MuttleyLaff:

"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I AM!"

Jesus told them:
"Truly, I tell all of you emphatically, before there was an Abraham, I AM!"
- John 8:58

The ''I AM'' designation is reminiscent of God's personal and/or official name, ''Yahweh''
which means ''One who always was, is, and will be''
Funning thing is Yahweh is not just only all over the place before Moses turns up
but is even before Abraham was born

MuttleyLaff:


and I am and will be waiting for you

PastorAIO:
Any way, you promised that you would be waiting for me yet you ran off and have only just resurfaced

PastorAIO:
ahem cough cough

MuttleyLaff:


Is it difficult for you to be patient?
The best things in life are worth waiting for
and everything comes in the right moment to the patient

Just because I havent posted back, doesnt meanit will nevr happen
Keep calm and have patience
Dont lose hope, no need to cough cough
Be patient, stay patient and not be a patient

PastorAIO:
It is easy to be patient when I don't expect something imminently.
But when I'm told that someone is waiting for me
and a response takes over a month and counting (cos you still haven't responded) then I believe I am allowed to feel, if not impatient, at least contempt for what seems like sheer idiotic braggadocio.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh please stop being a drama queen
You're acting like a demanding and nagging wife
Does ''I am and will be waiting for you'' look or sound like I promised you any entitlement?
I will publish my replies in my own time.
Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting. Suck it up!

MuttleyLaff:

You're acting like a demanding and nagging wife

PastorAIO:
Well I'm not going to hold my breath because the bottom line is that Cyrus says in the bible, which you hold to be Absolute literal truth, that it was Yahweh that commissioned him and gave him mandate. So if you want to keep up your Cyrus Cylinder brouhaha then you are calling your bible a liar. A book of lies. Either Cyrus said Yahweh called him, or Cyrus said that Marduk called him.

If you can resolve this dilemma for your pathetic weak brain within the next 35 years I'll give you a biscuit.

PastorAIO:
And please menh, if you need help to stop your wife from nagging you I can recommend some agbo (native herbs) that will help make you a man again, and your wife happier with you.

MuttleyLaff:


Wow, your whole diatribe makes it sound you're going out of your way dying for a jerk off face-off
and if you look up j e r k in the dictionary you will see a picture of your face
You are outed for what you really are

PastorAIO:


At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God. And Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.

PastorAIO:
At least we know that you can respond and you have no excuses but simply refuse to because of your satanic arrogance. Even a simple decent, 'oh I didn't know that, I admit I was probably wrong'. That is too much for you. Yet you claim to have a spirit from God.
And Ego filled spirit from the Arch Shaitan himself is closer to the truth.

PastorAIO:
and talking about face off:
the pompous confrontational braggadocious posts started with you.
and now you have to run and duck

MuttleyLaff:
Are you on some medications?
Like seriously, or you're on a day release?

What part in
''I will publish my replies in my own time. Until then I am in waiting mode and still waiting''
do you have a problem with understanding
So many nut cases loose on Nairaland.
Thankfully your IP address got noted down so mental assessment teams can pay you a visit.

PastorAIO:
This is what you are resorting to. Calling names. When you feel you have an argument please respond to the issues.

kkins25:
muttleylaff, youre stock on a crossroad. the cyprus cylinder or the bible? which do we take as accurate and reputable? ?
Pastoraio, sarrassin nd co. sorry to digress a bit but my comment is on the character of YVWH. the way I see it, the God of the OT is quite different from the God of the NT.
the OT God has no value for human life, on the contrary the NT God loves all good and evil doers.
the OT God is somewhat anthropomorphic having attributes of hate, anger, jelousy, regret, creator of good and evil, tempter of men, heart hardner etc. the NT God is quite opposite, with attributes of pure love and all good, didnt creat evil, feels bad the world is lost etc.
when you put the OT and the NT together it makes no sense.
if jesus is God then jesus was the one who destroyed cities and killed men women nd kids. why feel remorse that he decided to sacrifice himself to himself so that himself would save d righteous and purnish the ungodly. I just stumbled upon a book by sir isaac newton onlie and the man claims church fathers altered the texts of the NT. to be continued.

kkins25:
muttleylaff, youre stock on a crossroad

kkins25:
the cyprus cylinder or the bible? which do we take as accurate and reputable?

kkins25:
Pastoraio, sarrassin nd co. sorry to digress a bit but my comment is on the character of YVWH.
the way I see it, the God of the OT is quite different from the God of the NT

kkins25:
the OT God has no value for human life, on the contrary the NT God loves all good and evil doers

kkins25:
the OT God is somewhat anthropomorphic having attributes of hate, anger, jelousy, regret, creator of good and evil, tempter of men, heart hardner etc.
The NT God is quite opposite, with attributes of pure love and all good, didnt creat evil, feels bad the world is lost etc
when you put the OT and the NT together it makes no sense

kkins25:
if Jesus is God then Jesus was the One who destroyed cities and killed men women and kids.
Why feel remorse that He decided to sacrifice himself to Himself so that Himself would save the righteous and punish the ungodly.

kkins25:
I just stumbled upon a book by Sir Isaac Newton onlie and the man claims church fathers altered the texts of the NT. to be continued

Sarassin:
Yes, we await the views of the very excellent Muttleyaff…..

Sarassin:
I do agree with a lot of what you have posted, it seems clear that the anthropomorphic Jewish deity that is YHWH is incompatible with that of the more universal compassionate construct of the New Testament, I agree with the contrasts that you have made. There were quite a few early Christian fathers who clearly believed the same too, the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT

Sarassin:
It is clear to see that a lot of Marcion’s doctrine found its way into Paul’s writings, in fact were it not for Marcion who collected, collated and distributed Paul’s writings, Paul would be largely unknown today. Isaac Newton was right of course, it is fair to say that the NT writings were significantly altered, we see the horrible curse in the apocalypse of John (Rev 22: 18-19) and of course the outburst of Paul himself in the Book of Galatians against those who in his view, were perverting the gospel, these demonstrate that even in the writers lifetimes their words were being altered, we know that Marcion as well as Polycarp heavily edited Paul’s writings, not to even mention the hundreds of biblical scribes and copyists

Sarassin:
It seems to me the NT has less to do with the inspiration of God and more to do with the assertions of Man

MuttleyLaff:
On the contrary, I am not stuck on a crossroad
The question you should have asked is:
What number on my priority list, is responding to this thread, and especially to my friend pastor AIO?
If you had, I would have gladly told you: Far, very far up on the queue is the number

Judged on each own merits, both

Most of us watch our parents' dealings and interactions with our kids
I say of such parents that they are quite different from when we were kids and growing up
My dear friend Sarassin, is elderly, and I can bet his kids would have said him and his madam, they've gone soft with age
That things they, his kids, wouldnt dare try with him and his madam, the grandkids are doing then and getting away muder
(i.e. the grandkids are allowed to do things that they when growing up would've got punished or told off for doing same)

What?! Kai.
The OT God has no value for human life?
Chai there's God ooo

It isnt just only anthropomorphism,
there also is the anthropopathism and/or personifications of God, used in the Bible or other literature
all in the quest to make sure the communicated messages gets put across in an understood manner or way.

Maybe putting the OT God and the NT God together doesnt make sense to you
but it sure does make a whole lot and great deal of sense to those it does

So you dont destroy things, hmm? You dont put things in the trashcan or wastebasket erh?
Pu-lease spare us the sanctimonious talk jaare.

Feel remorse ke?
I can bet my bottom dollar that,
if you were to be God, and for that matter, be a God that is omniscient, knowing all and what you know,
you would have bottled up on creation etcetera and not let Adam see the light of day

The ''church fathers''' theology(ies) influenced their individual translation of the Bible (i.e. NT and all)

kkins25:
kill the men, women and children (even children) are kids sinful?? "keep the virgins for yourself" if God uttered such then prophet mohammed is a true prophet.
Remember someone accidently touvched the ark of convenant and he was immediately killed by God. God of the OT destroyed any one who disobeys him. (look how he handled the guy who stayed in the belly of a whale) . im not blind niggar God of the NT loved all creation (yeah lets not remember when God eliminated 99.9 % of human in the flood.

should I post bible verses from the NT and the OT that contradict each other on the character of God?? God created good nd evil according to isiah. according to paul, james, and Jesus himself God is pure LOVE.
Have you heard of gnostism?? they believe jehova aka saldabaoth(spelling error) is the REAL Devil who thinks he is the supreme God. read the gospel of thomas, apocryphal of john, gospel of magdalene.

id pretend I didnt see this. youre now comparing me to God who is supposed to be all-knowing?? hold it there sir.

if I were the all knowing let me tell you what id do.
1) id not have tempted adam. why put chocolate in front of a baby nd say hey dont eat the chocolate, see buscuit there. God knew eve would take that fruit (if he didnt how can he be all knowing??)
2) of the hundreds of planets, the only one suiytable for the satan nd his demons was earth abi?? I would have lock lucifer in the Sun.
3) if I were God the all powerful I would have snapped my fingers and erased evil.
4) if I were all powerful I would provide proof to the atheists that indeed im here
5) if I were all power full I would have delivered the jews from the hands of the romans. up till today the vatican (rome rules)
6) if I were perfect then my creation would be perfect.

So if the bible which is supposed to be the word of God has been altered, why should I not criticize every word, sentence, verse and chapter. just reply my post muttleylaff and stop this chicken tatic of avoiding argument.

MuttleyLaff:
[/size]Besides the obvious fact that you have a dim and highly subjective view of God
how do you expect anyone to correctly reply to a spaghetti response of this kind from you
Sharpen up the post properly, else it'll be just like an unsharpened pencil - with no point

kkins25:
go nd read again. sir chicken..the truth would piss you off

Sarassin:


Yes, we await the views of the very excellent Muttleyaff…..

I do agree with a lot of what you have posted, it seems clear that the anthropomorphic Jewish deity that is YHWH is incompatible with that of the more universal compassionate construct of the New Testament, I agree with the contrasts that you have made. There were quite a few early Christian fathers who clearly believed the same too, the likes of Marcion was completely convinced that the God of the OT simply could not be the God of the NT.

It is clear to see that a lot of Marcion’s doctrine found its way into Paul’s writings, in fact were it not for Marcion who collected, collated and distributed Paul’s writings, Paul would be largely unknown today. Isaac Newton was right of course, it is fair to say that the NT writings were significantly altered, we see the horrible curse in the apocalypse of John (Rev 22: 18-19) and of course the outburst of Paul himself in the Book of Galatians against those who in his view, were perverting the gospel, these demonstrate that even in the writers lifetimes their words were being altered, we know that Marcion as well as Polycarp heavily edited Paul’s writings, not to even mention the hundreds of biblical scribes and copyists.

It seems to me the NT has less to do with the inspiration of God and more to do with the assertions of Man.

MuttleyLaff:
I see you've taken my advice to tidy up your post
- the presentation is now better and no more a tangled mess

You're back on the queue. I'll get back to you, moment asap you get to the fore

Now dear friend, if you cant learn to be serious and open-minded
at least learn to be respectful to people
and stop yourself from name-calling others by using rude names like sir chicken
You're picking up bad habits from MrPresident1

Why are your posts always in bad styles?
Dont you proofread your posts before and/or after posting?

MuttleyLaff:

My dear friend Sarassin, is elderly, and I can bet his kids would have said him and his madam, they've gone soft with age
That things they, his kids, wouldnt dare try with him and his madam, the grandkids are doing then and getting away with murder
(i.e. the grandkids are allowed to do things that they when growing up would've got punished or told off for doing same)

kkins25:
proofread when im using andriod?? how much would I earn??!!hahahaha...
even with my tab writing posts is hectic.. chicken is not a rude name, its an expression

Sarassin:
Elderly? you haven't seen me whizz down the street with my turbo-charged zimmer frame!

MuttleyLaff:
Bah! This is part of the problems with you guys nowadays
Class is out of the window because of money

kkins25:
this is the same technique you used to dodge pastoraio debate (which you lost).
you said you would reply but its still pending.
sarassin is also awaiting your response. now you have added me to the que. its all right, take your time.

MuttleyLaff:


God is non-corporeal, so any anthropomorphism, anthropopathism and/or personifications used in the Bible or other literature in regards to God, are done in order to make sure the communicated messages gets across in a way that can be understood or related to

MuttleyLaff:


What both you say, about the idiosyncrasies of God of Genesis chapter 1, and the LORD God of Genesis chapter 2 - chapter 3?

Have you and kkins25 noticed, the done on purpose usages of just God in Chapter 1, LORD God in chapter 2 and chapter 3
and then the deliberate singular usage of Lord or God in subsequent chapters to Genesis chapter 1, chapter 2 - chapter 3?
This interchanging usage of God, LORD God, Lord and God goes on from Genesis chapter 1 right up to Genesis chapter 9 and beyond.

MuttleyLaff:

You know, as well as I do, that, bible original text translations arent necessarily God inspired