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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:52pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
diordaves: You've eloquently spoken my mind. I'm glad that others see what I'm saying. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 3:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: Many of us see it that way o. Except our society is not as easy as it's written. Reality, not theory ni o. Hajji M. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by allCopacetic: 4:44pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
diordaves:this oga dey make me laugh, you speak as if you control the choices and action of all Nigerian consumers. "Nobody will deliberately seek out to buy fake products" .... And you know this how Sir?? As an experienced seller and someone who interacts with sellers and consumers on a daily basis.. i can CATEGORICALLY tell you that the shopping attitude and orientation of the average Nigerian consumer plays a significant role in sellers becoming more and more disposed to cheap and substandard products. I am not saying it is the sole reason. I am saying it is an encouragement. You earlier said..."This is the case in developed world" ... Unfortunately this IS NOT the developed world. Where your average buyer is first and foremost more interested in functionality and safety. And where you can bargain Hunt with ease because a litre of Mobil lube oil in shop A will be the exact same content in shop B as is the case in shop C.... But in a case where you can have up to five iterations of the same damn brand, what exactly are you comparing and bargaining on ?? When you're big on quality brands and you see that majority of the buyers are shying away from your so-called original, and opting for much cheaper but substandard options seller B is selling, it is only a matter of time before you figure.."what the heck" and join the band wangon.... Afterall you're in business to sell. In another case where a seller in shop A sells an authentic version of a product for 100, buyer walks in checks price and walks into shop B and sees the same brand and product for 80, and buys without "sufficiently" ascertaining that they are infact the same thing. the seller is shop A continues to lose his business to the guy in shop B who is selling counterfeit... it is only a matter of time before he also joins the band wagon. So you continue to see a pattern, and ripple effect. The resulting reaction is that more and more Importers will drop standards to increase patronage and stay in business. Generic products are abundant in Nigeria, and as a matter of fact very cheap. Which is why most people buy them. As a seller i can tell you that 8 out of 10 Customers will opt for the cheaper brands when presented with multiple options. But as opposed to what obtains in other climes, if a product is rated 13A, ..regardless of whether it is a top brand or not, that product "WILL function in that capacity! because it is certified before it is allowed in. But can you say the same for your country? This is what makes the pursuit of generic or cheap options a problem in Nigeria. if there was a way to completely eliminate the importation of imitations/counterfeits, the issue of cheaper or substandard brands would then be a smaller problem. Atleast shoppers looking to buy good brands would have an easier time getting what they want aswell as comparing prices more effectively. A very good example of the challenges with bargain hunting here is the case mentioned above, where 70mm was sold as 95mm. I am almost certain that the seller provided a price cheaper than others which made his a more attractive choice, ( probably checked and okayed by an electrician) How does a honest seller compare or compete in that scenario ? Funny thing is he probably sold it at a price just a little lower than the true cost of 95mm, but also much higher than the cost of 70mm, ....greatly maximizing his profit. . Before you jump out of a plane make sure you're wearing a parachute that works.... Before you go "a-bargaining" make sure you are sufficiently able to identify and distinguish. Regardless of what is said or not said, . ...there will always be people who will not touch substandard products with a pole, even if it is given out for free. .... There will always be people who will care less about quality or safety even if you preach to them from now till eternity .... There will always be sellers who will continue to keep up thier standards regardless of market trends .... And there will always be sellers who will continue to prey on the innocent aswell as the ignorant, regardless of how much money they make. 6 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Daboomb: 5:19pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
allCopacetic: I am just wondering whether this is correct or it is a mistake: I checked the website of one of the major distributors of this HAVELLS product in Nigeria (Somotex) and the picture of the same product they have on their website, is OPPOSITE to that which you called the original. The picture they have is the "Havells" Logo in Red color, on a white background (which is exactly what you called the fake). (See attached picture below). In Nigeria, we all know that it is the norm to sell the Fake as the original, even sold at higher prices just to fool the buyer who has no idea fo what to expect (we all cant be a guru on every little item!). Can you please clear the air on this observation. 2 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by allCopacetic: 5:38pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Daboomb:Well first off, somotex is local , by local i mean operates here. And like most local companies, not many bother with updating small details on thier site. Secondly there is a reason why I specifically mentioned a time range... Mid 2016 till date... The image you have as the fake used to be the series that came with havells distribution boards, but with the proliferation of counterfeits they switched to the Euro II Series , and in addition to that had to specifically start to put the "Havells Nigeria" sticker on the side of the MCBs ( as seen in the first picture) as an extra measure. You should Visit the manufacturer's site (Havells India) not somotex. http://www.havells.com/en/consumer/switchgear/circuit-breaker/miniature-circuit-breaker.html That is why everything is not by looking or picture.. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Daboomb: 5:52pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
diordaves: I must thank you for this post! I have been pondering whether to react to what some are saying here but being that l dont sugar-coat words and l am not given to hypocrisy, l restrained myself with the hope that someone else will take up the gauntlet! I dont know how to describe it but for someone to say that "Consumers intentionally buy sub-standard/fake products, simply because it is cheaper", is a reflection of our criminally-minded orientation. Such mentality as we have seen, can only be supported by people who are UNPRINCIPLED and SYCOPHANTIC by their very sheer nature. Basically, what that person or seller is saying is that: You came to me with x-amount of money, to purchase a "product Y" but because your money is not enough to purchase the GENUINE "product Y", instead of telling you the truth and asking you to go back and add to your money, he thinks "in his mind",: I will still collect the amount-X from this buyer but will give him something that l will claim "will still do the job" when in all honesty, l know it is counterfeit, will not do the job and might even turn out to be dangerous to the buyer and others within his sphere of influence! In short, the product the consumer is finally given is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE! Only GREED makes anyone to have such mentality! Let me say it here: No consumer intentionally buys a fake product. if you want to "prove" me wrong, just offer the Fake and the original to the consumer, identify them clearly and let him know that "both" go for the same price. LET US NOW SEE WHICH ONE THE CONSUMER WILL PICK. Obviously, the consumer will pick the original. This therefore means that "if a consumer buys a fake product, knowing that it is fake", the determining factor, is the PRICE-DIFFERENCE. So, what we have is scenario where the dubious seller, price-low the fake product, to serve as an incentive for the consumer to pick that, while inflating the price of the original, to serve as a dis-incentive for the "poor" consumer, not to buy such. The underlying psychology of such 'sellers' is to play on the level of poverty within Nigeria and the lack of enforcement of criminal laws, as it relates to "counterfeiting" of goods and services. No consumer will intentionally and knowing so, buy a fake product but some are forced to buy it, because they have no option as they are constrained financially, by the dubious seller who has inflated the price fo the original beyond their reach. In countries where they operate fairly towards each other, their is a 'base-price' for all products, the price is not determined by whether it is "fake or genuine". It is always genuine!. It could only be cheaper as you have mentioned, when it is GENERIC, but it is still and GENUINE as the proprietary one (those who price based on brand-name). Why cant these sellers and their apologists, insist that they would not import or manufacture Counterfeit products and will not sell same? It is now left for the buyer to stump up the price for what is available? Until the govt starts treating manufacturers, importers and sellers of these Counterfeit products as economic saboteurs and slamming them in jail, for upwards of twenty years, we will kepp killing our people on this alter of GREED. Its nothing but GREED. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:08pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Daboomb: Another damn well written post. You guys are good. It took a lot for me to respond yesterday and I didn't quote OP just because I did not want to irk certain folks of respect. em go say Egun don come with him wahala again. We should stop and never blame consumers. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Daboomb: 6:55pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
allCopacetic: Thank you for your response. It is appreciated very much. But let me point-out that it is just "an observation" and since we are talking about "Nigerian environment", Nigerian sellers and Nigerian Buyers, l think it is in order, that l point out what l have seen in a Nigerian Dealer's website. if a 'major dealer' cannot put the correct/genuine picture of the product they represent on their own website, especially where it relates to the genuineness of the product they represent, then it speaks volumes about their attitude to business. Shoddy is a word that quickly comes to mind. For majority of consumers, 'everything is about asking and looking at pictures that is presented to them, by the product manufacturers. Once again, thank you for your response and educative posts on he subject matter. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Daboomb: 6:59pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: Sir, If l recall correctly, a few days back when everyone was still trying to 'acquiesce and be politically correct', you are the first person that spoke out against this gibberish being propounded here! We must tell ourselves the TRUTH, irrespective of whose horse is gored. When everyone agrees with you and you agree with everything everyone said, that is the 'diplomatic definition' of SYCOPHANCY rooted in HYPOCRISY! 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Obeseke: 8:33pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Daboomb: You are a honest, blunt, most objective and principled individual with high level integrity. Keep up the good work bro. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:45pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
An analogy that I would like to use in our ongoing discussion. "Generic Drugs, Are They as Good as Brand Names? Generic drugs are copies of brand-name drugs that have exactly the same dosage, intended use, effects, side effects, route of administration, risks, safety, and strength as the original drug. In other words, their pharmacological effects are exactly the same as those of their brand-name counterparts. ....... Many people become concerned because generic drugs are often substantially cheaper than the brand-name versions. They wonder if the quality and effectiveness have been compromised to make the less expensive products. The FDA (U.S. Food and Drug Administration) requires that generic drugs be as safe and effective as brand-name drugs." http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46204&page=1 So, just because a consumer is looking for lower prices doesn't mean that he deserves to be saddled with unsafe products. I'm just happy that i wasn't left hanging alone in the breeze 5 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Slim101(m): 4:14am On Jul 03, 2017 |
Morning Elders, anyone knows any Aluminium factory in Ibadan? And probably current prices for: 1) Long span local 2)Long Span imported 3) Step tile local & imported 4) 8ft Alu-zinc. I just finished carcass and I need to hit market for Aluminium covering this week. Prompt responses will be appreciated. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:29am On Jul 03, 2017 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 6:31am On Jul 03, 2017 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Marpol: 7:17am On Jul 03, 2017 |
Pls where can I get a good door lock to buy in Lagos?
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by battleaxe: 10:10am On Jul 03, 2017 |
@House... Please, has anyone purchased a Hyundai generator of late and has a contact to share? I am looking for sound-proof options for this or similar generators based on your experiences. Thanks. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chubi1980: 2:32pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 2:34pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 4:05pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
One important factor is to also go to places that have been recommended as having good reputation AND making it clear that you only want Original, any deviation would mean trouble with the seller and this could involve Navy boys. I bought all my cables myself in person and the seller told me some of the tricks of the trade, even told me cables that are not up to 100m in length. At the time, I only buy Coleman, taking my electrician there as well to make sure, and telling him to leave the place afterwards when he was trying to get the supplier to add his commission ontop using underhand tactics and signs. At the end of the day, most people would not buy fake if they are told its fake they are buying and thier building could burn as a result of using substandard electrical components. As previously pointed out, in most developed countries you will be told about branded products and cheaper non branded ones, for example MK switches are generally more expensive than non MK ones, but unbranded ones equally do the job. EgunMogaji: 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by DrGoodmanFather: 4:26pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by phlakkeys(f): 6:39pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: I've tried all I could to get information on using ring concrete for soakaway and only your post came out useful. Due to small space left, we've decided to go for ring concrete soakaway. Pls sir, 1) how many rings did you use(depth)? 2) Did you dig in 2places i.e. one for septic tank and the other for soakaway? If not 3) Does it mean you make street gutter to drain kitchen and bath water? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:10pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
phlakkeys: Glad that you found my post useful. Trust me, many on here do in fact use that method but they don't have the confidence to post it. My builder wanted to use one hole but I opted to mimic the 2 hole system and that is what I did. I think that the BQ has 7 and 5 rings and the gateman house has 3 and 2 rings. I added one ring more than recommended. No water, except rain water (a lot of which will be collected by rain gutters into storage tanks) goes to the street. I collect all my kitchen and bath water as I'm told that village people might collect it and use it for voodoo 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jossy26: 7:26pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
@Oga EgunMogaji, is this ty of suckaway suitable for water logged area too? Please can you shed more light or share the link I can get the resources so I share with my engineer. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:34pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
jossy26: I need to be very careful here and state that I'm not an engineer or soil expert. I use "Baba Lati" as the builder on my site. I trust his judgment based on his experience and the opinion of folks in my immediate area, soem of who are professionals in their fields, on making certain decisions such as this. I will ask that you consult a licensed engineer especially since you have a water logged area. ___________________ Now that being said, even for water logged area all you would have to do is make sure that the completed rings are totally sealed. Good luck on your build. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 8:36pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: You no go kill persin with laugh o. Vooodooo Hajji M. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:38pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
mufutau55: Baba, na you elders talk say "igboran o san ju ebo riru lo" |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 8:46pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: True, true o. Anything happens in Naija now o. See Ikorodu Badoo Boys, killing people and just soaking their white handkerchief in the their blood and selling it to the ritualists for N500k. What kind of Naija are we living now... God save us o. Hajji M. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by tevanso(m): 9:19pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
jossy26:the ring will not work in a water logged area because there is no way u will sink it down to the required depth u want because of the small diameter. Another reason is that soak away and septic tanks in water logged area are always cast at the surface before its being sink into the ground . 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by phlakkeys(f): 9:24pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: Am really grateful for your quick response. Sir, should I conclude that 2 hole system (7rings & 5rings) will be enough for a family of 5? If yes, is it the 7 rings that will be for septic and 5 rings for soakaway? Also, should I dig a rectangle and put the 2 rings side by side or I should dig the 2 holes differently with about 1m space? I won't mind if pictures can be attached sir. Am sorry I don't have anyone to ask for details and we plan to start digging this weekend. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:31pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
phlakkeys: What does your bricklayer/builder recommend? The 7 is for the septic and the 5 for soakaway and we're a family of three not counting very occasional guests. I would truly recommend that you engage locals with experiecne in your area. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:33pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
Marpol: I know Lagos must be littered with building materials places but if you happen to be in Ibadan then I heartily recommend this place. http://ibadan.city.ng/listings/blessed-maduabuchi-nigeria-limited/ |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chukzyfcbb: 9:54pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
EgunMogaji:Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion. Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough. However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation. The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland). The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks |
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