butterflylion:


I just imagined that quote being declared by Brad pit in Troy the same way he said "is there no one else"

butterflylion:


Listen carefully. I want to see your evidence you have for God being a man made idea. Not theory or history but actual evidence.

When you can or cannot provide that then we will delve into the purpose or lack of behind creation. Let's take it a step at a time shall we?

I dey wait.

dalaman:


If I tell you you worship ideas and conception of other men you'll start baaing. Is the bible not a book written by humans? Olodo.

Proudgorgeousga:


nope extremism is present in most dogmatic beliefs. especially in monotheism. religious people are more bigoted against non religious. even here on nairaland I read a lot of bigoted posts by so called religious people more than atheists. once whatsoever you say or do is against what is in their religious books or their doctrine you are a demon or hell bound. atheists are not the ones beating old women to death and accusing them of witchcraft neither do they scream Allah akbar and blow people up. that are not the ones who build religious houses with drug money or force people to eat grass.

dalaman:


What is this Olodo saying? Have you ever provided any evidence for God outside human history, theories, imaginations and make belief? When you provide actual evidence for God that is outside human imaginations, history and make belief only then will I begin to assume you are not a big Olodo and you have an idea of what you are talking about. That is why I've told you to show me any God that existon it's own without human input. Instead of doing that the Olodo is crying baaa, baaa, meh meh. Olodo!

What is the purpose or lack of it behind creation apart from the imaginations you have been indoctrinated with by others? You take your deluded opinions too seriously.

butterflylion:


Now you are shifting to a book and not the idea in the book ba?

Where is the evidence you have for man creating the God idea? We are not talking about the bible but the Idea.

I need names, pictures and dates. Over to you.

KingEbukasBlog:


You garrit bro . If dalaman cannot provide the names , pictures and dates then he is a liar ! His claims are baseless and should be dismissed !

Atheists always say " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence " and "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

When their own statements come back and bite them real hard !

butterflylion:



You take your rants of Olodo too seriously. An Olodo is someone who is unable to match his reasoning with his writing.

You made a claim of God being a man made idea so match that claim with proof namely, names, pictures and dates otherwise your Olodo rant is actually you addressing yourself.

Note: an Olodo is the person who can assume a book is same as the idea contained in it. You mentioned idea and suddenly you are switching to a book.

Well I am waiting for your evidence to your claim.

butterflylion:


Yep! He surely made an extraordinary claim of God being a man made idea so he needs to support same with extraordinary evidence which was why I specifically asked for names, dates and pictures.

When the mirror is turned on them they resort to name calling such as his overly zealous Olodo rant.

dalaman:


Again what is this Olodo saying? I gave you a simple task which is to show me any God that exist on its own without human input in my first reply to you. If you show me the picture you were provided of any God or give me the dates you were shown as proof he established the universe and crateed things before you believed then I'll equally provide my own pictures, and dates. Provide the pictures and dates you were shown as proof of God before you believed.

butterflylion:


Yep! He surely made an extraordinary claim of God being a man made idea so he needs to support same with extraordinary evidence which was why I specifically asked for names, dates and pictures.

When the mirror is turned on them they resort to name calling such as his overly zealous Olodo rant.

butterflylion:


I think you need to revisit the earlier parts of this thread and convince yourself with that, that the claim of God being a man made idea first fell from your Olodo perfused mouth. Hence why you need to defend your claim via evidence and not seeking the evidence from someone else in defence of your silly claim.

In the midst of all I just typed the meaning of Olodo is embedded in it for you to decipher for yourself.

dalaman:


I've done that already. There is no one God. There are different ideas and concepts of God that is why there are many different Gods and religions. Your Jesus God was invented by the early church fathers whose names and the role they played in creating the theology , christian doctrines and religion tradition as a whole is well known. They started creating the religion years after the Jesus chsracter died by writing down fictional and mythical stories about him and elevating his status as God over time at their various meetings and councils. Everything about the Jesus God started like 2000 years ago before then there was no Jesus God anywhere. Allah God came around like 1600 years ago by Mohammed and his cronies. The deist movement and idea started recently in the United states. If you are a Nigerian then your own ancestors has their own ideas and conception of God they invented as well. Ifa and Olurun the God that sent Oduduwa is an example.

KingEbukasBlog:


I strongly believe that people who indulge in these vices , perpetrators of evil works are atheists . Atheists have no foundation of morality so even bigotry , hatred , murder can been seen as good to them , it is arbitrary . Are you telling me that the South African pastor who forces people to eat grass is a Christian ? I think he is an atheist amusing himself with his ability to control innocent minds based on humans' predisposition to believe in anything elevated , supernatural , mysterious etc .

Using religion or spirituality to mask your subterfuges or manipulations is open to anyone .

dalaman:


Where are the pictures and dates you were provided with as proof before you believe in God? Where are they?

butterflylion:



Force you? Are you a child?
Threathen you? With a gun?
Threathen you with hell? Ogbeni you are an atheist! Hell or heaven does not exist to you.

How can you claim to be threathened with something you already declared and accepted does not exist?

KingEbukasBlog:
How many times will you people open this useless threads to tell these boring stories ??

Atheism does not question religious beliefs , religious books or religious doctrines or reject religion so I don't get why stories here are centered on religion

Questioning religious beliefs does not make anyone an atheist . Denying the existence of a transcendent creator of the universe does not even make you an atheist.

What makes you an atheist is when you reject deification or when you dont see anything -abstract or concrete - as a god .

99 percent Nigerian "atheists" are very ignorant and expect more stories based on their ignorance here .

cc : felixomor , butterflylion spacetacular,

CAPSLOCKED:




YOU'RE ATTACKING ME WITH F00LISHNESS

I SEE

I'LL STEP AWAY NOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T BARGAIN FOR THAT.



I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS FURTHER, WITH ONLY THE SENSIBLE PEOPLE OF NAIRALAND.

LightandDarkness:


I am interested in the experience of other's. The only thing this thread can do is foster some understanding between atheist and theists, you and your people should get out if you aren't interestedly.

KingEbukasBlog:


Gives me high BP ? Im entertaining myself with the usual ignorant bullsheet you guys spew . The last time I checked stress-free and entertaining activities like ridiculing ignorant atheists do not give High BP

The thread was to show atheists how empty atheism is .

LightandDarkness:


Why is why you basically ran away from the thread when johnnydon tackled your argument?

butterflylion:


I am sure you know the difference between history (which you atheists claim can be falsified) and actual tangible evidence such as names, dates and pictures ba?

Stop playing ignorant and just do the needful. I did not ask you for history so get to work with what I specifically demanded for.

CAPSLOCKED:

WHEN I WAS RELIGIOUS.. I MEAN, EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS,

I ALWAYS BORE IN MIND THAT IT COULD BE POSSIBLE, THAT MY RELIGION ISN'T THE TRUE ONE SINCE I LEARNT ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
SORT OF, I WAS BORN TO BE A RATIONAL BEING.

GROWING UP, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WERE ATHEISTS, I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS ON THINGS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY DON'T ADD UP.

UNTIL THE INTERNET CAME AROUND, NOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO UNSEE THE TRUTH ONCE YOU'VE SEEN IT.

dalaman:


Did you provide us with any tangible evidence to show us why you believe in God? Were you provided with tangible picture and date evidence before believing?

butterflylion:


It seems your head first wakes up and it takes 12 hours for your common sense to wake up alongside.

When did I categorically say I believe in God on this thread? I could believe in an impersonal God can I not? For that I do not need dates or pictures or anything but my reasoning. Atheism isn't like that. Atheism is proof based due to its sceptical nature.

So you cannot speak for me. You need to speak for yourself as an atheist and how can you do this? You need to provide empirical evidence to your claim of God being a man made idea.

I dey wait.

dalaman:


If you believe in an impersonal God that doesn't require any evidence then why should I provide you with any evidence.? You don't need any. By the way proof doesn't need to be only in pictures and dates. I've already provided historical proof. So stop speaking for me as well. As an atheist you aren't the one to tell me what to take as evidence or proof. Just speak for yourself alone.

KingEbukasBlog:


I strongly believe that people who indulge in these vices , perpetrators of evil works are atheists . Atheists have no foundation of morality so even bigotry , hatred , murder can been seen as good to them , it is arbitrary . Are you telling me that the South African pastor who forces people to eat grass is a Christian ? I think he is an atheist amusing himself with his ability to control innocent minds based on humans' predisposition to believe in anything elevated , supernatural , mysterious etc .

Using religion or spirituality to mask your subterfuges or manipulations is open to anyone .

butterflylion:


For the last time listen. I made no claims you did!

I am not on the quest to convince you, you are on the quest to convince me!

Your claim is not about me because that is one of the reasons you (not me) became an atheist. So show me proof of this?

Rather than do this, you are looking for my own evidence when I have said and done absolutely nothing.

You well so?

Pictures, names, dates! I dey wait.

butterflylion:


So proof does not necessarily need to be demonstrated In a specific way ba? Kingebukasblog kindly take note.

He is empty so has nothing to show for his claim.

dalaman:


I can play your games as well. Do you believe in God? If yes then provide the tangible proof you were provided with before you believed. If no, then I have nothing to discuss with you.

butterflylion:


For the last time listen. I made no claims you did!

I am not on the quest to convince you, you are on the quest to convince me!

Your claim is not about me because that is one of the reasons you (not me) became an atheist. So show me proof of this?

Rather than do this, you are looking for my own evidence when I have said and done absolutely nothing.

You well so?

Pictures, names, dates! I dey wait.

KingEbukasBlog:


I strongly believe that people who indulge in these vices , perpetrators of evil works are atheists . Atheists have no foundation of morality so even bigotry , hatred , murder can been seen as good to them , it is arbitrary . Are you telling me that the South African pastor who forces people to eat grass is a Christian ? I think he is an atheist amusing himself with his ability to control innocent minds based on humans' predisposition to believe in anything elevated , supernatural , mysterious etc .

Using religion or spirituality to mask your subterfuges or manipulations is open to anyone .