safarigirl:
Kelechi has spent the last two weeks having medicals in Leicester

Mickael2:


Simple, just say it plain and direct, you do not like Osaze and you don't want him in the Super Eagles. Don't come up with baseless reasons why he shouldn't be invited.

Joebie:
I like to argue points. If anybody calls for Yak to be recalled. I will ask for his recent stats. Then that will form the basis of our discussion.

For me, as regards Osaze. Do I think he is finished, No? Do I think he can still perform at a high level for SE as he did in the past. No!

modified.
I think we have a solid midfield based on the personnel at our disposal. But we have to analyze from match to match and suggest who may be best suited for each opponent without interrupting consistency too much.

Tactics-wise, let's talk about Cameroon, and how it will be best to approach the game.

komekn:


Let me expand are all the current strikers better than Osaze, that the pertinent question.

Add to that Obagoal, Ideye and Anichebe.

If Gyan playing in a completely un-rated moi moi league in some money miss road Emirates. Can still turn it on for Ghana why not our much younger experienced players.

Consider Ribero, Alves, Ibrahimovic, Defoe all above 34 years old. Still cutting it at the highest levels of football.

Let's get up close and personal if Osaze Father had not taken the option to give birth to Osaze. In a country with automatic birth data capture Russia. I can assure you Osaze will claim 27/28 nobody go argue.

Finally as good as these young upstarts are who are mostly unproven. Take them to China and Malaysia and see if they will be scoring hat trick every match.

My view let it be a level playing field.


Finally and Finally before we start building for the future can we qualify for the tournament first. Or there will be no future to prepare our supposed young players for.

Nigerdeltaboi:
see e close eye
I think NFF/NPFL should organize a seminar in conjunction with football clubs and Academys to sensitize players as regards the legal aspects of the game, implications of signing agreements.This can also be incorporated into training curriculum too.
this will go a long way to prevent these sought of Mikel/iheanacho signing for different parties wahala

Joebie:
I categorically said I would like an Emenike-Iheanacho partnership, and you guys were calling for my head. Emenike brings speed, physicality and also good assists -- remember 2014 world cup. He also brings international experience.

This suggestion is particularly for the Cameroon encounter. Because for me Iheanacho is the untouchable as support striker.

Who else would you rather pair with Iheanacho? Kayode, Bonaventure, Osihmen, Ighalo? mention and state your reasons with stats like I did.. That's how to have healthy discussion.

It's a discussion. No need to call people names please

komekn:


Let me expand are all the current strikers better than Osaze, that the pertinent question.

Add to that Obagoal, Ideye and Anichebe.

If Gyan playing in a completely un-rated moi moi league in some money miss road Emirates. Can still turn it on for Ghana why not our much younger experienced players.

Consider Ribero, Alves, Ibrahimovic, Defoe all above 34 years old. Still cutting it at the highest levels of football.

Let's get up close and personal if Osaze Father had not taken the option to give birth to Osaze. In a country with automatic birth data capture Russia. I can assure you Osaze will claim 27/28 nobody go argue.

Finally as good as these young upstarts are who are mostly unproven. Take them to China and Malaysia and see if they will be scoring hat trick every match.

My view let it be a level playing field.


Finally and Finally before we start building for the future can we qualify for the tournament first. Or there will be no future to prepare our supposed young players for.

TheGoodJoe:


I disagree with going with physicality and power against Cameroun. I say we go with speed and mobility. Select a front line with pace and run riot on the Camerounians.

TheGoodJoe:


Or the NFF providing legal consultants to support the players before they sign deals.

TheGoodJoe:


I disagree with going with physicality and power against Cameroun. I say we go with speed and mobility. Select a front line with pace and run riot on the Camerounians.

Joebie:
We are saying the same thing. Or you you saying Emenike does not have mobility? Physicality is a plus.

TheGoodJoe:


Alves played in the Champions League final. He I one of the best players in the World today. Ibrahimovic had a brilliant season with Manchester United and was brilliant at PSG before joining Manchester United. One of the top players in the game today. Defoe was brilliant in the just concluded EPL. Highly respected.

Do not make Osaze and Emenike in that category. Osaze, Emenike will not start in any of the teams this guy's play/played for recently.

Joebie:
yes. young vs old. abroad born versus Nigerian-born brings bias and sentiments. Level playing field. Look a the stats and invite, and let them do battle, then we pick the starting line up. For now we still need consistency. Meaning we need not make too many changes, because it will defeat the purpose of having a cohesive unit

Joebie:
Likewise our youngsters, can they match the likes of Mbappe, Gabriel Jesus etc? I mean realistically, at the moment can our youngsters bench the aforementioned?

TheGoodJoe:


Physicality should not be the criteria but speed and mobility. Is Emenike faster an more mobile than most of our forwards? Your answer will determine if he is the right fit from the way I feel we must approach Cameroun.

Joebie:
I can answer yes.. and we will keep going back and forth. which is why i posted videos of emenike recently. That's him playing against considerably younger players. Watch it and tell me if he still has speed and mobility.

TheGoodJoe:


I think you missed the point. Making it look as if Ibrahimovic and co. are in the squad irrespective of their age neglects the fact this are among the best players in the World. When it comes to Osaze, Emenike and co, there is severe doubt that these guys are the best in our team.

Alves and Ibrahimovic are the best their teams can offer. Are Osaze and co. the best we can offer.

TheGoodJoe:


I disagree with going with physicality and power against Cameroun. I say we go with speed and mobility. Select a front line with pace and run riot on the Camerounians.

TheGoodJoe:


I will check it later but I have watched Emenike so much to put him faster and more mobile than Iheanacho, Onyekuru, Victor Moses and Isaac Success.

TheGoodJoe:


I think cohesive unit still falls into sentimental selection. Coherency will come with time from selecting the best. At this stage we are still building and coherency will deter that effort. As soon as we find the best in each role, we will have the cohesive unit we need.

Apart from that point I agree wholeheartedly with your point.

Joebie:
Let's not go too far. How about Gyan? And 9jastar rightly said without sentiments that the SA team had a couple players with bags of international experience, as an excuse as to one of the reasons why they beat us. While I don't agree completely with him, but I agree somewhat as long as that's not an excuse but something that counted to their favor, not necessarily against us, because we still had some players with international experience.

modified
To answer your question, I will say yes and no. It's subjective. The real question is are they showing that they still have something to offer? If they are then, let's see how they measure up with our young lads in camp.

Joebie:
Well we have Cameroon knocking at our door. That's the context here.

TheGoodJoe:


We outplayed South Africa in the first half. Had the chance to tear them apart but our final balls failed us. So the talk of their experience did not count in that aspect. We just wasted our opportunity.

If Ghana wants to bring Abedi Pele, it is their business. What matters to me is the best Nigerian players in every role starting with us having a killer bench of the next best players. The experience history does not stand in this case.

It is not about if they have something to offer. It is about if they are better than what we have. If Rohr runs a stamina drill, will they stand out from the players we already have? Can they play at the intensity Rohr wants to play etc. If they can, let them in but I highly doubt it.

TheGoodJoe:


Means playing with our best players. We can not talk of a cohesive unit when we have had disjointed run of coaches in recent years. We just started building and it should be done with our best players regardless of Cameroun knocking.

Joebie:
If we have several friendlies lined up and about 3 months before our next game I will agree with you completely. Truth is even Rohr will not make much changes to the team. Barring those who were absent due to injuries we may have just one new face or none at all. It's not realistic to assemble the so called best and expect them to gel in time before Cameroon, especially as they would have just about a week to train together.
That's a riskier alternative.

TheGoodJoe:


I am just being analogical to explain my point. Apart from some few changes, especially Aluko, I feel Rohr's list is spot on of our best players in every role. I hope Nura beats his injuries and I see him giving the left back role a good fight.

That is why I am using best because the call for the oldies sometimes is sentimental, devoid of the logic of selecting our best players in every role.

Joebie:
oga na.. Cameroon when don play together tire.. I fear you oh..

I fear we won't even be able to string 3 passes before losing the ball. You know individuality have been killing our football. Let's build slowly by selection and substitution. Getting your best players should not happen overnight or it will defeat the purpose. We must go Russia oh.

TheGoodJoe:


I can Stake heavy that we will top Cameroun in possession. Talk less of stringing three passes.

junnyjake:
I thought we've moved on from our loss against SA?

We had every right to brag about our ability before that game, that's no arrogance,

We had the quality in our squad, we had confidence in their individual abilities and that is in no way, we trying to overestimate our strengths or over hype our players as many would have it.

What we lacked was a cohesive force in the team. Even without Ikeme, Mikel, Moses, Balogun, we could have won them easily, it's not as if they were too threatening with their attacking.

With the reports we had from the training camp, John Ogu regularly played at Centre back. This was just one out of the many experiments Rohr pulled off with the limited time he had with the players at camp and the friendly games we played.

Everyone of the players fielded that day was quality and if each of them played with the discipline required of them at the roles assigned to them then we wouldn't be having this conversation.