nateevs:



This cannot be right. You mean to say that Conte did not "ship" Matic out?
We are not having this.

nateevs:



This cannot be right. You mean to say that Conte did not "ship" Matic out?
We are not having this.

Vanquay:
What does Omo alata mean,
My Yoruba isn't the best but all I get is Child?

Bimffo:


Ah.

No offence bro.

But is this why they call you Hen's brain? Because I dey confuse here o.

Once again, No offence.

Ibime:


That's the nonsense Nihilist has been peddling, just like peddling nonsense that Conte shipped Ake out.

funlord:




Na only for this una thread we go fit read this kind of rubbish! Hensben lie say you no dey smoke high grade kusha Kane? Lie make I see!

hensben:
I am talking about the good English players not just random ones.

hensben:
I am talking about the good English players not just random ones.

Nihilist:


My friend pipe down there. Matic that didn't even go on pre-season is the one Conte is surprised to see go?

Ake had no future under Conte. How many times did Conte play him?

Nihilist:


My friend pipe down there. Matic that didn't even go on pre-season is the one Conte is surprised to see go?

Ake had no future under Conte. How many times did Conte play him?

Ibime:


Conte just told you from his own lips that it was his plan for Matic to remain first choice and Bakayoko to learn EPL under him.

I've been telling you guys all summer that Matic was not chased out by anybody. Matic refused to sign new contract and the club made a financial decision to cash in on a 29 year old than let him run down his two years. The thing dey vex Conte die.

Just like I said no one chased out Chalobah and Ake. Those boys just want to play guaranteed every week. Conte would happily keep them around. He was the one that gave Chalobah a place and recalled Ake from loan.

As for Drinkwater that can't make England squad that lacks midfielders, I would rather keep a younger Dutch International, more technically refined player than subscribe to any foolishness that makes Danny Drinkbleach a better decision than keeping Ake. We are only chasing Danny Drinkbleach now because Conte made a miscalculation that the club would keep Matic. Now he is throwing his toys out of the pram, looking for any midfielder cos we are light in that area. Imagine Fabregas who is unsuited to that position and an injured Bakayoko as your only midfield options to partner Kante. That is a desperate situation. Someone should speak to him about deploying Luiz there rather than asking for Drinkbleach.

Nihilist:


My friend pipe down there. Matic that didn't even go on pre-season is the one Conte is surprised to see go?

Ake had no future under Conte. How many times did Conte play him?

Ibime:


That's the nonsense Nihilist has been peddling, just like peddling nonsense that Conte shipped Ake out.

Griffon:


No good English player is better than the goodies rest of Europe, South-America and Africa has got to offer.

So be humble and sit down Prince Charles.

BlueAngel444:


Ake did say he left for more playing time in response to Conte saying this players including chaloab are impatient. That means they turned down their contract offers like solanke.

Griffon:
"When a player leaves a club, you do not normally see a manager speak so glowingly about them.

Usually they would say it is time for them to leave, it was the right move for both parties.

There is very rarely such big transfers between champions to clubs that are challenging them and it is a strange move.

"And I have no doubt that he has not sanctioned that move, he is not happy with it and ultimately he is uncomfortable with it.
"I have to say that it is a strange move, it really is, to sell to one of your main rivals. Sometimes transfers can get forced through. Maybe he was behind the scenes, but it did not seem he was publicly."

- Neville on Matic move to Manyoo

.........

I wanted to gulp down a bottle of whiskey the day this move happened, I really wanted to.

pamcode:
it means the Child who sells pepper.

nateevs:


The guys are trying to say that there may be some sort of confusion on your part, with the terms HomeGrown/Association Trained players and English players.

And they are right. Because technically, we do not need English players for any reason other than the HG/AT quota. Except according to the ruling, you don't have to be English to be HG/AT. You just need to have either been with your parent club for 3 straight seasons, before your 21st birthday to be HG; or have played for 3 straight seasons in the English league before your 21st birthday, to be AT.

Ibime:


Ake had 2 years on his contract. If you keep him around for one more year and he doesn't extend his contract, you will be selling him for Chalobah money (£6m) by this time next year, so no matter what you think of such a player, the best option is to let him leave with buyback clause.

This is why the club now signs 4 to 5 years contract with players before sending them out on loan. If they return with only 2 years left on contract, they can call the shots. Same way Traore forced a move because he only had 2 years when he returned from Ajax.

The reason Zouma, MVG, Kalas and Mario Pasalic signed long term contracts before going out on loan is that you want a player returning from loan with 3 years left on his contract. That gives you a year to blend him in, and if he doesn't work out, you can still sell him the next year with 2 years on his contract so he keeps his value. If a player returns from loan with only 2 years on his contract, he can force you to either guarantee him first team shirt or sell him straightaway. And even if you guarantee him first team shirt, there is no guarantee that he will sign new contract.

These are the calculations that go into whether these players like Ake/Chalobah etc are sold or not. If they are sold with buyback clause, just know the club is selling them reluctantly.

nateevs:


The guys are trying to say that there may be some sort of confusion on your part, with the terms HomeGrown/Association Trained players and English players.

And they are right. Because technically, we do not need English players for any reason other than the HG/AT quota. Except according to the ruling, you don't have to be English to be HG/AT. You just need to have either been with your parent club for 3 straight seasons, before your 21st birthday to be HG; or have played for 3 straight seasons in the English league before your 21st birthday, to be AT.

Segadem:
...so how many HG/AT player is required in a team?

Ibime:


Ake had 2 years on his contract. If you keep him around for one more year and he doesn't extend his contract, you will be selling him for Chalobah money (£6m) by this time next year, so no matter what you think of such a player, the best option is to let him leave with buyback clause.

It is a short career, I'm 22 now and I feel like I have had a good experience playing games and you just want to continue doing that," Ake said.

"I understand what [Conte] said but I think we also know that Chelsea is a big club and for myself it was going to be difficult to come in and play straight away."


"The decision to come here [Bournemouth] was to be able to play more games which is important for me and that is why I came here," Ake added.

"There are no guarantees that I will play coming here but if I train hard and play well then I will have a chance."

‘Sometimes I think the young players lose their patience very quickly,’
‘A lot of the time because of parents or the people around them. I think the advisers aren’t right.
‘The first thing they should have is good patience. Trust the club. Then work very hard to know that to play at this level you must be stronger – and very good.
‘Sometimes, young players think they can play easily in the first team, but that’s not true. I have to pick 11 players. Not only me, every coach.’

‘I think, honestly, at this moment there is a great difference between the two players,’ Conte said.
‘You are talking about one player who has played with Monaco, who has maybe 100 appearances for that club.
‘He has played in the Champions League and has played regularly.
‘Try to understand the difference before you judge. People who do, do not understand the difference.’

spartacus11:
All hail Isaac Makwala wow against all odds

BlueAngel444:

@least 8

Nihilist:


Ake went away to go and learn his trade at central midfield. He is not a leftback.

Nathan Ake: "I can play in different positions. I like to get on the ball defensively play hard, with tackles and things like that,"

"I think I am a holding midfielder, when I came to Chelsea I played as a centre back but then was told I was too small. So I changed to left back and then to midfield, I’ve been going around in circles! But last year I played left back, although my preferred position is holding midfield."

Eddie Howe(Bournmouth Manager): "He was used predominantly at left-back by Watford and also played for them at centre-back. His favoured position is as a central midfielder."

Nathan Ake on Conte: "To get an eye on how I cope, I think he[Conte] wants to see me play a season there[Midfield] in the Premier League," Ake said.

"The manager has been in discussions with the technical director (Michael Emenalo) at Chelsea. After this season, we'll see how I get on,

.

Ake can play as a central defender – in the middle or on the left – or he could play as a wing-back,’ said Conte.
‘It’s important now to work with us.
‘In these days I tried Ake as a central defender [in training’. It’s important for me to have a bit of time with him to know him better.’

Ibime:
Stewpidity is selling Ake for £20m, then chasing Drinkwater for £30m.

Nihilist:


But why would he stay around for 1 more year, and not renew his contract [size=18pt]if[/size] he is guaranteed first team minutes?

The reason Ake has to go is simple - He knew He would NEVER get those first team minutes.

Hear him:



But what did Conte say, that Ake was 'understanding'?




To further emphasise this, let's hear what Conte had to say about the likes of Chalobah in comparison to Bakayoko


That last sentence in my opinion was aimed at Bigkesh


In anycase, the story is simple.

Conte has now revealed that he Bakayoko was to understudy Matic. He also revealed that Bakayoko was preferred to Chalobah. That alone tells you that the Manager had no use for the likes of Chalobah, because there are 2 midfield spots, and there would have been Kante, Fab, Bakayoko, and Matic ALL ahead of Nathan C.

And we haven't even mentioned Ake as a midfield option yet