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| Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by MrOlai: 7:43pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
I saw this on YouTube and it baffles me where shia got their knowledge of Islam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7f_vn3GMDg 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 7:51pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Thick horrible voices!  I'm imagining AlBaqir reciting with his thick Yoruba accent voice! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by MrOlai: 7:54pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
I can't believe it! |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by sino(m): 9:24pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
I'm not surprised at all, I had already created a thread on their scholars attitude towards the Qur'an here is the link: https://www.nairaland.com/3071287/discussing-reality-crisis-between-shia 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Empiree: 9:34pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Subhanallah!, you brothers are really deep in this sectarian nonsense. Is beautifying voice a MUST or mustahab?. Your op is simply cheapshot. How about this beautiful voice of Iranian shia recitation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H8p3b0ONyY I am not here to defend shia but this criticism is irrelevant. I am trying to figure out your problem with recitations in the clip. Actually i should say the man who criticized them in the video. What is his problem?. Are you reciting beautifully to show off or what?. Even in the shari'a if you search deeply, you not supposed to beautify your voice in salat except for outside of salat. They said it is like trying to impress people. So are you guys so much concern about the accent or what?. In that case, you can travel to US and speak to average Americans in Nigerian accent and see how they mock you. It is Allah who gives them the accent. Why mock them?. Tajweed is one thing. Accent is another. You criticize them for their accent which is haram in my view. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by lanrexlan(m): 10:08pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
sino:Seriously dear akhee  I am not here to defend shias or butt-lick their scholars but I think judging them by the recitation of some of their scholars is just totally wrong.The similitude is a man visiting Yoruba land and prayed behind the late Cheif Imaam of Ibadan land, Sheikh Suaara and heard his recitation, not fluent nor with proper tajweed. You would agree with me that most(if not all) old babas who are Imaams of central mosques can't recite the Qur'an with proper tajweed and mispronounce many letters of the Arabic alphabet. How would it be if a non-yoruba is to judge the entire tribe with that? They are our leader and one would expect their tajweed to be the best, but the reverse is the case. Would it be proper?? Can we use that as a yardstick of judging the tajweed of other Yorubas?? Absolutely NO. It is because of this tajweed of a thing, that some Hausa consider Yoruba folks not to be complete Muslim. Is that proper Demmzy15:Unfortunately for you and your folks, Albaqir has gotten a nice ma sha Allah recitation. I once prayed behind him when we met and when he pronounced the adhan, you would feel like licking his mouth. Correct tajweed ma sha Allah. Sorry to disappoint you. 7 Likes |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by tbaba1234: 10:39pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Having a beautiful voice or correct Tajweed does not show anything if the voice do not get beyond your throat. Do the khawarij not have the best voices? I do not agree with Shia in several things but this is a silly thread. 6 Likes |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 11:11pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Empiree, clear sign you didn't even care to watch the video. Exceptions were made for the Iranian kids who are pure and have not been corrupted by chest beatings. Even Yasser Al Habib was able to recite clearly and beautifully as a kid but everything changed when he became a fully blown Rafidhi! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by submit: 11:22pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Demmzy15: If being a Rafidhi would make me do the Right things; then I'd rather be shia  Just so unnecessary. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Empiree: 1:04am On Jul 12, 2017 |
Lol @ demmyz, i watched the whole 12minutes video. I still dont get the point. Well, two people already made handsome contributions better than i did |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by sino(m): 9:21am On Jul 12, 2017 |
lanrexlan: Well, our Babas learnt the Qur'an based on what was available to them in their time, they didn't have any other option and they strove hard to learn what they were able to learn and read, they never abandoned the Qur'an or had doubts about it, but such cannot be said of these Shi'a scholars. I presented a link in my post to show some of the challenges that are the probable cause for a poor recitation by these Shi'a scholars, anyway, I will let their leaders answer you accordingly, then you would understand the basis of my comment... "Grand Ayatullah al-Khomeini writes about it in “al-Quran al-Thaqal al-Akbar” pg.32: “I call on the Hawzat(Plural of Hawza) of knowledge and the universities of researchers, rise and save the glorious Quran from the evils of the ignorant and immoral scholars that attacked it and continue to attack the Quran intentionally. From my knowledge I say in all seriousness that[b] I feel sorry for my life that I’ve wasted on the path of ignorance and misguidance[/b], and you O brave sons of Islam, wake up the Hawzat and the universities so they may pay attention to the Quran and all the sciences related to it, and make the Quranic education your aim and your highest goal. So that you may not regret it at the end of your lives when old age strikes you, then you feel sorry for the days of youth, like the author himself.] The current leader of Iran ‘Ali al-Khaminaei also writes about this Quranic crisis in several locations, we quote some from the book “al-Hawza al-‘Ilmiyah fi Fikr al-Imam al-Khaminaei” pg.59-60: [al-Hawza al-‘Ilmiyah, as a result of circumstances and certain conditions and because of a specific view, was distanced historically from paying great attention to the Quran and the Quranic studies. This distance from the Quran and its sciences has left plenty of negative marks on the course of studies and teaching in al-Hawza al-‘Ilmiyah] And he said: [The isolation away from the Quran which has taken place in the Hawzat, because we are not delighted with it(Quran), has caused many problems in our present and future, also distancing ourselves from it(Quran) causes short-sightedness] And he said: [What causes one to wonder, is that the student of religious studies can become a ‘Alim(scholar) and a Moujtahid in Islamic thought and jurisprudence without (the need of) the glorious Quran “The book of revelation”.] And he said: [It is unfortunate that we can begin our studies and continue them until receiving an Ijazah of Ijtihad without the need of checking the Quran even once (…) Why is this? because our studies do not depend on the Quran.] Grand Ayatullah Muhammad al-Ya’aqoubi leader of the Shia “al-Fadeelah” party in ‘Iraq admits to this reality in several locations in the book “Thalathah Yashkoun: al-Quran, al-Masjid, al-Imam” pg.39: [And I had previously stated in some of my books that it is really unfortunate, that the Quran is missing from the curriculum of the Hawzat, it was planned in a way that the student does not need to dive into the glorious Quran from the beginning of his studies until their end] And he said: [And maybe the student at the Hawza might reach a high rank in Fiqh and Usool but he never go to live the life of the Quran nor did he have the experience of interacting with the Quran and understanding it as a message of restoration, and you would see days and weeks passing by and the student of knowledge has not touched the Quran to recite its verses and think about them, because there is no deep spiritual connection between him and the Quran (…) And this is a great disaster for the Hawza and society, and maybe some of them do not know how to read it correctly.] Famous Iranian scholar and philosopher al-Shaheed Murtada Mutahhari talks about this in several locations in his book “Ihyaa al-Fikr al-Deeni fil-Islam” pg.44-46: [The old generation itself has abandoned the Quran and left it, then they blame the new generation for being ignorant in the Quran!? It is we who have abandoned the Quran and we expect from the new generation to be attached to it, and I shall prove to you that the Quran is abandoned among us (…) leaving the Quran is the cause of our current sadness and depression, we are included among those that the Prophet (SAWS) complained about: {And the Messenger has said, “O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur’an as [a thing] abandoned.”} (Quran 25:30).] And he says: [If a certain individual was knowledgeable about the Quran, meaning he would contemplate its deep meanings a lot, and studies its interpretation thoroughly, how much respect do you think he would have among us!? Nothing. On the other hand, if an individual reads the book of “Kifayah” by al-Mulla Kazim al-Khurasani, he would be a respected and distinguished personality.] I must state categorically that I do not engage in just jumping into conclusions anyhow just because those in question are shi'as, I try as much as possible to have evidences to backup my assertions/opinions. So again, I am not surprised! 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 12:57pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
submit:Then be my guest, if you don't mind I know where they're selling confirm Matam blades and chains. Muharram is around the corner, so you'll to shed enough blood for gods! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 1:06pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
Bro Lanrexlan, sorry for the question but I'm curious. When AlBaqir called the Adhan, did he add anything unusual to it?  1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Alennsar(f): 2:41pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
Demmzy15: like "ashadul Ana Aliyyu llah and this other one too but I can't remember now maybe when when I watch one of their channels 1 Like |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Empiree: 4:23pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
Thread still irrelevant regardless of your wylin |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 5:41pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by lanrexlan(m): 9:46pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
sino:And what gives you the solid belief that those shia scholars in those videos didn't strive hard in learning about the proper pronunciation? Those submissions of yours? Maybe they also learn based on what was available then who knows. Tahrif(distortion of the Qur'an) is an issue for another day. You are still generalizing dear akhee, how many shia scholars' recitation have you listened to apart from the op?? Have you listened to Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hilli's recitation? Have you listened to Sheikh Mustapha Qawzini's recitation? Have you listened to Sheikh Murtadha Alidina's recitation? Have you listened to Sheikh Mohammed Ibn Yahya Al-Husseniy Al-Ninowy's recitation?? These are shia scholars too! Stop using some old papas to judge other shia scholars who can recite fluently. 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by lanrexlan(m): 10:08pm On Jul 12, 2017 |
Demmzy15:Yes! "Hayya ala khairil amal (hasten to the best of deeds)". 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by impossible27(m): 12:05am On Jul 13, 2017 |
DemmzyI5 is still obsessed with shia and iran, that why most of his thrends and post are always eager to bash them. i am not a muslim but i always find the shias good to live with. (live with them for 15 years). So Demmzy don't be obsessed with them, it create hatred. you and IPOB will be the same if u allow hatred to grow in u. Just take the fact. Iran is better than your holy place (US puppet) 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 3:35am On Jul 13, 2017 |
MrOlai: # I initially don't feel like commenting because this (thread) is cruel. # The caption is hilarious really: "why can't shia scholars recite Quran". What we have in the video are few Iranian Ayatullahs; what about Arab Ayatullahs whose tongue are pure Arabic? # The Ayatullahs in the video are all in their 90s and 100s, and they are all Iranian with their 100% accent reciting Quran. Just like Lanrexlan observed, Yoruba (in fact, Majority of Nigerian sheiks whether Hausa or Igbira or Tapa) belonging to that generation (6, 7, 8 decades ago), most recite Quran 100% with their accents. The late Sheik Kamaldeen, every chief Imams of every state (of that old generation) were very good example. Up till now, Yoruba still "preserve" these recitations however, youths have taken over just 20, 30 years ago. Same with Iranian. # The cruel wahabi presenter in his cruel witch hunt went to Iranian predominantly Sunni states. Alas! Reciters he presented were in their youths (in their 30s) or mid 40. Why can't he give us Iranian Sunni of those Ayatullah's generations in their 90s and 100s? The guy even went as far as Africa, China, Indonesia, Tajikistan etc. He only displayed youths reciting Quran. When exactly is Qur'anic recitation with tajweed etc standardised? # Below are Iranian Qaris, some of the best Qur'anic reciters in the world. They are belong to this generation when recitations have been standardised and sanitised. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 3:47am On Jul 13, 2017 |
1. Iranian Qari, Hajj Mohsen Hasani Kargar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMG7EWiOtw&itct=CBAQpDAYACITCNvYjq2MhdUCFS3QVQodUqgEUDIHcmVsYXRlZEiH5u7juPfXm54B&hl=en&gl=US&client=mv-google 2. The 1st rank of the 29th international competition of quran recitation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHXC4EpQqgY&itct=CA8QpDAYASITCKv9xuuchdUCFUThVQod970KxTIHcmVsYXRlZEjc9YitxN3BiWc%3D&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google 3. Iranian Qari, Hajj Karim Mansuri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdWPbagxH0&itct=CA0QpDAYAyITCNvYjq2MhdUCFS3QVQodUqgEUDIHcmVsYXRlZEiH5u7juPfXm54B&hl=en&gl=US&client=mv-google NB: If you have watched the film Prophet Yusuf, Hajj Karim Mansuri recited surah Yusuf at the beginning of every episode. 4. Sheik Usama Karbalai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhvfrS385OQ&itct=CAUQpDAYCyITCNvYjq2MhdUCFS3QVQodUqgEUDIGcmVsbWZ1SIfm7uO499ebngE%3D&hl=en&gl=US&client=mv-google |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 4:10am On Jul 13, 2017 |
lanrexlan: # This exactly is the goal, and not really the recitation of old shia sheiks/Ayatullahs. # And I don't understand really that at this age anybody in his right sense will still point accusing finger on shia believing in Tahrif based on the fact that : * Some shia ahadith support Tahrif * Some past generation shia scholars based on those ahadith believe in Tahrif. # The truth is both Sunni and Shia books of ahadith are extremely guilty of recording ahadith that support Tahrif. # If some past shia scholars believe in Tahrif, what about sahabah and tabi'in (of the Sunni) that believe in Tahrif? # There are several threads on this topic of Tahrif already. There, you see some of these NL Sunni folks keeping their mouth sealed on their ahadith on Tahrif, and the bold among them (with effrontery) defending what (Tahrif) is not defendable in those ahadith. lanrexlan: # Sheik Muhammad Ibn Yahya al-husseini al-Ninowy is a Sunni, a Sufi. He only used to champion thought provoking lectures on his ancestors, Imam al-Hussein Ibn Ali, alayhi salam # Over here in Nigeria nko (not to mention Africa as a whole)? There are lots of Shia sheiks and students who are both Hafiz and excellent Qaris. 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 4:44am On Jul 13, 2017 |
Empiree: # Those are even the old papas. # In the real Iranian accent, "waw" is "vav" e.g Jawad in Arabic, its "Javad" in Farsi accent. # "Dhal or Zal" in Arabic accent is "sol" in Farsi accent. Just like "wa la dhãlîn", it is "va la sõlîn" in Farsi accent. # Just like our old papas in Yorubaland will read, "wala lãlîn". Case of Bilal # Bilal (radiallahu anhu) will recite " as' adu..." instead of "ash' adu...". This altogether, some learn how to adjust to the proper Arabic pronunciation, some simply cannot adjust finding it very difficult. # However, the youths have taken over everywhere. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Empiree: 5:49am On Jul 13, 2017 |
AlBaqir:You dey mind them. Listen to Sheikh Salah Bukhatir and Sheikh Sudais reciting sura Kahf ayah 19, both reciters' accent sounds Ga instead of Ka . "ayuha azka". They pronounce ayuha azga. It is Kaf written there |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 6:34am On Jul 13, 2017 |
MrOlai: BIGGEST SUNNI RECOGNISED SAHABAH WHO CANNOT RECITE QURAN # How does that headline sound? Mr sino, Demmzy15* It is a fact that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman were NEVER even among the reciters of the Qur'an let alone the best. Imam al-Bukhari records: 'Amr b. 'Ali - Yahya - Sufyan - Habib - Sa'id b. Jubayr - Ibn Abbas: 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "The best reciter among us is Ubayy , and the best judge among us is 'Ali." Source: Al-Sahih al-Mukhtasar, vol. 4, p. 1628, #4211 # ABU BAKR AND UMAR WAS LED IN SALAT BY A FREED SLAVE *There are Mutawattir Sunni hadith that the best Qur'anic reciter should lead people in Salat. Imam al-Bukhari records: Ibn 'Umar: Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhayfah, used to lead the earliest Muhajirun and the Sahabah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, in Salat in the Mosque of Quba. Among them were Abu Bakr, 'Umar, Abu Salamah, and Amir b. Rabi'ah ." Source: Al-Jami al-Sahih al-Mukhtasar, vol. 6, p. 2625, #6754 Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah (d. 235H) and Imam Ahmad Inn Hanbal also document this hadith. # It took Umar 12 years Al Qurtubi: Ibn Umar who said: "For Umar ibn Khattab it took Twelve years to learn Surah al-Baqarah" when he finished, he slaughtered a camel" Source: Tafsir Al-Qurtubi. Vol. 1, Pg. # 40. # What of Ali Ibn Abi Talib and Ibn Abbas There is no single Sunni report that portrayed Ali and Ibn Abbas as reciter rather both were known for tafsir of Qur'an. Ali is the most knowledgeable of the Qur'an, both Sunni and Shia sources say.
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| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 8:02am On Jul 13, 2017 |
Empiree: # This is where we used ask, " why did the third Khalifa Uthman destroyed the other six recitations (and left only the Qurayshi accent, without the authorisation of Nabi) when indeed Quran was revealed in seven different tongues (styles, accent)"? # Ask any Sunnī Muslim: “How many versions of the Qur’ān do we have today?” He is most likely to answer: “Only one.” However, according to “authentic” Sunnī aḥādīth, the Book of Allāh was actually revealed in SEVEN different versions. So, where are the other six?! The popular Salafī fatwā website, IslamQA, tells us about the seven versions of the Qur’ān, according to Sunnī Islām: "You should note, may Allaah bless you, that the Qur’aan was revealed in one style at the beginning, but the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kept asking Jibreel until he taught him seven styles, all of which were complete. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819) # In that case, what were these seven styles? The Salafī fatwā continues: https://islamqa.info/en/5142 Secondly, what is meant by styles (ahruf, sing. harf)? "The BEST of the scholarly opinions concerning what is meant is that there are seven ways of reciting the Qur’aan, where the wording may differ but the meaning is the same; if there is a different meaning then it is by way of variations on a theme, not opposing and contradiction." In other words, you could recite Sūrat al-Fātiḥah in seven different styles. The words of Sūrat al-Fātiḥah in Style A were different the words of the same Sūrat al-Fātiḥah in Style B. The words of this Sūrat al-Fātihah in Style C were different from the words of both Style A and Style B; and this was how all the seven styles were different from one another. Their words were different; but they all had the same meanings. IslamQA emphasizes this point again in the same fatwā: "It seems that the seven styles were revealed WITH DIFFERENT WORDINGS, as indicated by the hadeeth of ‘Umar, because ‘Umar’s objection was to the style, not the meaning. The differences between these styles are not the matter of contradiction and opposition, rather they are SYNONYMOUS, as Ibn Mas’ood said: “It is like one of you saying halumma, aqbil or ta’aal (all different ways of saying ‘Come here’) ." # This is not only Tahrif problem but also Qira'at problem. NB: I am not in anyway saying Yoruba accent, Irani accent etc which apparently pronounced differently from the general pronunciation we have told are the six destroyed and lost recitation. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by sino(m): 9:50am On Jul 13, 2017 |
lanrexlan: First, I have not passed any judgement on anybody. Secondly, I have not presented anything about tahrif on this thread, but rather quotes from Shi'a leaders who admit their lack of studying the Qur'an in their Hawzat and Universities. Thirdly, these Shi'a leaders, Ayatollahs, confirmed by themselves this huge challenges they have with the Qur'an, and one of them even admitted that some of their students cannot recite the Qur'an properly. Fourthly, I did not generalize, I only stated that I am not surprised, by their self admittance, if they cannot recite the Qur'an correctly. Fifthly, I had posted this issue about how the Shi'a scholars have challenges with the Qur'an, and quoting these Ayatollahs, over a year now, and up till now AlBaqir and his cohorts have not refuted these claims by their leaders, rather he was just beating about the bush looking for how to rope the Sunnis into their queer beliefs. Sixthly, If some of their scholars can recite correctly, all well and good, but this does not change the facts already presented with regards to their challenges with the Qur'an and openly admitted by their Ayatollahs, and by extension, their inability to recite the Qur'an properly. "The Hawzah does not provide support with regard to the learning of the Qur’an such as the study of its text and its basic sciences, thus the Hawzah student learns Fiqh and Islamic thought without being capable of reciting the Qur’an correctly […]‘ ‘The lack of Qur’an memorisation is one of the fundamental deficiencies in our Shiite Hawzas (‘seminars’) as it is not included in the curriculum, therefore, to this very day, more attention is given to the memorisation of the Alfiyyah (grammar work) and the Manzumah by Sabzewari (philosophy work) than to the memorisation of the Qur’an! This has tarnished the image of the Shia Hawzas, in fact this (i.e. lack of memorisation of the Qur’an) has lead to a sense of embarrassment in dialogue conference meetings between Shia scholars and scholars from other schools of thought, even in in front of their (i.e. Sunnis) young students …" [The Hawzah and the scholars of the religion, vol. 2, p. 250, by ‘Ayatollah’ ‘Ali Khamenei] Finally habiby, Shi'as are known even here on nairaland, to make a mountain out of a mole hill, if the tables were to be turned, you would have seen several pages of long posts claiming this and that. You would see AlBaqir quoting hadiths thaqalayn, but the first thaql, which is the Qur'an, is/was abandoned even by their scholars! So what is left for the followers to hold on to?! The narrations from their books full of fabrications and unknown people?! You may think this thread is not proper or irrelevant, but I see it differently, this issue is a real problem which the Shi'as are facing, the reason why Ayatollah Ali Khamenei penned the above words..It is their reality! |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by tintingz(m): 10:01am On Jul 13, 2017 |
The delusion of Islamic sectarians. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 10:33am On Jul 13, 2017 |
impossible27:Of course many Shi'as would surely smile with you while the harm Muslims, it's in their history. For you to have compared Saudi Arabia with Iran shows how uninformed you're, I won't argue with you because it's a lost cause! # It's thread not thrend! |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by impossible27(m): 11:09am On Jul 13, 2017 |
^^ ^ ^ I don't expect u to believe that demmzy afterall u are a sunni and it is mandatory for u to support saudis. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by AlBaqir(m): 12:46pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
impossible27: # Point of correction. Not all Sunni support Saudi America. The Salafi/Wahabi which Demmzy15 is indoctrinated with are usually hardened supporters of the Wahabi Saudi. |
| Re: Why Can't Shia Scholars Recite Qur'an Properly? by Demmzy15(m): 12:51pm On Jul 13, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Just as not all Shi'as support Iran(Israel) liars! |
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