raumdeuter:


If Hidden Hazard cannot deliver more than Josh King number of goals then why is he the star man and highest earner? Primary and sole duty is subjective. Costa didn't top goal scorers chart last season even didn't make top 3 yet Chelsea won the league. Madrid won their league Benzema scored 11 goals.

Players like Willian need to contribute more than the usual 5-7 goals a season as attackers, Same with Hidden Hazard

There are players like Costa who can stand alone upfront and battle defenders on his own, create chances out of nothing and win games, If you cant find that type of man then you have to find others options of winning games

Oga....except you are Jesus Christ and wishes to turn hazard and co. into Ronaldo or Messi n co., I don't know were you are heading to with this Convo.

raumdeuter:


If Hidden Hazard cannot deliver more than Josh King number of goals then why is he the star man and highest earner? Primary and sole duty is subjective. Costa didn't top goal scorers chart last season even didn't make top 3 yet Chelsea won the league. Madrid won their league Benzema scored 11 goals.

Players like Willian need to contribute more than the usual 5-7 goals a season as attackers, Same with Hidden Hazard

There are players like Costa who can stand alone upfront and battle defenders on his own, create chances out of nothing and win games, If you cant find that type of man then you have to find others options of winning games

Hazard is our main creator not our main goal threat. If you remove Pens from his game, he's averaging 8-9 goals a season.

Every team has a point man, and his supporting cast. Hazard is one of the best supporters in the business though we've been begging him to move from supporting cast to Star man for the last 2 seasons.

Costa was our point man, and so his replacement has to be pointman ready. We don't need a supporter to play 9.

Alvaro Morata had less than 20 minutes to prove his mettle against Arsenal and while many choose to criticise him for missing a penalty kick, the knowledgeable ones are looking at some qualities he exuded during the game.



For Chelsea legend Pat Nevin, he was happy with the way the striker manages to peel off defenders in the Box 18.

Nevin wrote in his column in the official Chelsea website: “With very few chances falling Michy Batshuayi’s way, the introduction of Alvaro Morata piqued the interest of most viewers. Once again sitting among other ex-players, I was keen to gauge the reaction. Geoff Hurst, who apparently had quite a good day at Wembley once, noted our new striker’s movement. He did have one chance at the back right-hand post, but the impressive thing was the peeling away from his marker which created the opportunity in the first place.



“It was the second time he did it in the game, and there is no doubt whatsoever that if he continues to move with that intelligence then Cesc Fabregas, David Luiz, Hazard, Willian, Pedro and the rest will pick him out and the chances will continue to come, hopefully along with the goals.”

raumdeuter:
I want to troll Morata but so many people are already on the bandwagon to troll him and predict his failure. So this troll-Morata train is no longer fun

I am jumping on the other one. #Support-Morata, #Morata-live-Matter, #Mo-Rata-More-Goals, Morata4life

afrodoc2:
10 goals! For a 70m CF who will be flanked by Hazard and Willian and not C.Ronaldo and Bale?
Where will all the other needed goals come from? I laff in sign language.

I still think 4-2-4 is the way,that way we have 4 goal scorers on the pitch

Better still 4-3-3

nateevs:
However you like to twist it, the objective is goals. Lots of them. The difference between us is how we intend to achieve them. You want to go down the line of finding one guy who does it all, at the expense of a collective goal-scoring system. I want to go down the line of a collective goal-scoring system, at the expense of one guy who does it all alone. Simples!

Why do I want this?

Well.....I want to prevent a situation where things fall apart, when the one guy who does it all, is unavailable. In it's place, I want a system that works for goals, even when the main guy is unavailable.

I think this is succinct enough. A technique that enhances a goal-scoring system, SIMPLE!

It's funny how these lot put you on a leash. The last time you tried explaining a concept, the term 'shekpe keeper' was coined.

Now this - 'First touch'.

Why evils?

timbros:


LOL...

So you actually took that comment as me attributing first touch to Morata?

In case you missed it, raumdeuter trolled Lukaku that his first touch was so bad that he landed in Man United instead of Chelsea. When we signed Morata, I made that comment to troll Man United.

And when I made that comment, 'first touch' have been flying around.

cc diggz

You have been clamouring for morata since God-knows-when. You confirmed that morata's first touch is top notch, unlike lukaku's. That line had nothing to do with trolling. Just accept you hailed morata for his superb first touch which emaprince didnt know of.

We will see if morata is better than lukaku in scoring goals too this season, which is the primary duty of a striker.

timbros:


I don't know what you guys see in this Lukaku sef.

Morata>>>Lukaku anytime any day.

afrodoc2:
10 goals! For a 70m CF who will be flanked by Hazard and Willian and not C.Ronaldo and Bale?
Where will all the other needed goals come from? I laff in sign language.

Er sir he won Madrid 13 points therefore winning the league for them so we are expecting him to do the same too at Chelsea

airmark:
Nobody said other players should not score. Hazard did last season and we benefited. Now shifting the burden to other players is the bigger gamble. Like you said if the striker is marked out, hazard and co can step in. What happens if hazard and co are marked out? Hazard delivered when costa had injuries in 2014/15 season. What we re saying is, strikers should be able to score more goals, cos the competition is tougher than before. If an injured hazard returns and is expected to up his goal tally, morata a 70m man should drop his, right?
We dont need a midfielder as striker, we are not real madrid with ronaldo. Even zidane benched him for benzema. To strike, means to hit, not to pamper.

And the Benzema that benched him, how many league goals did Benzema score?

This is not logical, Marking out one striker and marking out 2 others plus striker which one is easier to do?. If you have one arrow head who shoulders the bulk of the goal, then opponents will injure him or double team him, But if you have 3 potent players who can score when one is marked the others will score. Morata will score but he will never score 30 goals a season

and the 2014/15 season you mentioned Costa. Costa missed 6 games in that time and Hazard delivered 2 goals in 6 games. 1 of those goals was from a penalty situation. Is that what you call deliver?

BlueAngel444:
Alvaro Morata had less than 20 minutes to prove his mettle against Arsenal and while many choose to criticise him for missing a penalty kick, the knowledgeable ones are looking at some qualities he exuded during the game.

You don't need too much time to score. You don't even need to play in your position. Ask Timbros.

timbros:


Logic: Lukaku played for Chelsea 10 times, 0 goals (don't even start on the wing he played. Sturridge was scoring when he was played off wing.) but as soon as he left for West Brom he scored in his debut, as a 77th minute sub. The next game he scored. What better way to describe average player in a small pond?

nateevs:



You are the one who is being rigid in your analysis. You are trying to criticise the alternate viewpoint without full grasp of the underlying principles.

This is it. Because the whole concept of this is that in a fluid system, no one gets marked out. And that's where your analysis falls down.

Marking-out only happens when you play a system that is heavily reliant on a single outlet. In a fluid system, marking-out becomes redundant upon initiation because everyone utilises everyone else's attributes to be equally dangerous.

That's the whole point.

Fluid system when you have a striker like saurez,kane, lewandoski n co., a player who ain't better than solanke,traore or tammy with a price tag that will make adabowales fee look extremely cheap if he fails to deliver.

diggz:


Meanwhile there is no bandwagon kankan aspa morata especially when you take a look at those that are not ok with him.

I,nihilist and airmark never wanted the dude.

Its on record nihilist never wanted Conte too and felt he will fail

nihilist wanted Lukaku, airmark wanted Belloti, so unless Chelsea bought the 3 then someone will be disgruntled either way

Nihilstjnr:


Aye it did.

Do you want to enter the list. Space still dey o.

Is that the way of it?
I actually wanted us to go for Lukaku but since we lost him and got Morata, I looked for his Strength and I found first touch and team play. lol

diggz:


Oga....except you are Jesus Christ and wishes to turn hazard and co. into Ronaldo or Messi n co., I don't know were you are heading to with this Convo.

Then Hazard needs to be shipped out then, He doesnt need to be Messi or ROnaldo not even Neymar as those are beyond his talent and abilities

How about being Dele Alli, Alexis Sanchez not on the Josh King level

Is that too much to ask?

raumdeuter:


Its on record nihilist never wanted Conte too and felt he will fail

Not quite accurate. I didn't 'not want' Conte.

I just felt that he had no right to claim the players over achieved under Jose.

He sha prove me wrong. Winning the title with a bag of beans wearing jersey and shin pad is no mean feat

Griffon:


I think this is succinct enough. A technique that enhances a goal-scoring system, SIMPLE!

It's funny how these lot put you on a leash. The last time you tried explaining a concept, the term 'shekpe keeper' was coined.

Now this - 'First touch'.

Why evils?

Are you serious... see history

raumdeuter:


Its on record nihilist never wanted Conte too and felt he will fail

nihilist wanted Lukaku, airmark wanted Belloti, so unless Chelsea bought the 3 then someone will be disgruntled either way

I just freed Nihilist because I have little time for "I told you so" comments. Few games into last season, I was the first to explain the concept of the 3-4-3 and how I thought it was a brilliant system and how it enabled us score goals. Nihilist went on record saying that the goals were through luck and also stated that he wanted Conte out.

It is easy to travel the wide road.

Nihilstjnr:
Hazard is our main creator not our main goal threat. If you remove Pens from his game, he's averaging 8-9 goals a season.
Every team has a point man, and his supporting cast. Hazard is one of the best supporters in the business though we've been begging him to move from supporting cast to Star man for the last 2 seasons.
Costa was our point man, and so his replacement has to be pointman ready. We don't need a supporter to play 9.

If Hazard is your main creator then he also failed at that because he delivered 5 league assists all season last year and 7 in all comps when he was relieved of the so called Mourinho defensive duties. Maybe playing with a non typical 9 is what will bring out the best in Hazard because seeing his output for Belgium where he plays with Lukaku, points to it that Hazard and Lukaku probably dont gell

There isnt a like for like replacement for what Costa brings and since you all refused to manage Costa or beg him then you have to do without the Costa-like striker.

To play as a main striker in a non 442 formation is hard as you have to most cases battle 2 defenders and still score.

pamcode:
Is that the way of it?
I actually wanted us to go for Lukaku but since we lost him and got Morata, I looked for his Strength and I found first touch and team play. lol

First Touch and Team Play?! LOL!
This is the funniest Post I read on this Thread so far.

You ain't after goals scoring, rather first Tough and Team Play?!

LMAO!

nateevs:



You are the one who is being rigid in your analysis. You are trying to criticise the alternate viewpoint without full grasp of the underlying principles.

This is it. Because the whole concept of this is that in a fluid system, no one gets marked out. And that's where your analysis falls down.

Marking-out only happens when you play a system that is heavily reliant on a single outlet. In a fluid system, marking-out becomes redundant upon initiation because everyone utilises everyone else's attributes to be equally dangerous.

That's the whole point.

Did you see what Morata did unmarked this Sunday?

Main Man went for the ball with that Liu Kang Dragon kick and balloned the ball through the window of Raheem Sterling's old council flat in Stonebridge...

In 2004/2005 season, we had Duff-drogba-joe cole upfront and the trio were goal machines. We also had robben...then you add lampard behind them. Goal contribution was collective.

This is what we want now..though it wont be with willians of this world. I trust pedro to deliver to some extent. Then Hazard really need to step up too.

diggz:



Bwuahahahaha

Timbros haba mana!!! Why you wan stylishly remove Ur name from our first touch ambassadors?

Oya we now have pamcode,timbros and nateevs in the list. Please,we need to have all their names for record purposes. Thank you.

lol my hands no dey bros but I sincerely hope Morata comes good for Us if not for anything but for the numerous rival fans waiting to tear him apart.

airmark:


You have been clamouring for morata since God-knows-when. You confirmed that morata's first touch is top notch, unlike lukaku's. That line had nothing to do with trolling. Just accept you hailed morata for his superb first touch which emaprince didnt know of.

We will see if morata is better than lukaku in scoring goals too this season, which is the primary duty of a striker.

Whenever the discussion was Lukaku vs Morata, I always go Morata>Lukaku. And that's not about to change. I have had countless debates with Nihilist regarding Lukaku vs Morata....And that is where you are digging up those posts.

I repeat Morata>>Lukaku. BUT that doesn't mean if we had an opportunity to sign Ronaldo or Messi I will still clamour for Morata.

I am responsible for what I type but you, you are solely responsible for what you understand.

And my first question to diggz was 'Who started the first touch talk?' Can you honestly tell yourself that that my comment is the FIRST time you see talk of first touch in this thread?

nateevs:



I just freed Nihilist because I have little time for "I told you so" comments. Few games into last season, I was the first to explain the concept of the 3-4-3 and how I thought it was a brilliant system and how it enabled us score goals. Nihilist went on record saying that the goals were through luck and also stated that he wanted Conte out.

It is easy to travel the wide road.

I still don't believe in 343.

nate MIUIevs:
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You are the one who is being rigid in youkjkr analysis. You are trying to criticise the alternate viewpoint without full grasp of the underlying principles.

This is it. Because the whole concept of this is that in a fluid system, no one gets marked out. And that's where your analysis falls down.

Marking-out only happens when you play a system that is heavily reliant on a single outlet. In a fluid system, marking-out becomes redundant upon initiation because everyone utilises everyone else's attributes to be equally dangerous.

That's the whole point.

Fluid system when you have a striker like saurez,kane, lewandoski n co., a player whose scoring history ain't better than solanke,traore,batshuayi or tammy with a price tag that will make adabowales fee look extremely cheap if he fails to deliver.

raumdeuter:


If Hazard is your main creator then he also failed at that because he delivered 5 league assists all season last year and 7 in all comps when he was relieved of the so called Mourinho defensive duties. Maybe playing with a non typical 9 is what will bring out the best in Hazard because seeing his output for Belgium where he plays with Lukaku, points to it that Hazard and Lukaku probably dont gell

There isnt a like for like replacement for what Costa brings and since you all refused to manage Costa or beg him then you have to do without the Costa-like striker.

To play as a main striker in a non 442 formation is hard as you have to most cases battle 2 defenders and still score.

I don't think you understand my own agenda sha.

Nihilstjnr:


Not quite accurate. I didn't 'not want' Conte.

I just felt that he had no right to claim the players over achieved under Jose.

He sha prove me wrong. Winning the title with a bag of beans wearing jersey and shin pad is no mean feat

I'm no archaeologist but I'm sure Airmark can dig out your #ConteOut hashtag in this very thread if he wants to dig. Ibime is good in digging too.

Nihilstjnr:


You don't need too much time to score. You don't even need to play in your position. Ask Timbros.

Really
Ermm, Timbros, excuse me please explain

I prefer lukaku oh but since I got lemon instead. I mean Morata some points for him

Willing and able to run the channels and unselfish inside the penalty area, Morata would all but guarantee a more democratic spread of goals.

Nihilstjnr:


I still don't believe in 343.

Which system do you believe in with the players you have currently or you had last season

raumdeuter:


[s]And the Benzema that benched him, how many league goals did Benzema score?

This is not logical, Marking out one striker and marking out 2 others plus striker which one is easier to do?. If you have one arrow head who shoulders the bulk of the goal, then opponents will injure him or double team him, But if you have 3 potent players who can score when one is marked the others will score.[/s] Morata will score but he will never score 30 20 goals a season

and the 2014/15 season you mentioned Costa. Costa missed 6 games in that time and Hazard delivered 2 goals in 6 games. 1 of those goals was from a penalty situation. Is that what you call deliver?

To you hazard stepping up, is about scoring alone as if he was the striker that replaced costa, later you will be adding goals and assists together to rate players. In the absence of costa in that season, hazard was instrumental to a point shared at city, with an assist. A goal in a 2-1 victory away to villa, assist for that lone goal victory at qpr, the winning goal against manchester utd, the lone goal against crystal palace. Take away his influence as a winger in those matches, city would have won the league before costa returned.

However, hazard cant guarantee higher numbers of goals when he returns from injury, the striker we bought for 70m should.

pamcode:
Is that the way of it?
I actually wanted us to go for Lukaku but since we lost him and got Morata, I looked for his Strength and I found first touch and team play. lol

Pamcode is too late to remove Ur name from the list bros

raumdeuter:


And the Benzema that benched him, how many league goals did Benzema score?

This is not logical, Marking out one striker and marking out 2 others plus striker which one is easier to do?. If you have one arrow head who shoulders the bulk of the goal, then opponents will injure him or double team him, But if you have 3 potent players who can score when one is marked the others will score. Morata will score but[b] he will never score 30 goals a season [/b]

and the 2014/15 season you mentioned Costa. Costa missed 6 games in that time and Hazard delivered 2 goals in 6 games. 1 of those goals was from a penalty situation. Is that what you call deliver?

Never say never... Thought u support Morata now

Nihilstjnr:


Did you see what Morata did unmarked this Sunday?

Main Man went for the ball with that Liu Kang Dragon kick and balloned the ball through the window of Raheem Sterling's old council flat in Stonebridge...

So Morata has done the unseen right? Like Messi never ballooned a chance unmarked? What is the real point here?

In another argument, I am sure you will be arguing that Morata did not expect that the last Arsenal defender wouldn't touch that ball.
I am surprised no one has talked about this as a possibility. The shock is not that he ballooned the chance. For me, the shock was that the ball reached him. No one in that position would have thought it.


I cannot help but wonder what the consistent criticism of Morata is about, without a decent sample of empirical/visual evidence of him being crap, in a Chelsea shirt.

Can someone please help with coming up with a new way of saying "Why the phuck can we not give him a chance......a decent run at the very least, before we start slaughtering him?"


Jeez!