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Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 8:36pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
Seun: Not all believers in God's existence are religious so how do you reconcile that? Why would religion be a worship of a God or gods when a lot do not make a religion out of it. By the way Mr Seun I have been meaning to reach you some way with some complaints. How do I do this? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by obinna58(m): 8:37pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
4kings:Generally |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by Seun(m): 8:43pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
4kings:Well we don't know any other creature that can create a religion, so this is a reasonable assumption. Monotheists believe that all religions except one were man made. Atheists have found no reason to believe that there is any exception. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by 4kings: 8:53pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
Seun:I dont have that believe, haba. i just wanted to know why he thinks there are manmade. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by JackBizzle: 9:01pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: A meaningless question. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by JackBizzle: 9:02pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: ![]() A whole lot of words saying nothing 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by johnydon22(m): 9:11pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Anybody can employ religious skepticism, so why can't the atheists also do same? Or being atheists makes them not qualified to also employ religious skepticism or have opinions about matters of public concern like religion? Atheist or not, people are free to talk or discuss religion so what exactly is the point here? 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 9:16pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
JackBizzle: How is my question meaningless? You said the concept of God or gods by everyone is PRIMITIVE so what's your ideal idea of a MODERN God? If you say something is primitive this means you have a modern comparison. So what is it? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 9:17pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
JackBizzle: As expected you could not understand anything I said. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 9:25pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
johnydon22: Everyone is free to discuss religion but here is the issue. Is religion the ONLY understanding of God you know? Did you read anywhere that Religion keeps God in existence? Why then do you have this fixation on Religion? Can you not find a clear divide between God and Religion? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by johnydon22(m): 9:28pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: Here is the mistake: You have assumed that anyone discussing religion is doing so as a means to understand the concept of God but that is wrong, there is more to religion than just Gods and there are in fact religions without God. So people are free to discuss religion or not ? That's the question. God and religion is not the matter but rather " religion" as a matter of public concern. So people have every right to hold opinions about religion what ever their belief or unbelief is, No? 14 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 9:47pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
johnydon22: You keep saying Religion is a matter of public concern and I wonder what public group it particularly concerns. You seem to think it's a general concern and you are the super hero flying in to the rescue. If you are not discussing Religion in order to gain understanding then what other reason have you got to discuss it besides scepticism? This is the entire point! Even if Religion were true you do not wish to discuss in order to understand as you already said so why go around with the same monotonous scepticism as found in theodicy which is what I have come to observe in the atheists here. If you now say you are not particularly being sceptical about religion as there is more to discuss in religion besides scepticism then tell me what that is because surely understanding isn't on that list. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by hahn(m): 9:49pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
chemystery: Exactly. God does not exist outside of religion 4 Likes |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 9:50pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
MONEYJOEE: He used deism to offer an example of God outside religion as a foundation for his opener. And he is quite right. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by MONEYJOEE: 10:02pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
Stupid Christians. They impose their mythologies on others, deny people their right to life on account of going against what their fairytale god want. These guys enact laws from their stu.pid books. Disturbs sane people at night with their loudspeaker. You can't enter a bus without getting deluged with their trite "repent or burn" message. You can't really expect the nonbelievers to be silent. The other day they almost scraped CRK, this same Christians were crying persecution all over the web. But doesn't give a Bleep when they oppress atheists. You think it's perfectly fine for you to criticize the government's decision to scrap your precious mythology from our school, but it's suddenly becomes a crime when an atheist criticize your religion for it's hatred, intolerance and bigotry. Your hypocrisy is nauseating. Grow up son, there's nothing you can do bout it. Atheism is here to stay. As long as you guys keep rubbing your fairytale on our faces, we'd never stop. Go 'head and cry us a river. Nonsense! 8 Likes |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by johnydon22(m): 10:02pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: Yes religion is a matter that concerns the public, it is more political and cultural than it is divine. Would you tell me not to talk about politics or even culture? No you wouldn't. So it seems curios that you are right here trying to limit peoples liberty to engage in any topic of discussion as it concerns the public, religion is a public affair, so anyone can talk about it, you are yet to provide reasons why religion is not a matter of public concern.
People discuss a particular issue for many reasons, many discuss politics to weigh the options at hand, many do same just to air their opinion or just for the fun of it. So what exactly is your concern on why people chose to discuss a particular matter?
As i have mentioned earlier, many religions are without God(s) and it is actually well known that many atheists are in fact religious. So again religion as a matter is of public concern, not limited to a certain class or caliber of people. Just as politics everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on religion, if you are to place a cap on what people can discuss or should discuss you must give reasons on which you base your arguments.
There are two points that i am going to use close this up with: 1. everyone has their own reason for engaging in a particular topic, religion is not exclusively theistic, it can also be atheistic so on that virtue even an atheist can claim as much right to religion as you. 2. Religious skepticism is open for all, religious or not as long as you a member of the public your right to opinions of every matter is fundamental, so whether you are atheistic or not you have sole right just like everyone else to chose what you wish to discuss and have every right to hold an opinion on every matter you deem necessary. Now i have a question for you: Are we all free to discuss religion or not just like every other matter no matter what our reasons for indulging may be? 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by MONEYJOEE: 10:05pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: What's your point? How does the existence of the lazy deist God proves Yahweh is anything than goat herders fiction? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by Seun(m): 10:06pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
4kings:What do you believe? (I'm not familiar with your position). spacetacular:Believing in God's existence in and of itself is religious. That's just how it is. Your concept of religion is really organized religion. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by CoolUsername: 10:07pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: That's false, that is not what atheists are saying. Speaking for myself, a God has to be 1. Omnipotent/omniscient: If not, it could just be a hyper-advanced alien species. 2. Conscious: If not, it is indistinguishable from a natural law. 3. The First Cause: If not, it is either a product of natural laws or requires an entity which would be more qualified for the role. All this is based on the baseless assumption that non-existence is the default position of reality. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by JackBizzle: 10:14pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
spacetacular: ![]() Ask why I said that the gods are primitive instead. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by MONEYJOEE: 10:16pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
Davidgrey: I swear. This is why I use invectives on him. Dude is super deluded lying Christian. You'd be better off talking to the wall |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 10:19pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
author=johnydon22 post=58992198] Yes religion is a matter that concerns the public, it is more political and cultural than it is divine. Would you tell me not to talk about politics or even culture? No you wouldn't. As an atheist what do you know about THE DIVINE? and do you have any pointers to what makes Religion political and cultural because the last time I checked, religion has absolutely no scholarly consensus over it. So it seems curios that you are right here to limit peoples liberty to engage in any topic of discussion as it concerns the public, religion is a public affair, so anyone can talk about it, you are yet to provide reasons why religion is not a matter of public concern. Again I ask, what is the purpose of talking about it besides scepticism or a deliberate attempt not to understand it? People discuss a particular issue for many reasons, many discuss politics to weigh the options at hand, many do same just to air their opinion or just for the fun of it. So what exactly is your concern on why people chose to discuss a particular matter? We are not talking about politics but RELIGION. what is your reason for discussing it? As i have mentioned earlier, many religions are without God(s) and it is actually well known that many atheists are in fact religious. So again religion as a matter is of public concern, not limited to a certain class or caliber of people. Just as politics everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on religion, if you are to place a cap on what people can discuss or should discuss you must give reasons on which you base your arguments. Again this is not about politics. Focus on religion please. There are two points that i am going to use close this up with: 1. everyone has their own reason for engaging in a particular topic, religion is not exclusively theistic, it can also be atheistic so on that virtue even an atheist can claim as much right to religion as you. Have you ever tried dissecting religion with a religious atheist? If you have done this, have you done so in an attempt to understand since its one atheist to another or you also did so as scepticism? 2. Religious skepticism is open for all, religious or not as long as you a member of the public your right to opinions of every matter is fundamental, so whether you are atheistic or not you have sole right just like everyone else to chose what you wish to discuss and have every right to hold an opinion on every matter you deem necessary. You kept on repeating the same thing on every line and this is not an exception. Now i have a question for you: Are we all free to discuss religion or not just like every other matter no matter what our reasons for indulging may be? The question should be, should religion be the paramount concern of an atheist since even you have been able to identify that God exists outside religion and that one can be religious without God and believe in God without being religious. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by MONEYJOEE: 10:19pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
johnydon22: I'm smoking me some hard joint ATM bro. Although ebuka is getting me riled with his usual falsehoods, but I'm still good. I just think there are people who doesn't deserve a polite response. |
Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
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Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by GoodMuyis(m): 10:22pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
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Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by spacetacular(f): 10:22pm On Jul 30, 2017 |
Mr Seun this is one of such reports I wish to tender to you. I believe this website has rules which everyone must uphold. |
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