Seun:

Religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."(Google) This makes atheism a rejection of religion. We reject "the belief in and worship of ... God" because we have not been convinced that any God exists. Deists reject organized religion but their belief in the undetectable God is essentially a personal religion.

Not all believers in God's existence are religious so how do you reconcile that? Why would religion be a worship of a God or gods when a lot do not make a religion out of it.

By the way Mr Seun I have been meaning to reach you some way with some complaints. How do I do this?

4kings:

So u're simply not sure?

Generally

4kings:

Why do you think there are all man made?
just asking

Well we don't know any other creature that can create a religion, so this is a reasonable assumption.
Monotheists believe that all religions except one were man made. Atheists have found no reason to believe that there is any exception.

Seun:

Well we don't know any other creature that can create a religion, so this is a reasonable assumption. You believe that all religions except one are man made. We have found no reason to believe that there is any exception.

I dont have that believe, haba.

i just wanted to know why he thinks there are manmade.

spacetacular:


Is complexity a sign of being modern or is simplicity meant to be proof of actual steps in a modern direction?

What would be your version of a modern God?

A meaningless question.

spacetacular:


Jack a lot of you here whom I have observed per your arguments for atheism are all coincidentally taking stands as atheists based on Theodicy and this is because you believe that the world as you experience it cannot be reconciled with the qualities commonly ascribed to God and gods. You argue that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent God is not compatible with a world where there is evil and suffering, and where divine love is hidden from many people. A similar argument is attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. (I find it strange that you all hold similar ideals and this speaks more of skepticism and not actual atheism).

I believe the originator of this piece talks about your lack of focus on God or gods but rather on your fierce attack on religion which truly has absolutely no link to God or gods especially since God is believed to exist without religion and has been existing before religion. So religion cannot be said to be the reason for God. Not every believer in A GOD has made a religion out of it. Some have simply stopped at A BELIEF.

How is it that you are deviating from what the originator of the piece is on about. The message is simple. Even you should be able to see it.

A whole lot of words saying nothing

KingEbukasBlog:
Why are atheists here discussing the bible , religious beliefs , religious doctrine when it has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God . The deists who acknowledge the existence of God reject religious beliefs and question religious authority .

Atheism is not the rejection of religion . There are religious atheists . So can an atheist explain the obsession with religious skepticism when it has nothing to do with the existence of God ?

Anybody can employ religious skepticism, so why can't the atheists also do same?

Or being atheists makes them not qualified to also employ religious skepticism or have opinions about matters of public concern like religion?

Atheist or not, people are free to talk or discuss religion so what exactly is the point here?

JackBizzle:


A meaningless question.

How is my question meaningless? You said the concept of God or gods by everyone is PRIMITIVE so what's your ideal idea of a MODERN God? If you say something is primitive this means you have a modern comparison. So what is it?

JackBizzle:




A whole lot of words saying nothing

As expected you could not understand anything I said.

johnydon22:


Anybody can employ religious skepticism, so why can't the atheists also do same?

Or being atheists makes them not qualified to also employ religious skepticism or have opinions about matters of public concern like religion?

Atheist or not, people are free to talk or discuss religion so what exactly is the point here?

Everyone is free to discuss religion but here is the issue. Is religion the ONLY understanding of God you know? Did you read anywhere that Religion keeps God in existence?

Why then do you have this fixation on Religion? Can you not find a clear divide between God and Religion?

spacetacular:


Everyone is free to discuss religion but here is the issue. Is religion the ONLY understanding of God you know? Did you read anywhere that Religion keeps God in existence?

Here is the mistake: You have assumed that anyone discussing religion is doing so as a means to understand the concept of God but that is wrong, there is more to religion than just Gods and there are in fact religions without God.



So people are free to discuss religion or not ?

That's the question.

Why then do you have this fixation on Religion? Can you not find a clear divide between God and Religion?

God and religion is not the matter but rather " religion" as a matter of public concern.

So people have every right to hold opinions about religion what ever their belief or unbelief is, No?

johnydon22:


Here is the mistake: You have assumed that anyone discussing religion is doing so as a means to understand the concept of God but that is wrong, there is more to religion than just Gods and there are in fact religions without God.



So people are free to discuss religion or not ?

That's the question.


God and religion is not the matter but rather " religion" as a matter of public concern.

So people have every right to hold opinions about religion what ever their belief or unbelief is, No?

You keep saying Religion is a matter of public concern and I wonder what public group it particularly concerns. You seem to think it's a general concern and you are the super hero flying in to the rescue.

If you are not discussing Religion in order to gain understanding then what other reason have you got to discuss it besides scepticism? This is the entire point!

Even if Religion were true you do not wish to discuss in order to understand as you already said so why go around with the same monotonous scepticism as found in theodicy which is what I have come to observe in the atheists here.

If you now say you are not particularly being sceptical about religion as there is more to discuss in religion besides scepticism then tell me what that is because surely understanding isn't on that list.

chemystery:

Because religionists created God

Exactly. God does not exist outside of religion

MONEYJOEE:


You this stupi.d brainwashed yahweh imbec.ile always obsessing on deist. Why the fuc.k you keep mentioning the deist god. Is yahweh a deist god? Evidence for yahweh is all in the Bible and we know the Bible is a book authored by ignorant goat herders. That alone disproves your sick Bible god. You musta realize how ridiculous it is to be a yahweh worshipper but there's this emotional, psychological and social thingy tying you to theism, so you continue to defend your irrational position with the deist god even when they stand against everything theism is about. I normally don't take you serious, had to quote you and remind you of your gaudy stupidity.

He used deism to offer an example of God outside religion as a foundation for his opener. And he is quite right.

Stupid Christians. They impose their mythologies on others, deny people their right to life on account of going against what their fairytale god want. These guys enact laws from their stu.pid books. Disturbs sane people at night with their loudspeaker. You can't enter a bus without getting deluged with their trite "repent or burn" message. You can't really expect the nonbelievers to be silent.

The other day they almost scraped CRK, this same Christians were crying persecution all over the web. But doesn't give a Bleep when they oppress atheists. You think it's perfectly fine for you to criticize the government's decision to scrap your precious mythology from our school, but it's suddenly becomes a crime when an atheist criticize your religion for it's hatred, intolerance and bigotry. Your hypocrisy is nauseating. Grow up son, there's nothing you can do bout it. Atheism is here to stay. As long as you guys keep rubbing your fairytale on our faces, we'd never stop. Go 'head and cry us a river. Nonsense!

spacetacular:


You keep saying Religion is a matter of public concern and I wonder what public group it particularly concerns. You seem to think it's a general concern and you are the super hero flying in to the rescue.

Yes religion is a matter that concerns the public, it is more political and cultural than it is divine. Would you tell me not to talk about politics or even culture? No you wouldn't.

So it seems curios that you are right here trying to limit peoples liberty to engage in any topic of discussion as it concerns the public, religion is a public affair, so anyone can talk about it, you are yet to provide reasons why religion is not a matter of public concern.

If you are not discussing Religion in order to gain understanding then what other reason have you got to discuss it besides scepticism? This is the entire point!

People discuss a particular issue for many reasons, many discuss politics to weigh the options at hand, many do same just to air their opinion or just for the fun of it. So what exactly is your concern on why people chose to discuss a particular matter?

Even if Religion were true you do not wish to discuss in order to understand as you already said so why go around with the same monotonous scepticism as found in theodicy which is what I have come to observe in the atheists here.

As i have mentioned earlier, many religions are without God(s) and it is actually well known that many atheists are in fact religious. So again religion as a matter is of public concern, not limited to a certain class or caliber of people.

Just as politics everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on religion, if you are to place a cap on what people can discuss or should discuss you must give reasons on which you base your arguments.

If you now say you are not particularly being sceptical about religion as there is more to discuss in religion besides scepticism then tell me what that is because surely understanding isn't on that list.

There are two points that i am going to use close this up with:

1. everyone has their own reason for engaging in a particular topic, religion is not exclusively theistic, it can also be atheistic so on that virtue even an atheist can claim as much right to religion as you.

2. Religious skepticism is open for all, religious or not as long as you a member of the public your right to opinions of every matter is fundamental, so whether you are atheistic or not you have sole right just like everyone else to chose what you wish to discuss and have every right to hold an opinion on every matter you deem necessary.

Now i have a question for you:

Are we all free to discuss religion or not just like every other matter no matter what our reasons for indulging may be?

spacetacular:


He used deism to offer an example of God outside religion as a foundation for his opener. And he is quite right.

What's your point? How does the existence of the lazy deist God proves Yahweh is anything than goat herders fiction?

4kings:

I dont have that believe, haba.

i just wanted to know why he thinks there are manmade.

What do you believe? (I'm not familiar with your position).

spacetacular:
Not all believers in God's existence are religious so how do you reconcile that? Why would religion be a worship of a God or gods when a lot do not make a religion out of it.

Believing in God's existence in and of itself is religious. That's just how it is. Your concept of religion is really organized religion.

KingEbukasBlog:


Atheism simply rejects the deification of anything . To be lucid : an atheist does not want you to call anything God/god .

This means that an atheist is not necessarily saying there is no creator of the universe , its just saying don't deify it ; don't treat it as a God . Its just a being , let it be what it is .

That's false, that is not what atheists are saying.

Speaking for myself, a God has to be

1. Omnipotent/omniscient: If not, it could just be a hyper-advanced alien species.

2. Conscious: If not, it is indistinguishable from a natural law.

3. The First Cause: If not, it is either a product of natural laws or requires an entity which would be more qualified for the role.

All this is based on the baseless assumption that non-existence is the default position of reality.

spacetacular:


How is my question meaningless? You said the concept of God or gods by everyone is PRIMITIVE so what's your ideal idea of a MODERN God? If you say something is primitive this means you have a modern comparison. So what is it?

Ask why I said that the gods are primitive instead.

Davidgrey:
There is no practical evidence in "existence" that supports even the "remote" notion that your "god" exist, The bases of your reasoning is called delusion

Arguments with you are baseless and lack cogency

Heck! Debating with you is like haranguing a dog for barking!

I swear. This is why I use invectives on him. Dude is super deluded lying Christian. You'd be better off talking to the wall

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Yes religion is a matter that concerns the public, it is more political and cultural than it is divine. Would you tell me not to talk about politics or even culture? No you wouldn't.

As an atheist what do you know about THE DIVINE? and do you have any pointers to what makes Religion political and cultural because the last time I checked, religion has absolutely no scholarly consensus over it.

So it seems curios that you are right here to limit peoples liberty to engage in any topic of discussion as it concerns the public, religion is a public affair, so anyone can talk about it, you are yet to provide reasons why religion is not a matter of public concern.

Again I ask, what is the purpose of talking about it besides scepticism or a deliberate attempt not to understand it?


People discuss a particular issue for many reasons, many discuss politics to weigh the options at hand, many do same just to air their opinion or just for the fun of it. So what exactly is your concern on why people chose to discuss a particular matter?

We are not talking about politics but RELIGION. what is your reason for discussing it?


As i have mentioned earlier, many religions are without God(s) and it is actually well known that many atheists are in fact religious. So again religion as a matter is of public concern, not limited to a certain class or caliber of people.

Just as politics everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on religion, if you are to place a cap on what people can discuss or should discuss you must give reasons on which you base your arguments.

Again this is not about politics. Focus on religion please.

There are two points that i am going to use close this up with:

1. everyone has their own reason for engaging in a particular topic, religion is not exclusively theistic, it can also be atheistic so on that virtue even an atheist can claim as much right to religion as you.

Have you ever tried dissecting religion with a religious atheist? If you have done this, have you done so in an attempt to understand since its one atheist to another or you also did so as scepticism?

2. Religious skepticism is open for all, religious or not as long as you a member of the public your right to opinions of every matter is fundamental, so whether you are atheistic or not you have sole right just like everyone else to chose what you wish to discuss and have every right to hold an opinion on every matter you deem necessary.

You kept on repeating the same thing on every line and this is not an exception.

Now i have a question for you:

Are we all free to discuss religion or not just like every other matter no matter what our reasons for indulging may be?

The question should be, should religion be the paramount concern of an atheist since even you have been able to identify that God exists outside religion and that one can be religious without God and believe in God without being religious.

johnydon22:


Don't take things too seriously, talk with less contempt and animosity. It is needless to drag your emotions into this rather trivial matter

I'm smoking me some hard joint ATM bro. Although ebuka is getting me riled with his usual falsehoods, but I'm still good. I just think there are people who doesn't deserve a polite response.

Proudgorgeousga:
same old story

fine girl

spacetacular:


By the way Mr Seu.n I have been meaning to reach you some way with some complaints. How do I do this?

User Mail Supermod from Homepage just above the bottom adverts

Mr Seun this is one of such reports I wish to tender to you. I believe this website has rules which everyone must uphold.