sinizia:


Like the number of great players that the clubs have churned out or had played for the clubs. The exploits of the clubs at the biggest stage outside their league. Arsenal have underwhelmed outside EPL.

English league is the most watched league and the richest too, and therefore you'll expect fans of top English clubs to be bigger than the rest of other leagues clubs.

That's why I think Arsenal is bigger than them currently, but if there's any legit club ranking based on past achievements or history, Inter would definitely top Assnal.

I can agree with that but Dortmund? hell no

dopeJemi:


lparading world class players doesn't make you bigger, currently man city and Chelsea boasts of more world class players than man untied but they know their mates. by the way, how have Dortmund paraded more world class players than arsenal?

Aston Villa, Nottingham forest, Ajax are champions league winners

we are not seriously using stadium size as a yardstick to judge who is bigger, are we? man city have a bigger stadium than Bayern Munich, we know who the bosses are between the two

over all trophies won, arsenal tops them
fan base, arsenal tops them
wealth, arsenal tops them

But don't you think you'll rate Man City and Chelshit bigger than even AC Milan and Inter, CURRENTLY?

sinizia:


But don't you think you'll rate Man City and Chelshit bigger than even AC Milan and Inter, CURRENTLY?

no, better? yes but bigger, No

will you rate PSG above man united? they have more world class players than us

dopeJemi:


I can agree with that but Dortmund? hell no

I don't agree with Dortmund at all too, that's why I focused on Inter alone. Arsenal is above Dortmund's level.

sinizia:


But don't you think you'll rate Man City and Chelshit bigger than even AC Milan and Inter, CURRENTLY?

Chelsea and mancity r never bigger than ac Milan or inter. Chelsea have somewhat arrived at that stage but mancity is yet to.

domination at a continental level is a major recipe to become a big club. without it, forget it...u r just a wannabe

lekkie073:
arsenal has no prestige when it comes to world football. and when we r talking world football in relation to clubs, we r talking UCL, forget FIFA world club cup bull crap.

any european team that has never won d UCL , no matter its wealth or fan base is just a wannabe big club. for u to be among the so called big clubs, u must rank with them in terms of everything. money, fan base, trophies won(not numbers but the quality of the trophy). arsenal mancity and PSG r big clubs wannabe while ajax and inter can be termed big clubs

alright

dopeJemi:


no, better? yes but bigger, No

So you think CURRENTLY the best talents/players will turn down Chelsea/Man City for Inter more than they would for Chelsea/Man City? I don't quite agree.


Currently, City have more chances of getting top talents than Inter. Inter are no longer what they used to be.

lekkie073:
Chelsea and mancity r never bigger than ac Milan or inter. Chelsea have somewhat arrived at that stage but mancity is yet to.

domination at a continental level is a major recipe to become a big club. without it, forget it...u r just a wannabe

I agree with the emboldened, but like I pointed out, judging only on current happenings, I can't even remember seeing both Inter and AC Milan in the UCL. They've been struggling for years now, especially Inter since Mourinho left them.


But if it's based on the total package, then Chelshit or Man City no near them at all.

sinizia:


So you think CURRENTLY the best talents/players will turn down Chelsea/Man City for Inter more than they would for Chelsea/Man City? I don't quite agree.


Currently, City have more chances of getting top talents than Inter. Inter are no longer what they used to be.

will you rate PSG ahead of man united? they have more world class players than man untied? they just signed neymar

dopeJemi:


will you rate PSG ahead of man united? they have more world class players than man untied? they just signed neymar

No, I wouldn't. But you know United can afford to buy Neymar, and that's not possible in Inter/AC Milan's case. Chelsea and City are far more richer than them can easily outprice them when it comes to competing for any player. That's the difference. Most Players these days think about money first before any other thing.

sinizia:


No, I wouldn't. But you know United can afford to buy Neymar, and that's not possible in Inter/AC Milan's case. Chelsea and City are far more richer than them can easily outprice them when it comes to competing for any player. That's the difference. Most Players these days think about money first before any other thing.

money wise, I agree with your assertion

dopeJemi:


money wise, I agree with your assertion

Money makes the world go round. Without it, PSG couldn't have had the balls to even inquire about Neymar talk more of buying him.

dopeJemi:



we are not seriously using stadium size as a yardstick to judge who is bigger, are we?

over all trophies won, arsenal tops them
fan base, arsenal tops them
wealth, arsenal tops them

Bigger stadium leads to more high profile occasions being hosted there, more match day tickets sold, more revenue and more fan participation / club merchandise sold due to rising attendance figures....your stadia matters in football! It is your identity! Inter's San siro is the largest in Italian football. Inter is the second-most supported team in Italy, and the 6th most-supported team in Europe and is one of the most valuable clubs in world football....( I've already said dortmund is marginally smaller than the gayners..leave them to go and buy us sweets)




Now as for titles...Inter has 18 league titles and 3 champions leagues, 3 uefa cups and one fifa club world cup..( notice I left out all those coppa italia or their own version of the community shield or league or fa cups which arsenal use in padding their numbers?)

Arsenal has 13 league titles and 0 European trophies (albeit only one uefa cup winners cup?)

Let's take a census of mostly world class players from both teams since 1992 till date:

1 Inter: Julio Cesar, ronaldo de lima, Alvaro recoba, Adriano, christian vieri, obafemi martins, pirlo, cannavaro, Lucio, baggio, Dennis bergkamp, crespo, Samuel etoo, Zanetti, bergomi, cordoba, cambiasso, Walter Samuel, Dejan stankovic, chivu, yuri djorkaeff, Luis figo, zlatan, klinsmann, maicon, maxwell, nagamoto..Wesley sneijder, toldo, zamorano,




2 Arsenal: Tony Adams, martin keown, Viera, thierry Henry, Pires, kanu, seaman, fabregas,lungberg, van persie, sanchez, sol Campbell, Lee dixon, Ian wright, mark overmars, Ashley cole, emmanuel petit, Gilberto silva, Lehmann, toure, Lauren, ozil, koscielny, Sagna, carzola.....



Based on all this in footballing terms who will you say is bigger? Who has paraded the more prestigious players? Who has won more important trophies and who generates more on every match day?

sinizia:


But don't you think you'll rate Man City and Chelshit bigger than even AC Milan and Inter, CURRENTLY?

NO.

The only bigger clubs than AC Milan is Barca Madrid, Man United and Bayern. Juventus is even debatable

did sombori just mention Nagatomo as a world class player?

Funlordmaniac:



Bigger stadium leads to more high profile occasions being hosted there, more match day tickets sold, more revenue and more fan participation / club merchandise sold due to rising attendance figures....your stadia matters in football! It is your identity! Inter's San siro is the largest in Italian football. Inter is the second-most supported team in Italy, and the 6th most-supported team in Europe and is one of the most valuable clubs in world football....( I've already said dortmund is marginally smaller than the gayners..leave them to go and buy us sweets)




Now as for titles...Inter has 18 league titles and 3 champions leagues, 3 uefa cups and one fifa club world cup..( notice I left out all those coppa italia or their own version of the community shield or league or fa cups which arsenal use in padding their numbers?)

Arsenal has 13 league titles and 0 European trophies (albeit only one uefa cup winners cup?)

Let's take a census of mostly world class players from both teams since 1992 till date:

1 Inter: Maldini, Julio Cesar, ronaldo de lima, Alvaro recoba, Adriano, christian vieri, obafemi martins, rui costa, pirlo, cannavaro, Lucio, baggio, Dennis bergkamp, crespo, Samuel etoo, Zanetti, bergomi, cordoba, cambiasso, Walter Samuel, Dejan stankovic, chivu, yuri djorkaeff, Luis figo, zlatan, klinsmann, maicon, maxwell, nagamoto..Wesley sneijder, toldo, zamorano,




2 Arsenal: Tony Adams, martin keown, Viera, thierry Henry, Pires, kanu, seaman, fabregas,lungberg, van persie, sanchez, sol Campbell, Lee dixon, Ian wright, mark overmars, Ashley cole, emmanuel petit, Gilberto silva, Lehmann, toure, Lauren, ozil, koscielny, Sagna, carzola.....



Based on all this in footballing terms who will you say is bigger? Who has paraded the more prestigious players? Who has won more important trophies and who generates more on every match day?

Where is Roberto Carlos for inter, I don't think Rui costa and Maldini played for inter.

Obafemi Martins, Kanu, Lauren, Gilberto Silva, kocsielny, Sagna, Martins Known,nagatomo and even Carzola are not world class

Lol, obafemi Martins

CapitalCee:


Where is Roberto Carlos for inter, I don't think Rui costa and Maldini played for inter.

Obafemi Martins, Kanu, Lauren, Gilberto Silva, kocsielny, Sagna, Martins Known,nagatomo and even Carzola are not world class

Roberto Carlos only spent one year in inter...he made his name at real madrid! Costa and maldini are Milan boys you don't expect me to remember every little detail without errors do you? The point was for him to check each teams standing in the history of the game and tell us who is bigger based on empirical evidence and not tv rights and community shield cloaks!

Kanu was not world class? Gilberto silva and koscielny are not class players? I hope you know some of their achievements in the game are world class hence why they are termed as such? Do you think going unbeaten in an entire season or winning world cups are not world class achievements?

Funlordmaniac:



Roberto Carlos only spent one year in inter...he made his name at real madrid! Costa and maldini are Milan boys you don't expect me to remember every little detail without errors do you? The point was for him to check each teams standing in the history of the game and tell us who is bigger based on empirical evidence and not tv rights and community shield cloaks!

Kanu was not world class? Gilberto silva and koscielny are not class players? I hope you know some of their achievements in the game are world class hence why they are termed as such? Do you think going unbeaten in an entire season or winning world cups are not world class achievements?

Only Kanu has a case based on winning African footballer of the year twice, UCL and Olympics as captain. But there is no point in Kanus career that he is among the top 5 striker in world.

Gilberto Silva is a very good player but not world class, kleberson won that same world cup, Mustafi, Arbeloa, Zacardo and krammer are some names of recent world cup winners. Again Pascal Cygan and Francis Jeffers are also part of that unbeaten team.

Kocsielny, while very good a Player is not in the class of Kompany, Ramos, Bonucci, Godin, and Thiago Silva. Kocsielny have never made it into FIFA or UEFA 30-40 man shortlist

CapitalCee:


Only Kanu has a case based on winning African footballer of the year twice, UCL and Olympics as captain. But there is no point in Kanus career that he is among the top 5 striker in world

Gilberto Silva is a very good player but not world class, kleberson won that same world cup, Mustafi, Arbeloa, Zacardo and krammer are some names of recent world cup winners. Again Pascal Cygan and Francis Jeffers are also part of that unbeaten team.

Kocsielny, while very good a Player is not in the class of Kompany, Ramos, Bonucci, Godin, and Thiago Silva. Kocsielny have never made it into FIFA or UEFA 30-40 man shortlist

If kanu was not classy why else would he win those awards? Or are they reserved for unclassy players? Why downplay his achievements? When he was at inter before he joined arsenal he was already highly rated! He was already a champions league and uefa cup winner before his heart issues!


We are not focusing on guys who were busy handing out lucozade and phones from the bench rather those that were integral parts of their squads or those that played significant parts in the success of every team they have ever played for! That is why you are seeing Gilberto, koscielny and Laurens names there and not those of cygan and jefferies!


How many arsenal players have ever made it into such provisional short lists? Can you compare the quality of players koscielny is playing with to those at real, city or Juve? A player can still be world class in an average team! Take Cantona at leeds or Matt le tissier at southampton or juninho at lyon! Anyway not every world class player must perform like ronaldo or messi....was Dennis bergkamp not world class? Was he ever amongst the 5 top strikers on the world which is the same criteria that you are now using to judge kanu? Or na color blindness?

CapitalCee:


Only Kanu has a case based on winning African footballer of the year twice, UCL and Olympics as captain. But there is no point in Kanus career that he is among the top 5 striker in world.

Gilberto Silva is a very good player but not world class, kleberson won that same world cup, Mustafi, Arbeloa, Zacardo and krammer are some names of recent world cup winners. Again Pascal Cygan and Francis Jeffers are also part of that unbeaten team.

Kocsielny, while very good a Player is not in the class of Kompany, Ramos, Bonucci, Godin, and Thiago Silva. Kocsielny have never made it into FIFA or UEFA 30-40 man shortlist

bros will you rate david beckham, okocha, jimmy floyd hasselbank, zola, harry kewell, mark viduka world class

Funlordmaniac:


If kanu was not classy why else would he win those awards? Or are they reserved for unclassy players? Why downplay his achievements? When he was at inter before he joined arsenal he was already highly rated! He was already a champions league and uefa cup winner before his heart issues!


We are not focusing on guys who were busy handing out lucozade and phones from the bench rather those that were integral parts of their squads or those that played significant parts in the success of every team they have ever played for! That is why you are seeing Gilberto, koscielny and Laurens names there and not those of cygan and jefferies!


How many arsenal players have ever made it into such provisional short lists? Can you compare the quality of players koscielny is playing with with those at real, city or Juve? A player can still be world class in an average team! Take Cantona at leeds or Matt le tissier at southampton or juninho at lyon! Anyway not every world class player must perform like ronaldo or messi....was Dennis bergkamp not world class? Was he ever amongst the 5 top strikers on the world which is the same criteria that you are now using to judge kanu? Or na color blindness?

i think he's judging on goals and individual accolades

sod09:
bros will you rate david beckham, okocha, jimmy floyd hasselbank, zola, harry kewell, mark viduka world class

Only David Beckham Is world class in your list, He was nominated as the second best player in the world in 2001 and he was also second behind Rivaldo in 1999. Zola has a case though

sod09:
i think he's judging on goals and individual accolades

And that is completely wrong! Some people think it is only those whose names are in head lights that are world class players...there are some players who don't have the noisiest agents, bang the baddest models, sport the flashiest hair styles or score 60 goals per season? But ask those who do these things who influenced their game or who made them shine and you would hear of people like them!


Ask paul scholes and roy keane what they think about Nicky butt? Or xavi and Iniesta how they feel about busquets? Or Viera and fabregas who is Gilberto silva? Or lampard about Zola And then go and collate their answers....

CapitalCee:


Only David Beckham Is world class in your list, He was nominated as the second best player in the world in 2001 and he was also second behind Rivaldo in 1999. Zola has a case though

lmao bro
even ur beckham is no world class second is nothing in football
show some love bro, kewell,viduka ,zola and hasselbank were some of the best CF in the 1990s to 2000s in their respective clubs
kanu, okocha and mikel are all world class too, brazil or any football house will kill to have any of them in their team. you can even say sanchez ,coutinho and kane aint world class too.
IMO, beckham is the least i will call worldclass cos he has nothing to offer team

Funlordmaniac:



And that is completely wrong! Some people think it is only those whose names are in head lights that are world class players...there are some players who don't have the noisiest agents, bang the baddest models, sport the flashiest hair styles or score 60 goals per season? But ask those who do these things who influenced their game or who made them shine and you would hear of people like them!


Ask paul scholes and roy keane what they think about Nicky butt? Or xavi and Iniesta how they feel about busquets? Or Viera and fabregas who is Gilberto silva? Or lampard about Zola And then go and collate their answers....

im not a man utd fan but i grew up loving that guy
his long range shot is something else, those are players not one overrated fine boy beckham

sod09:
i think he's judging on goals and individual accolades

Ofcourse, my idea of world class is you must be at least top 5 in your position at any point in your Career, not necessarily now but at any point in your Career or at least win the player of the season at a Major European league(EPL, Laliga, Bundesliga and seria A)

The only world class players currently playing in EPL are :

Coutious, D.Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Kante, Harry Kane,Hugo Lloris, Aguero, Kompany, D.Silva, Yaya Toure, Coutinho, Petr Cech, Sanchez, Ozil, De Gea, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Mkhitaryan,Matic, Mahrez and Baba Wazza.

Luiz, Alderweireld, Kocsielny, Mata, Azpilicueta, Jesus, Lukaku,Mane, Lacazzete and Bailly are good players but are not world class.

I might have missed some names though

Funlordmaniac:



Bigger stadium leads to more high profile occasions being hosted there, more match day tickets sold, more revenue and more fan participation / club merchandise sold due to rising attendance figures....your stadia matters in football! It is your identity! Inter's San siro is the largest in Italian football. Inter is the second-most supported team in Italy, and the 6th most-supported team in Europe and is one of the most valuable clubs in world football....( I've already said dortmund is marginally smaller than the gayners..leave them to go and buy us sweets)




Now as for titles...Inter has 18 league titles and 3 champions leagues, 3 uefa cups and one fifa club world cup..( notice I left out all those coppa italia or their own version of the community shield or league or fa cups which arsenal use in padding their numbers?)

Arsenal has 13 league titles and 0 European trophies (albeit only one uefa cup winners cup?)

Let's take a census of mostly world class players from both teams since 1992 till date:

1 Inter: Maldini, Julio Cesar, ronaldo de lima, Alvaro recoba, Adriano, christian vieri, obafemi martins, rui costa, pirlo, cannavaro, Lucio, baggio, Dennis bergkamp, crespo, Samuel etoo, Zanetti, bergomi, cordoba, cambiasso, Walter Samuel, Dejan stankovic, chivu, yuri djorkaeff, Luis figo, zlatan, klinsmann, maicon, maxwell, nagamoto..Wesley sneijder, toldo, zamorano,




2 Arsenal: Tony Adams, martin keown, Viera, thierry Henry, Pires, kanu, seaman, fabregas,lungberg, van persie, sanchez, sol Campbell, Lee dixon, Ian wright, mark overmars, Ashley cole, emmanuel petit, Gilberto silva, Lehmann, toure, Lauren, ozil, koscielny, Sagna, carzola.....



Based on all this in footballing terms who will you say is bigger? Who has paraded the more prestigious players? Who has won more important trophies and who generates more on every match day?

I don't think I see Diego Milito and Samir Handanovic in your list for inter.

CapitalCee:


Ofcourse, my idea of world class is you must be at least top 5 in your position at any point in your Career, not necessarily now but at any point in your Career or at least win the player of the season at a Major European league(EPL, Laliga, Bundesliga and seria A)

The only world class players currently playing in EPL are :

Coutious, D.Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Kante, Harry Kane,Hugo Lloris, Aguero, Kompany, D.Silva, Yaya Toure, Coutinho, Petr Cech, Sanchez, Ozil, De Gea, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Mkhitaryan,Matic, Mahrez and Baba Wazza.

Luiz, Alderweireld, Kocsielny, Mata, Azpilicueta, Jesus, Lukaku,Mane, Lacazzete and Bailly are good players but are not world class.

I might have missed some names though

den you wrong
kanu and mikel won more trophies than all you listed

pamcode:
I don't think I see Diego Milito and Samir Handanovic in your list for inter.

milito was just 2 years or so





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pamcode:
I don't think I see Diego Milito and Samir Handanovic in your list for inter.

I did not want to overload the chaps brain...if I had gone back into the 80's and 70's na tears be that....inter has simply produced more class players and great moments than arsenal in European football...FACT! Let us not disrespect them because of a few poor years after all united is also going through a poor spell at the moment should that negate our standing in the game? Course not....

sod09:
den you wrong
kanu and mikel won more trophies than all you listed

Jesus!!!; Kanu and Mikel world class? What do you mean won more trophies, John O'Shea won more trophies than Luis Suarez