Dsov2016:



Thunder fire u. Benin was an empire with the capital being the current benin city. It had controlled vast stretches of land up to benin republic and up to cameroon . in the 15th century, it fought to protect its northern borders against the fulanis (bringing this up so u can determine how far into the north its borders were) . around the 12th to 15th century the benin people moved its capital to its fortress city(benin). Unlike the other kings who bear oba, the benin had a system similar to the imperial roman empire with its system of several city states who pay allegiance and loyalty to one king the oba. If not for the useless British colonist, u would have known that during the mid 19th century to the of the punitive expedition the oba had sent his powerful warlords to ekiti to put down insurrection against the benin empire by (ogedengbe of illesha)people of ekiti extraction. It was these warlords Omumu who sacked Efon alaye and married the daughter to his son balogun asa(bor) . it was them who founded ado ekiti,igbara one,ilara,ogburugbura e.t.c . I know this because my great grandfather was the captain of the army and later became the main warlord. Pls stop saying nonsense u do not know before ur utterances awaken what u do not want.
Have u ever being to benin, then u will know how large the walls we're. The signs of how big the Walls were can be seen from the moat which was excavated to build it. He Benin's fought but it was a short battle because of how surprising the attack came. Even with the surprise ask any body vast in history about asoro and they will tell u that though he fell, how many British soldiers he took with him with just bow and arrow and how it made people name a hill after him. Most of the benin u see today is modern construction because a cannon was fired into benin and benin of then was razed down by fire. O HOW I WOSH HISTORY WAS BEING TAUGHT SO OUR PEOPLE WILL NOT WALLOW IN THIS STUPID IGNORANCE. It is on record that the benin most and some existing fragments of the wall is a UNESCO heritage site

At its maximum extent, the empire extended from the western Ibo tribes on the shores of the Niger river, through parts of the southwestern region of Nigeria (much of present-day Ondo State, and the isolated islands (current Lagos Island and Obalende) in the coastal region of present-day Lagos State). The Oyo Kingdom, which extended through most of south-western Nigeria to parts of present-day Republic of Benin was to the West.

fatiaforreal:

That is the satellite picture of the wall, and the location is very obvious, very far from Benin. It's in Ijebuland, SW Nigeria.
Benin was a great empire, but this post is just one of the many lies from our Bini brother.

frankia:
Look at them. Eko in Lagos is a bini terms if u must know. It means "resting camp" for d worriors dt faught nd conquered. Courtesy Oba Eware de great I.the Bini Kingdom conquered alot of cities even akure. Benin nd British kingdom are de only popularly known kingdom.

frankia:
Look at them. Eko in Lagos is a bini terms if u must know. It means "resting camp" for d worriors dt faught nd conquered. Courtesy Oba Eware de great I.the Bini Kingdom conquered alot of cities even akure. Benin nd British kingdom are de only popularly known kingdom.

macof:
A great kingdom, yes.
but in the league of empires, Bini is nothing of glory.

An empire that could not spread its ethnic identity, its language, its culture? its land? oh please. Don't insult true empires

Jaqenhghar:

I was reading an article about the great pains the chinese gonthrough to maintain that wall. Thay Benin wall is probably half gone

Obaluf0n:


Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

1. At its maximum extent means Bini empire kingdom was at its peak militarily. It was at this point Bini army was very powerful & it was during this period it conquered/reached the areas below:

2. Ibos on the shores refers - Delta/Onitsha environs.

3. Just a minor part of Ondo - Owo which they never conquered and Akoko areas which they struggled to raid.

4. Current Lagos island is Idumota in specific terms.

Look at what these people call an empire . Only areas of moder day Delta state, Onitsha area, Akoko area & Idumota is what these deluded people refer to as an empire?



This people make empire as a noun look bad.

These folks have been struggling to equate themsslves with the Yoruba since mid-western region days. Notice in the quoted text above how they refer to Bini kingdom with patches of lands as an empire but referred to Oyo that spread as far as modern day Ghana/Togo as a 'kingdom'.

macof:
Eko also means Farm in the native Awori dialect.
the bini camp was set up in modern day Enuwa, which is behind Idumota. the whole area used to be Farmlands for the Awori Idejo chiefs

so many times did Akure defeat bini in battle and force Bini troops back home

see illiterate. Abbysinia is not a popular kingdom? Netherland is not a popular kingdom(still existing), Denmark, Spain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc are all popular kingdoms

a typical bini ignoramus only knows Bini and Britain

KingOvoramwen1:
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Akure defeat BENIN?! ..... STOP BEEN PATHETIC ..... THE DECAPITATED HEADS OF YOUR KINGS ARE AT THE BENIN PALACE

frankia:
Look at them. Eko in Lagos is a bini terms if u must know. It means "resting camp" for d worriors dt faught nd conquered. Courtesy Oba Eware de great I.the Bini Kingdom conquered alot of cities even akure. Benin nd British kingdom are de only popularly known kingdom.

aljharem:
OP I have you time today. Enough of all these lies

1. The picture you displayed is NEVER bini but Sungbo's Eredo which is located in Ijebuland aka Yoruba

http://originalpeople.org/sungbos-eredo-africas-largest-man-structure/

2. Benin KINGDOM NOT AN EMPIRE. Do you know what an empire is ?

3. Benin kingdom wall IS NOT ONE OF THE LARGEST MAN-MADE WALL. STOP THE LIES.

In Nigeria alone we have larger man made structures than benin wall.

- Sungbo Eredo
- The Queen Amina Palace. Just to mention a few

4. The british never fought benin, they simply conqured it. It is on record that only the Igbos and Lagosian fought the british

I don tire sef. I no get energy wer I get before

Anyway keep deceiving yourself

Obaluf0n:


Bro, been a while!
Good to see your handle is still alive and well.
Greetings!

KingOvoramwen1:
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All lies. Bini and shameless lies

Ado-ekiti was founded as one of the original 16 crowned kingdoms in the late 13th century/early 14th century. It's origins go straight to Ifem
Bini never controlled Efon -Alaaye. [/s]




You always are pathetic every time you type.... I pity you bcus denial would do you no good

oluwasheun94:
4. The british never fought benin, they simply conqured it. damn....

Sagay212:
Benin people can lie...nor be only asha.wo dem sabi...

AreaFada2:


These SW people believe that if you repeat lies frequently enough, with a large number of people with ethnic bias reading it, and later claiming to know it as the truth, then you can twist history.

But we are not going to allow it.

SW people have put Benin Empire matter on their head like gala. And we give no single mess about theirs.

Last time here on a similar thread, they conspired to block that I could not comment anymore. That is how dirty they are ready to go.

Many will even leave their wives in bed to stay up and pump out ethno-centric lies first hatched by Awo. To make SW appear like one eternally homogeneous tribe that always dominated the South of Nigeria. Whereas many of them, especially in Eastern Yorubaland, up to Otun in Northern Ekiti, were Benin vassals.

Their sickening ethno-centric antics first cause Midwest to break away from Western Region in the 1963 referendum. We know them long ago.

I never used to take them seriously. But since they used lies & propaganda to oust GEJ and forced a bedridden old man on us, claiming he's the as the best leader since King Solomon, I now cannot stand akimbo.

macof:


Always well bro. The culture section has just been lacking in content lately so I'm not so active anymore

macof:



All lies. Bini and shameless lies

Ado-ekiti was founded as one of the original 16 crowned kingdoms in the late 13th century/early 14th century. It's origins go straight to Ife
Bini never controlled Efon -Alaaye.

aljharem:
OP I have you time today. Enough of all these lies

1. The picture you displayed is NEVER bini but Sungbo's Eredo which is located in Ijebuland aka Yoruba

http://originalpeople.org/sungbos-eredo-africas-largest-man-structure/

2. Benin KINGDOM NOT AN EMPIRE. Do you know what an empire is ?

3. Benin kingdom wall IS NOT ONE OF THE LARGEST MAN-MADE WALL. STOP THE LIES.

In Nigeria alone we have larger man made structures than benin wall.

- Sungbo Eredo
- The Queen Amina Palace. Just to mention a few

4. The british never fought benin, they simply conqured it. It is on record that only the Igbos and Lagosian fought the british

I don tire sef. I no get energy wer I get before

Anyway keep deceiving yourself

macof:
Eko also means Farm in the native Awori dialect.
the bini camp was set up in modern day Enuwa, which is behind Idumota. the whole area used to be Farmlands for the Awori Idejo chiefs

so many times did Akure defeat bini in battle and force Bini troops back home

see illiterate. Abbysinia is not a popular kingdom? Netherland is not a popular kingdom(still existing), Denmark, Spain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc are all popular kingdoms

a typical bini ignoramus only knows Bini and Britain

KingOvoramwen1:
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Akure defeat BENIN?! ..... STOP BEEN PATHETIC ..... THE DECAPITATED HEADS OF YOUR KINGS ARE AT THE BENIN PALACE

aljharem:
OP I have you time today. Enough of all these lies

1. The picture you displayed is NEVER bini but Sungbo's Eredo which is located in Ijebuland aka Yoruba

http://originalpeople.org/sungbos-eredo-africas-largest-man-structure/

2. Benin KINGDOM NOT AN EMPIRE. Do you know what an empire is ? :

3. Benin kingdom wall IS NOT ONE OF THE LARGEST MAN-MADE WALL. STOP THE LIES.

In Nigeria alone we have larger man made structures than benin wall.

- Sungbo Eredo
- The Queen Amina Palace. Just to mention a few

4. The british never fought benin, they simply conqured it. It is on record that only the Igbos and Lagosian fought the british

I don tire sef. I no get energy wer I get before

Anyway keep deceiving yourself

AreaFada2:


The thing is a son of the former Eleko/Oba of Lagos was my schoolmate. He actually told me his family history. Before I heard same from other sources.

Until Oba Kosoko was deposed in 1853, Lagos was a Benin colony. It was that same year that Eleko Dosunmu had the effrontery to refuse Oba of Benin's command. The first by any Lagos ruler ever. The command was to allow Oba Kosoko return from Epe back to Eko/Lagos. He dared to refuse because British Navy guns were at Lagos harbour (the British now controlling & protecting him) after ceding Lagos to become a British protectorate.
They do not know the history from the source. They read a few revisionist books & think they know.

An Emperor is a king of Kings. One that has vassal kings under him. Therefore having control or influence over territories outside it's native land.
Benin had vassals paying tribute from what is now Delta, Eastern Yorubaland, rulers outside non-Benin areas of current Edo State to Lagos and other places.
Now tell me what else you need to be an empire. They think Empire only has to do with size. Maybe across Sahara desert to North Africa.

Esan chronicles clearly narrates the sacking of Akure in the 1820s because the Deji dared to make the insignia of office (the sceptre & sword called Ada & Eben) by himself instead of receiving them from Benin.

Many claimed that Benin did not spread their language & culture, so it was not an empire. They clearly do not understand Benin's idea of empire.
Benin always wanted to preserve Benin culture & language within core Benin area. So was the sense of superiority Benin had. Benin was very stratified with about 34 Royal Guilds. Each restricted to certain classes of people. To believe that Benin wanted it's culture adulterated all over the territories is to completely miss the history.

Even in new territories, Benin only wanted to control central power and take over the elite cadre of the land. For example: When Oba Olua (reigned 1473 to 1480 AD) of Benin sent his son Prince Ginuwa to go and make a kingdom for himself as the Ogiame (The Lord of the Seas) in what is now Warri area, he gave him a full royal court. The courtiers were sons of Oba's own hereditary chiefs to replicate the royal court in the new land. So remains Itsekiri's monarchy & high chiefs mostly of Benin descent till today.
I am product of a similar royal party to Eastern Yorubaland.

Those SW people making noise here mostly have no properly links with the matter at hand. Since Obas are two a penny in SW, some will form royalty here.

Why would Aare Ona Kankanfo of Oyo empire make a treaty with Iyase Ekpenede of Benin at Otun in Northern Ekiti if it was not between two empires? Kankanfo planted date palm facing Oyo direction & Ekpenede planted Ikhimwin tree facing Benin to cement the treaty? Why Otun that is deep in Yorubaland? Simply because as history makes clear, it was to demarcate Benin & Oyo empires. Some nowadays claim it was to demarcate sphere of influence. What is the difference? There is no practical difference at all.

Many more stuff. Their denial is a show of desperation.

Obaluf0n:


Stop lying fam! Well, I am not surprised. [b]Didn't you say you were some old British schooled diplomat? [/b]British trained diplomat who cosigns meme as a source of historical fact

We discussed the emboldebed before, Bini never conquered any part of Ekiti nor was any part of Ekiti a vassal town to Bini.

Otun Ekiti was a market town, it was a trade point between east and west. It was never conquered by Oyo nor Bini, stop lying old fellow.

AreaFada2:

You can lie I know. But I never knew you have comprehension problems too.
Anybody who follows my comments on important topics would know what i do for a living. Certainly as in real life, some may have found reasonable tips to some problems. No need to brag. British educated yes. Why not? I did not deny others the privilege to.

I remember that topic where you insinuated that the current Oba of Benin isn't well educated. I made it clear that how can a UK-educated man that served as a diplomat (ambassador of Nigeria to Scandinavia covering several countries, Italy & Angola) cannot be poorly educated.

Please in your haste to insult others, still try to read well & understand. Thank you.

You see, these days, anyone can claim anything. What I said is on record. And I have said it here for years. One Otun guy first argued same like two years ago. Later he ended up soliciting for more historical info about his town. I have seen many here.
It is even irrelevant now anyway.

macof:
Eko also means Farm in the native Awori dialect.
the bini camp was set up in modern day Enuwa, which is behind Idumota. the whole area used to be Farmlands for the Awori Idejo chiefs

so many times did Akure defeat bini in battle and force Bini troops back home

see illiterate. Abbysinia is not a popular kingdom? Netherland is not a popular kingdom(still existing), Denmark, Spain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc are all popular kingdoms

a typical bini ignoramus only knows Bini and Britain