AlBaqir:
^^^

# You are right in the Yoruba Polytheist belief system/thinking but that never speak for definition of the word with other people's idea.

# Just like Arabian polytheists, Yoruba polytheists believe in Supreme God who created everything. However they have attributes for Him quite different from other's beliefs.

# Since we speak Yoruba language, our understanding of God different from polytheism understanding made us reject some of their attributes for "Supreme God" while we submit our attributes for Him within the same Yoruba word for God.


# God has many names and attributes anyone can sit, understand and "formulate" a word for it. All words in every language for God were "formulated" based on this.

tintingz:
Olohun and Allah or Yahweh are not the same, everything about them are totally different.

Yoruba religion worship Olohun which is the supreme God of their ancestors, Bishop Ajayi Crowder decided to hijacked the name Olorun/Olohun as Yahweh the Jewish God when he translated the bible into Yoruba language and Muslims also follow suit.

To the abrahamic religious people in Yoruba land, Olorun is now subtitled as Yahweh and Allah but that will never made them the same except you wanna agree ile Ife was where creation started and Obatala is Olorun second son.

Yoruba Christians and muslims can use Olohun as their God native name, there is nothing wrong with it, since that's the only language they can use for their God.

Yahweh is a Canaanite/Israelite heavenly warrior god a pagan god(God of war), El was the chief God of all Gods in Israel, the Israelites decided to use Yahweh for their supreme God since he fought heavenly battle for them and abandon other gods , the bible writers now use both Yahweh and El as the same.

Allah is also among the Arabian gods(quraysh tribe), he was later decleared the supreme God of all Gods.

My point, personal Gods are tribal invention, many people don't even know all these Gods are different from where they were originated.

AlBaqir:


# Both Polytheist and Monotheist believe in One Supreme God, who created the heavens and the earths, and whatever is in between them. Based on this, all of them recognised the existence of God although other attributes and beliefs are differ. It is in this sense that name is agreed upon.

# The rest is unnecessary story. I personally prefer using Oluwa and Olodumare because of their rich meaning. Who first brought the name or other particular belief attached to it is very irrelevant.

# Looking in depth, Christian "God" is different from Muslim's "God" in various attributes attached to those "God". However, both have one thing in common in the belief of both religion - Supreme Being who created everything. So, you should expect such similarity and differences between polytheists and Monotheists also.

tintingz:
You might be somehow right here but you are wrong along the way.

First of all you should know that all tribes in the world were all polytheist before people started deviating from beliefs.

Yes, polytheism and monotheism have a supreme deity but not all these supreme deities are creator. Eg in Greek beliefs, Zeus is a supreme God the king of Olympus but not the creator, Prometheus is the creator, Zeus even has parents and siblings like Poseidon, Hades, Hera to name the few. Zeus and Prometheus are even enemies.

In Yoruba beliefs, Olorun is the supreme God, the king of heaven but not the creator, Obatala his second son is the creator, although Olorun is the life giver.

In Israel, El is the supreme God of Canaanite religion not Yahweh, they are different, Yahweh is just a god of war.

In a nutshell, not all supreme God are creators, supreme Gods in polytheism religions have parents, wives and children.

Yes ofcos, you can use their names but bear in mind that the original characteristics nature of these Gods are not the same as your God.

Well I've respond to this above.

Raintaker:


Now forget about Prometheus and Zeus, let's come back to the matter of Discourse.

What do you understand about the Yoruba Olohun?

What do you understand about the Yoruba Traditional religion?

Can you explain the concept of Yoruba Traditional belief?

tintingz:
Olorun is a supreme God, the ruler of heaven(oni orun) and he's the life giver.

The supreme God in Yoruba religion have three manifestation, Eledumare : Creator, Olorun : Ruler of heavens and Olofi: the conduit between heaven and earth.


I don't really know much about Yoruba beliefs, what I know is they believe in orishas who are the sources from Olorun.

There is nothing like hell in Yoruba religion, they believe in reincarnation and karma.

They don't believe in Adam and Eve story, ile Ife is where creation started.

Raintaker:
What do you understand by the word supreme?
And in what way is it unconnected to Allah?

tintingz:
Supreme : Superior to all others.

And you asked, in what way is unconnected to Allah? Lol.. People make their Gods to be supreme.

There are over thousands supreme Gods in every beliefs and Allah is just one them.

I can make unicorn a supreme God, you shouldn't have problem with it.

Demmzy15:
The world was monotheistic but then people began to deviate and thus many fell into polytheism! Not the other way round.

tintingz:
Show me a single tribe that started as monotheistic in belief in history.

Albaqir, do you agree with this?

Raintaker:
How many supreme Gods are in Islam and How many are in the Yoruba religion, this is what we are discussing for now.

We can talk about other beliefs in other threads.

tintingz:
Show me a single tribe that started as monotheistic in belief in history.

Albaqir, do you agree with this?

Raintaker:
Show me a single tribe that didn't start with monotheism and write out their pattern of thoughts over the centuries.

tintingz:
What sort of question is this?

Islam is monotheistic religion, so ofcos they have one supreme God. Some polytheistic religion believe in a supreme deity along side other deities. Your question should be do Arabs during pre-islamic era were monotheistic? The answer is NO.

In Yoruba belief the supreme God is three in one (Eledumare, Olorun and Olofi) just like the Christian trinity God head.

tintingz:
No tribe started with monotheism and not all tribe today are monotheistic.

Demmzy15:
I'll state with references and that's it, I'm not in for any futile baseless argument.

#1 The central America Mayans believe in One God who created everything, whom they call ‘Itzamna'
John Hinnels, Dictionary of Religions (Penguin Books: 1884), p. 93.

#2 The Mende peoples of Sierra Leone in West Africa believe in One God who created the universe and spirits who they call ‘Ngewo'
The same book page: 210

#3 3 in the ancient Babylon the main deity of the city, ‘Marduk,’ was seen as the Supreme God.
The same book, page: 204

#4 In Hinduism, ‘Brahman’ is the impersonal Eternal Absolute One God having no beginning and no end.
The same book, page: 68

Even the Yoruba religion pointed out several times tends to point to this direction.

Stephen Langdon of Oxford. Langdon took the view that the Sumerians were the oldest historic civilisation and noted:

“In my opinion the history of the oldest civilisation of man is a rapid decline from monotheism to extreme polytheism and widespread belief in spirits. It is in a very true sense the history the fall of man.”

Stephen H. Langdon, “Mythology of all Races,” in Semitic Mythology Journal (Vol. 5, Archaeological Institute of America: 1931), p. xviii/p.18.

There are evidences of even Hindu and Chinese religion of being initially monotheistic, but everything changed due to the actions of men and blind following.

**drops mic**

Raintaker:
I knew what I asked you and my question was right, we are discussing the relationship between Allah and the Yoruba Olohun here.



Actually you have no idea what you are talking about, d wikipedia article you quoted about Oluhn being 3 in 1 manifestation is balderdash(It seems you are not even Yoruba or a Yoruba that doesn't even understand d tenets if his culture.

There is only one supreme being in the Yoruba religion and it is Olohun all other names such as Olodumare and co are mere attributes(there is nothing like Eledumare;it is Olodumare)and the break down of the name has some meaning.


You keep talking out of points and arguing about what you don't know.



This is what I know and I'm very sure of.

Raintaker:
No tribe started with monotheism you say.

How did you think the first man reacted when he first discovered he could breathe, he could walk, he saw d sun.
e.t.c

Man is wired to believe in a superior being, this is the basic nature of man.
If man can't handle d basic pressure of life, it gives him confidence and a kind of joy reverting his matters to the superior being.

tintingz:
Ofcos Yoruba believe in one supreme God which is in three form. And does that make Yoruba traditional religion monotheism? Yoruba traditionalists believe in gods, orishas.

Olodumare is the same as Eledumare, even wizkid sang a song Eledumare.

tintingz:
The first men were ignorant and thinks entities were behind everything, they started ascribing the sun to be god, the moon to be god, the air to be god, nature to be god, trees to be god, heroes to gods etc that's how gods were created and beliefs are polytheistic.

Men were ignorant, they can't explain many things, so they turn phenomenal event into gods with myth stories. You should ask yourself why god character is different in all tribe, the mythology stories are different and base on their culture. You should ask yourself why these mythical stories that happened in ancient days don't occur in this technology, scientific age?

Believing in god is the nature of ancient ignorant men not ascribe to all men in this age.

Raintaker:
Now I can see you are not serious.
Wizkid sang Eledumare;Is wizkid not a kid like u and many others?
I am telling you the Yoruba supreme being is Olodumare and Eledumare is just a corrupted version(it shows you've been reading wikipedia articles which are just mere opinions and are subjected to mistake).

Since you've agreed the Yoruba supreme God is Olohun and the Yoruba Islamic adherents choose to refer to Allah as Olohun in Yoruba.
You can see it makes no difference, you've been running around in circles with wikipedia opinions.

tintingz:
Lol, this is not only Wikipedia thing. People say Eledumare, you are the first person I heard it is a corrupt version, are you the one that corrupt it?

You said there is nothing like Eledumare, I mention wizkid songs "Eledumare" to show you people make use of it.

Eledumare is even shorten to "Edumare".

So anybody that said Eledumare is a kid, smh, it shows the level of your brain is low.


You must be very stupid for saying this, You do not know and I am trying to educate you.



A Yoruba Muslim can use Olorun for Allah since that's his language but originally Olorun and Allah are not the same, Allah is an Arabian traditional God while Olorun is yoruba traditional God.


It's either you are intentionally stupid for saying this or you are ignorant.
Originally Olohun and Allah are not d same Allah is Arabaian traditional God?
How much more stupid can you be?

This shows that you do not even know anything about
And point of correction it is Olohun and not Olorun(I've be using Olohun throughout my posts) and you keep using Olohun, it means you are intentionally daft.


If you still argue Olorun is the same as Allah, then you are accepting Allah has children and he didn't create Adam and Eve but started his creation in ile ife with chicken, corn, sand.

So. because Okuta for stone is Yoruba. then the Okwute which is also for stone in Igbo is different?

Are u sure you are alright at all?
This is not Wikipedia opinion, it is Yoruba traditional belief(go do your research) Wikipedia don't post opinions but compilation of books, articles with references, were you not thought Yoruba in school? If you have problem with Wikipedia I can provide you evidence from another sites

Raintaker:
I don't really want to say this, but you seem very slow.
The early men were ignorant?
I laugh at you in Chinese.
You are so so so wrong.
The most knowledgeable men have been lost to history.

The earliest men had contact with God and they passed on the knowledge to their offsprings
As normal in oral traditions, there are always meant to be inclusion and omission.
This is why d prophets were sent, to correct these wrong notions.
Despite that some ppl still go off d grid, and some stayed in line.

Raintaker:



You must be very stupid for saying this, You do not know and I am trying to educate you.

It's either you are intentionally stupid for saying this or you are ignorant.
Originally Olohun and Allah are not d same Allah is Arabaian traditional God?
How much more stupid can you be?

This shows that you do not even know anything about
And point of correction it is Olohun and not Olorun(I've be using Olohun throughout my posts) and you keep using Olohun, it means you are intentionally daft.

So. because Okuta for stone is Yoruba. then the Okwute which is also for stone in Igbo is different?

Are u sure you are alright at all?

Are u really stupid or just playing dumb?
Wikipedia doesn't post opinions?
If you have an account with wikipedia, you can edit things as much as you like on d website.

I am a full blooded Yoruba, a student of nature an everyday learner of d language.

That shows I am more qualified to discuss this topic than you.

AlBaqir:



# Òpònú afofun gbemu ni e. Inú e tunwa bu oori oorun sa. Well, I can't blame your master Jabata because he's not a Yoruba man. He's a Fulani. So it beat my heart if fools like you (Yoruba) get fooled. Obviously you know nothing of your heritage.



# The word OLÚWA is derived from two words: Olú (i.e Owner) and Wa (Our, We). It simply means Eni ti oni gbogbo wa.


# The word Olú (owner) is also used in this unique word, " OLÓDÙMARÈ". That is Olú-odù-marè, and when àrànmó/ìsúnkì (fusion) happens to the word, then we have have "OLÓDÙMARÈ".

* OLÚ: means Owner

* ODÙ: means Unique

* MARÈ: means Unquantifiable Vast(ness) (waasi in Arabic).

This simply means, " Owner of unique unquantifiable vastness"


# The OP quoting a Dr. has beautifully explain the word "Olohun".


# Qur'an has uniquely shut the door on ignorant and confused people like you when it says:

" Say: Call (upon) 'Allah, or (say) Ar-Rahman, from whichever names/attributes you call upon Him, He has the most beautiful names/attributes..."


# "Allah" is an Arabic word for God, just like "God" is an English word for Allah. Every tongue (language) has unique word(s) for God, the Creator of the entire universe. Every Prophet sent to each nation, group or community only speaks language of that community. Of all the Prophets known, how many spoke Arabic language? Perhaps 5. All others spoke languages different from Arabic language. Meaning that none of them used the word "Allah" since its not their language. If Hazrat Nabi Muhammad was a Yoruba man, obviously, he will use Yoruba language to communicate.


# OP, thumps up for that topic.

DeathStroke007:
Laugh rolling on the floor . . .LAUGHING HYSTERICALLY . . . YEEPA. . WAHALA WA O. . instead for the alfa to answer question by brining proof from quran and hadith, he go bring proof from yoruba language. . and some gullible people still follow his fatwa. . ehn. .when did sharaf become like this o o o. .chai. . ehn aw0n wo gaan ni alfa n pe ni keferi o. . awon wo ni takfiri . . . no be so sharaf divide bidia using syllable? laughing . .and dem still follow his fatwa . . . . .M0ST PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY DULL. .RMP p

Empiree:
Abuheekmat

Abuheekmat:



What's the problem

Empiree:
Deathstroke

Abuheekmat:



Yes.. So what

Empiree:
indicating you have been an idiot for long