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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 6:32pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana:From the study of the Bible you don't know that the "end times" is one thing, "rapture" is another thing. Oga learn to reason wella biko!!!!!! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Nobody: 6:44pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
I wont dispute the article cos I'm an insider. More than 10 yrs after her marriage my cousin is still shunned by her family members for marrying against the faith. D worst part is the father accepted a gift from her yrs back after she has begged and begged but she recently discovered he didn't use it.said he will use it if she comes back to the faith. Mum managed to forgive b4 her death. One of her brother did wedding close to her house and called to specifically tell her not to show face bc brethren will be there. They treat her like an outcast. Even though she is married with her own family yet no respect and she us d most senior. I hate religion. It is killing and breeding hatred more than love What religion has done to humanity. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 6:57pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana:mikeolu1, you see yourself? These are your subjects show them the way. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by 701ecilana: 7:28pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
achorladey:When you are ready for a discussion drop rudeness then i will take you serious. For now, i gat no time lowliness. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 7:37pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana:Go and learn how to reason, ''afterlife'' is one kettle of fish, ''supernatural'' another kettle of fish, ''God'' another kettle of fish. jw.org is available consult it. If you are not tired consulting those websites that feeds on jw.org to feed there logical reasoning, going to jw.org should not be difficult. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 7:56pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana:I think you are the confuse fellow here . But for peace to reign i will write this post off . |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 8:02pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1: You are still among them yet telling others not to come in . In other words, you are an enemy of progress , If there is nothing you are still enjoying there. YOU WON'T HAVE STAYED NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCE . So what you call important is not the important thing. You have a misplaced priority. answer my question : are you now planning to just join the league and drop religion all together or You still want to join another church ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 8:10pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: a person can hallucinate and call it vision, Many of such among religious people. BUT ITS AN ESTABLISHED FACT even in your own bible that a vision is not REAL . ! if u dont know ask question and I will show you the verse am discussing reality here , Next time you asked to give a proof dont present such . |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by mikeolu1: 8:18pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
achorladey: The Jehovah’s Witnesses in scholarly perspective: What's new in the scientific study of Jehovean movement? This is from the university of Oslo. You can find the abstract of this academic research here https://philbarbey.jimdo.com/jws-rolf-furuli/
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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 8:30pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:The studies of Rylander (1946), Pescor (1949), von Janner (1963), and Spencer (1975) of the mental health of JW are old, and they have several methodological weaknesses. Therefore, none of these studies can tell anything about the mental health of JW today. Even the latest research will become old like the the researcher of this latest findings typed in his abstract. I rather make research on the bible more than on a research material you don't know someone else has proven or worked on to be incorrect. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 8:37pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana: Sorry about that, Its a known fact that Many Christians belive good people go to heaven when they die .
Hades is translated GRAVE in many bible . you mean they are in the grave ? ok
Wait but Hades is translated Grave , do you agree ?
Even shadeyinka ran away when he saw the correct analysis of this verse the portion said Jesus was made ALIVE from the dead before he went to preach. DID I LIE ? and general knowledge shows he wasn't made Alive until three days after his death. So he didnt do that when he was still dead . - The said Spirit are those who disobeyed in Noah's day . In your bible angels are reffered to as Spirit . Learn
Hades is Grave then , agree ?
LIAR! the text never said Hades is divided into two compartments. Must you lie ?
Notice the bolded words, Do people go to Hades with human bodies ? REsPOND .
Rapture must be lying then, Jesus you mentioned died and Resurrect before GETTING the glorious body, How come you Guy's aren't gonna die before getting yours ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 8:37pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:I forgot to add this: This research will have its own methodological weaknesses as well. What do think? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by 701ecilana: 8:44pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:First you called me a liar. I don't think i'd want to engage in this anymore. If you disagree you state your reasons why you take that stand. It's rude to call someone you are having a discussion with a liar. Take back your statement, then we can go on. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 8:47pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Psalm 115 vs 17 . the DEAD do not praise the Lord . it didn't say carcass , False teacher . its either you are alive or dead . . ---- Why not explain the true meaning of Abraham Bosom ? are u scared ? ----- Why not accept that Yeshua didn't preach when he was dead like you want us to belive, but after he was made ALIVE . not dead anymore ---- Why not explain the spirit in prison that are specifically those who are disobedient in Noah's day ? dont forget you yourself have admit angels are SPIRIT beings , so I don't know why you find it hard to accept spirit in that place refer to angels and not humans ------ |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 8:50pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
701ecilana: take back my statement, why ? is it not true that The verse never said Hades is divided into two compartments . So if you say otherwise, isn't that a Lie ? Prove you ain't lying by showing me where it says Hades is divided into two compartments. the onus is on you to prove your innocence and if genuine I will retract . Prove first !!!! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by 701ecilana: 9:06pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:Okay, good bye. I don't indulge urchins. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by shadeyinka(m): 9:56pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:What a confused soul. SMH! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by shadeyinka(m): 9:56pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:What a confused soul. SMH |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by shadeyinka(m): 9:56pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
Peacefullove:What a confused soul. SMH! |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by mikeolu1: 10:05pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
achorladey:I'll better have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question. If the gb don't have an answer to a bible question or prophecy, it's better they come out and say that. People will respect them a lot more than changing their interpretations sometimes several times and calling the new interpretation "new light". That's crappie So this people asking questions are better than many jw who think they know and then have what they claimed to know changed in few years. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by mikeolu1: 10:27pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
This book is a must read. It succinctly explained issues of mental illness among rank and file of jw. https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467897871&sr=8-1&keywords=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses+mental+illness |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 10:54pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:Typical comment from an agnostics. Popular quotes they love using. Cross reference this with what is recorded in Matthew 7:7. Will it hold? Don't be afraid to seek satisfying answers to your questions. Even christ disciples ask numerous questions and not all of the questions were they able to assimilate the answers Jesus gave them. Don't put bias into them all in the name of your friend(Hairyrapunzel) calling it ''creating awareness''. Allow others to have as much knowledge as you have before putting bias in their mindset. It's the least you can do for such ones. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 11:31pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:A society should never become like a pond with stagnant water, without movement. The JWs is an organisation that keeps moving. New interpretation or new interpretation changing to new light it all points to an organisation that will not remain stagnant. Question or no question, answer or no answer. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 11:45pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:I went and looked up Dr. Bergman creditably. Although he has done a lot in the psychology field he is unqualified to write this book. It is said he was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses but his bio on other pages says his mother became a Witness and he was raised by an Atheist father. It says he chose to become an Atheist like his father. This would make him not a creditable line of information on Witnesses as a group. All people all over the world have mental illness. Any good psychologist will tell you that no one group that causes the problems all on their own. This is because each family is different and parents are very imperfect. As a Psychologist who has true experience with Jehovah's Witnesses what these people are calling mental illness is also know to people as unselfishness. It is true they hold themselves to a high standard. But I ask you is it not the cheating, lying, and murder that we consider bad and illness in the world? In every group around the world there are people who are mentally ill. One group is not worse or better then another. It would appear that this so called doctor is just taking a personal view or vendetta a bit to far. To be a good psychologist you must remain objective and he seems to long since lost his objectivity. I noticed a least one of the reviews that says it is a good book is someone plugging her own anti Witness book. Although most of the reviews call this book what it is. A man with a personal problem that got someone to publish it for him. Oh the love of the First amendment and abuse there of. - This is a great piece religious and psychological nonsense August 31, 2002 by M.S. (Clintondale, New York United States) I love to read, and I am very open minded about very many subjects including the one of religion. I ran across this book at my library and it seemed insteresting. Thats where the interesting part ends. This person is obviously carrying on some vendetta against this religious organization. It is truly sad that anyone is responsibly allowing this author to print this sloppy redundant psychological piece of work if you can call it that. The only redeeming quality to this book is that it allowed me a chance to catch up with my sleep. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by achorladey: 11:48pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
mikeolu1:The signs of the times are here. Take heed. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by mikeolu1: 1:20am On Aug 14, 2017 |
achorladey: In my one lifetime the interpretation of Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” has been changed 6 times. Every new gb has its own new interpretation. David Splane explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generatiois explanation of this scripture. In Jehovah's witnesses land, that's called "present truth"
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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by mikeolu1: 4:33am On Aug 14, 2017 |
achorladey: Have you ever seen the governing body (GB) quote Det 18: 22? You read what it says and ask yourself why the watchtower don't use that scripture Det 18:22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’ |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Hairyrapunzel: 7:16am On Aug 14, 2017 |
achorladey: You are a deceitful person. There is a difference between followers not being able to assimilate and followers not being able to ask questions about doctrines. Stop making it look like he has a problem with assimilation when you and I know he can't ask questions that are contrary to their doctrines without being punished for it A person has the right to know the advantages and disadvantages of joining any religion. You shouldn't shove man made non biblical doctrines down your followers throat |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 7:30am On Aug 14, 2017 |
shadeyinka: 701ecilanaThey ran away 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 7:33am On Aug 14, 2017 |
mikeolu1:am interested in this. Yeshua make that statement, since you know the explanation . why not explain ? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by Peacefullove: 7:43am On Aug 14, 2017 |
don't just be a noisemaker, Respond to counter posts mikeolu1:
cc Mikeolu1 . 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Suicide Rate 5 To 10 Times Above Average by soonest(f): 8:39am On Aug 14, 2017 |
Why stay in a society you are not comfortable in for fear of disfellowship. How does this disfellowship thing work? All your family members cant shun you now. At least some friends can still stay by your side or Is that JW members dont make friends with non JW people? 1 Like |
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