teeth. Even this is considered inadvisable in some schools of Islam, and any form of cruelty, including verbal abuse, is unanimously forbidden. Should all this fail, then the couple should seek arbitration within the family.”(Understanding Islam: The First Ten Steps [Copyright 2006] by Dr. Chris T. R. Hewer, Allan Anderson page 129 – 130) |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 5:08pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
Christian scholar Dr. Winfried Corduan states that the verse in question is in regards “marital infidelity”. The claim often spouted that the wife can be disciplined whenever the husband so wishes is not true. I don’t agree with everything he states, but nonetheless, he presents some things that are line with the historical understanding of the verse: “Please note that his verse is NOT an unlimited licence for Muslim men to commit spousal abuse. – Does this verse say that husbands may thrash their wives whenever they are upset with them? OF COURSE, NOT. – Does it say that if the wife does not obey the husband in some unspecified matter, he is allowed to proceed through the sequence of disciplines: admonition, denial of marital relations, and finally light physical discipline? STILL, NO. – The occasion for application of this verse is very clear. The only two areas to which it applies are (1) if the wife squanders her husband’s earnings, thereby putting both of them into economic jeopardy, and (2) (based on surrounding material) if the husband has good reason to suspect MARITAL INFIDELITY ON THE PART OF THE WIFE. Thus, there are limits to a husband’s physical discipline of his wife in both occasion and method… If the issue is not resolved, the expected OUTCOME IS DIVORCE, NOT ESCALATING unilateral punishment of the woman.” (Neighboring Faiths: A Christian Introduction to World Religions [IVP Academic – An Imprint Of InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, Illinois. Second edition, 2012] by Winfried Corduan, page 127 – 128) Although some of the opinion(s) was not true as we have already explained earlier, however, One thing that stands out here is that the above scholars all agree that cruelty is forbidden. And that the rule here was an exception, not the norm. 9. Classical Scholars: ‘Do Not Hit Your Wife’ Some of the leading classical scholars have opined to the point of not hitting at all. Rather the husband should find other ways of solving their issues: “The vast majority of the ulama across the Sunni schools of law inherited the Prophet’s unease over domestic violence and placed further restrictions on the evident meaning of the ‘Wife Beating Verse: [b]A LEADING MECCAN SCHOLAR FROM THE SECOND GENERATION OF MUSLIMS, ATA’ BIN ABI RABAH, COUNSELED A HUSBAND NOT TO BEAT HIS WIFE even if she ignored him but rather to express his anger in some other way. Darimi, a teacher of both Tirmidhi and Muslim bin Hajjaj as well as a leading early scholar in Iran, collected all the Hadiths showing Muhammad’s disapproval of beating] in a chapter entitled ‘THE PROHIBITION ON STRIKING WOMEN. A thirteenth century scholar from Granada, Ibn Faras, notes that one camp of ulama had staked out a stance FORBIDDING STRIKING A WIFE ALTOGETHER, declaring it CONTRARY TO THE PROPHET’S EXAMPLE AND DENYING THE AUTHENTICITY OF ANY HADITHS THAT SEEMED TO PERMIT BEATING. Even IBN HAJAR, the pillar of late medieval Sunni Hadith scholarship, concludes that, contrary to what seems to be an explicit command in the Qur’an, the Hadiths of the Prophet leave no doubt that striking one’s wife to discipline her actually FALLS UNDER THE SHARIAH RULING OF ‘STRONGLY DISLIKED’ OR ‘DISLIKED VERGING ON PROHIBITED.”[/b] (Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari, 9:378-79) (Misquoting Muhammad – The Challenge and Choices of Interpreting the Prophet’s Legacy [Oneworld Publications, 2014], by Jonathan A. C. Brown, page 275 – 276) Ibn al-Arabi (d. 1148) agrees with the opinion of scholar Ata Ibn Abi Rabah’s (653 – 732 AD) who met the companions of Prophet Muhammed (p). Ata’s statement is that even when a woman who disobeys or does something which is against the husband he should not touch her: “…women should not be beaten, even when they disobey their husbands’ orders. They should limit themselves to be angry with their wives.” (Ahkam al-Quran [Dar al kotob al Ilmiyyah , Beirut, Lebanon] by Abu Bakr Ibn al-Arabi, volume 1, page 469) Classical jurist Imam al-Shafi’I states that although light beating was permissible as evidenced in Surah 4:34, but it is not compulsory (fard) nor a religious duty. He ends with the words it is better and preferable not touch your wife, rather the husband should use words or other means to sort things out as Prophet Muhammed (p) did throughout his life he never raised his finger against any of his wives: “…we choose what the Messenger of Allah chose himself, and we prefer that the husband does not beat his wife when she goes too far against him in her words and similar things…” (Kitab Al-Umm [Edited by Muhammed Zuhri al-Najjar. Cairo – Maktabat al-Kulliyyat al-Ashariyya, 1381/1961], by Imam Al-Shafi’I, volume 5, page 194) The great classical Quranic commentator, Imam Jalal al-Din as-Suyuti (1445 – 1505 AD) states in regard to 4:34: “If strife ensues between a man and wife, HE SHOULD SEEK COUNSEL from the righteous men and someone who is his peer in righteousness among the women so they can determine which one of the two is in the wrong (and help them correct it).” (Jalal al-din as-Suyuţi, Al-durar al-manthur fi tafsir bi’l ma’thur, retrieved August 30, 2010 from AlTafsir.) (The Prohibition Of Domestic Violence In Islam – A Fatwa issued by Shaykh M. Hisham Kabbani and Dr. Homayra Ziad [World Organization for Resource Development And Education, 2011], page 24) Abu l-Qasim Abdu l-Karim al-Qushayri (986 – 1072 AD): “What is meant here is to encourage them to correct themselves in stages and with KINDNESS. But if the matter is settled by admonishing then ONE SHOULD NOT BEAT HER (with a stick or the hand) BECAUSE THE VERSE IMPLIES the conduct of engaging in sexual relations.” (Abu l-Qasim Abdu l-Karim al-Qushayri, Laṭa’if al-isharat bi tafsir al-Qur’an (Egypt: Dar al-Kutub al-Ilmiyyah, 2000), retrieved August 30, 2010 from Altafsir website.) (The Prohibition Of Domestic Violence In Islam – A Fatwa issued by Shaykh M. Hisham Kabbani and Dr. Homayra Ziad [World Organization for Resource Development And Education, 2011], page 23) |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 6:21pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
@Sino, your submissions are IMPOSSIBLE I don't know anyone who is pissed at the other person, proceeded to beat the person ‘lighthly' I.e in the context your submissions are claiming. It negates the whole thing. I am not buying it. Whether heavy striking or light striking, I don't want to know. @Al-baqir, I don't want to understand that verse. All I know is that ‘thou shall not touch me EVER'. 1 Like |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 11:07am On Jun 20, 2017 |
You may read the whole article Here It should be noted that Islamic scholars from time immemorial had understood Qur'an 4:34 as to be symbolic, and not a licence to abuse women. There happens to be no reason to now start looking for alternative interpretations especially when there are concrete evidences that buttress the understanding already presented by well versed traditional scholars. There are also cases of where early Jurist and scholars have meted out appropriate punishment to husbands who beat their wives and divorce is even granted on the basis of an abusive husband (please read the full article in the link above). From the forgoing, the present attempt to rewrite and reinterpret the Qur'an is quite unnecessary, the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic, majority of the first generation of Muslims were Arabs, Scholars of tafsirs are not only versed in the Qur'an and hadith, but also well grounded in the Arabic language. If what was meant with the word in the context of the verse wasn't "to beat", narrations would abound, analysis would have been made, and we wouldn't be here trying to arrive at any other form of interpretation. I must also mention that there are numerous tradition where the Prophet (SAW) taught us how to relate with our wives in the most honourable manner as well as not to beat her, but the case of Qur'an 4:34 is an exception, which is not mandatory as hinted by some scholars, and it is symbolic, as a result of infidelity or something similar. And Allah (SWT) knows best. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 11:37am On Jun 20, 2017 |
Sterope: The Prophet (SAW) was reported to have said, the strong is the one who is able to overcome his anger. Can you imagine how possible that is?! You are furious, angry at someone, you feel like squeezing the life out of someone, but then you calm yourself down, and overlook the whole thing. I've seen it happen, never say it is impossible. Husband and wife are meant to live together in love and mercy... Secondly, what Islam teaches is to find solutions, not create more problems, Islam doesn't want you to just divorce yourselves even when adultery is the issue. Can you imagine that advising your wife is the first approach?! You fear that your wife is committing adultery, and Allah (SWT) says, talk to her, admonish her, give her lectures...Which man in this present day do that?! I ask you, is it possible?! We are not talking about your day to day nagging, bickering back and forth or some annoying behaviours, there are narrations which addresses that as well as another Qur'anic verse. “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger saying: A believing man should not hate a believing woman (wife); if he dislikes one of her characteristics, he will be pleased with another.” (Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3469) The Prophet (SAW) said: ‘Whoever remains patient with regards to the misbehaviour of his wife, Allah will give him a reward as great as Ayub’s (Job) for his affliction. Likewise, if a woman keeps patient with regards to the misbehaviour of her husband, Allah will give her a reward as great as Aishah’s Bint Bint Muzahim, (the Pharaoh’s wife).’ (Al-Hakim in Al-Mustadrak – Transmitters of this Hadith are trustworthy) (Major Sins [translators: Abdul-Hamid A. Eliwa Ali M. As-Sawi, Wa’il A. Shehab, Mahmud AI-Qastawi] by Imam Shamsu ed-Deen Dhahabi, page 136) “O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them… And LIVE WITH THEM IN KINDNESS. For if you dislike them – perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good.” – Quran 4:19 (Sahih International) Thirdly, a wicked and bad husband needs no Qur'anic or hadith backings before he carries out his dastardly acts, and that is why it is allowed to divorce on the basis of domestic abuse, and even the man is punished and made to pay compensation to the woman according to the Shari'ah. |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 9:59pm On Jun 20, 2017 |
I still don't get it. I doubt if your submissions are relevant to the issue at hand. Light beating was mentioned twice, once in the Quran and once in the Hadith. It is clear that it is what it is. However, it cannot be possible. At the end of the day, we can say that the impossibility is exactly the reason behind the provision. Either way, that prescription is all shades of abomination ever it is conceivable or not. It is basically saying that one gender has a right to anger. I am not buying it. sino: |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by tintingz(m): 10:53pm On Jun 20, 2017 |
Lol, sino ooo. So a woman should be patient when her husband misbehave? Because she is going to receive an imaginary reward? But a man has every authority to beat his wife. This is very unfair and gender discriminating. Wether strike lightly with a single broom is not even the issue, the issue is will it even solve the problem? Those Christians you quoted are no different from Muslims when it comes to treating women, you can see them pleasing the Arabs. What even make your post funny was that Christianity also degrade women, there books are filled with sexist, sadist, misogyny words just like Islamic manuscripts. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 11:10am On Jun 21, 2017 |
Sterope: The prescription is in no way giving the right to anger to one gender, it only gave directives on the steps a husband can take in correcting (or showing displeasure of) a wife's infidelity. I believe this is not an issue, provided the husband and wife are righteous people in the first instance (there would be no case of infidelity). You must also put into consideration the historical context as well as culture i.e, the pre-Islamic and Arab's way of life. Thus my argument is; instead of trying to give a "new" interpretation and rubbishing well established narrations based on personal whims and desires, let's look at the full details, preferably academic, in analyzing the proper understanding of the verse in question. I had provided a link where information about how marriages were dissolved on the basis of domestic violence, which were carried out by Islamic traditional Jurists. Again, what Islam wants is for both parties to solve their problems, and divorce should be the last resort even in the case of infidelity, thus the following verse to the verse in question reads: "And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]". (Q4:35) It should also be noted that the arbitrators are the ones saddled with desiring reconciliation, and not the husband and wife. This would go a long way in achieving a true reconciliation. Again, I must state clearly, this does not in any way support domestic violence or wife beating! I must quickly add that some may raise a question on what steps a wife can take if the tables are turned. It should be noted that Islam had given authority to the husband, but has also placed enormous responsibilities with respect to his dealings with his family, especially his wife, so that he doesn't transgress, but if he does, the wife would need to seek an higher authority in addressing such issues although she can also admonish her husband. Thus she has the liberty to go to the Amir or the Qadi (judge) (or an equivalent), this would protect her as well as her rights, and the issue would be addressed accordingly. |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 11:14am On Jun 21, 2017 |
tintingz: The Prophet (SAW) said: ‘Whoever remains patient with regards to the misbehaviour of his WIFE, Allah will give him a reward as great as Ayub’s (Job) for his affliction. Likewise, if a woman keeps patient with regards to the misbehaviour of her husband, Allah will give her a reward as great as Aishah’s Bint Bint Muzahim, (the Pharaoh’s wife).’ (Al-Hakim in Al-Mustadrak – Transmitters of this Hadith are trustworthy) (Major Sins [translators: Abdul-Hamid A. Eliwa Ali M. As-Sawi, Wa’il A. Shehab, Mahmud AI-Qastawi] by Imam Shamsu ed-Deen Dhahabi, page 136) |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by tintingz(m): 11:54am On Jun 21, 2017 |
sino:If the wife cannot exercise patience, can she beat the husband if he misbehave?  1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 12:27pm On Jun 21, 2017 |
tintingz:The husband is not allowed to beat his wife in the first instance! |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by tintingz(m): 4:56pm On Jun 21, 2017 |
sino:But the Quran gave men a go ahead to beat their wives or what's your on stance on this? |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 7:08am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Look at the comparison for goodness sake, affliction me? sino: |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 7:22am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Correcting which includes light beating Please don't use the historical context excuse, historical context made alcohol Haram gradually but couldn't ban physical abuse the same way without leaving a caveat. Like I had stated, I am not buying it. I can take it personal, you are not the one being told to be beaten lightly. Did the domestic abuse cases involved light beating or the serious one? Show me one that involves light beating. In fact, how many countries (Although I know that there aren't any Islamic countries on this planet Earth) that claim to practice Sharia define domestic abuse to include light beating? Academic opinions aren't enough. They are based on individual understanding and they conflict all the time. Please note, I know all about divorce and arbitration in Islam but we aren't talking about that. sino: |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 8:58am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Sterope:It seems you are already concluding you are going to be a handful for your husband? Anyway, I do not think the narration is focused on comparing misbehaviour to affliction, rather, it is the reward which a husband or WIFE who demonstrates patience would receive at the end of the day. And if we are to go with your comparison with affliction, then the husband is also being compared to Firaun (la), and that is indeed a despicable human being, hence, patience should be the attitude of the spouses in a marriage, regardless of the misdemeanour exhibited! |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 9:33am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Hey! don't conclude for me. You don't know me. It is being sane to conclude that you won't let another human hit you. sino: |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 9:39am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Sterope: I understand your point of view, and I know you know that not only beating constitute domestic abuse, there are other ways in which a husband can abuse his wife. Islam frowns on any form of abuse generally as well as specifically in marriage. As it had already been pointed out earlier, this beating is only symbolic, and cannot be said to be an abuse. It is said that it should be a single strike with a chewing stick or a scarf, it is not meant to hurt, cause pain or bruise, and should not be carried out for any other issue except in cases of infidelity or something similar, and not with regards to mundane issues like cooking, washing of clothes or any form of misunderstandings that is usually associated with two different people living together. Again some other school of thought said such actions although permissible is not compulsory, and not a religious obligation. The reason why historical context is important, is the fact that, women were treated badly, beaten and chained, they had no status prior to the emergence of Islam. Islam came and corrected this, and instructed man to treat woman with respect and kindness. Light beaten as explained, would be seen as absolutely incredulous compared to what was obtainable before, so an Arab, who had been used to inhuman torture of women, and after accepting Islam, would not only realize that a woman is very special in Islam, but also know that he is never meant to hurt her even when she sleeps with another man in her matrimonial bed! I would want you not to take it personal, except you envisage cheating in your marriage (and I pray against such), seek a righteous man, and also be righteous, you have nothing to worry about. No good Muslim I know see this verse as a licence to abuse his wife! Academic analysis would bring to fore, facts, as well as objective interpretations devoid of biases to a large extent. There may be some elements of subjectivity, but still, you cannot deny the facts presented. |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by sino(m): 9:43am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Sterope:I'm sorry for my previous comment(s). |
| Re: Understanding The Verse Of "Beating One's Wife" by Sterope(f): 10:26am On Jun 22, 2017 |
You tire me. I have heard you. sino: |
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