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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:15pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Joebie: He should leave England,it could help.. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:26pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Joebie:call it what you want, but virtually everyone knows that Mikel is indispensable in our team.Saying Mikel is 'good' is an insult to his immense contribution to the NT, so immense that our midfield crashed and burned against SA in his absence Like I said, even if he can only play sixty minutes, he will be in that starting lineup, you can take that to the bank 6 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:53pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
I think most of it has to do with bad transfer choices. I have been following that class even before the UAE World Cup. I've never seen ANY Nigerian team in my life, subdue their opponents at will especially the way they did. Iheanacho just has fitness issues. He is a very important player for Leicester. I still rate Isaac Success highly going by his previous exploits in La Liga. My verdict is that EPL is not the best for him. The Belgian League just a tier higher than NPFL? Please!!! Awoniyi is beginning to live up to expectation. Chidiebere Nwakali's stock is still rising. He scored today, and he has been on the rise. Chidiera Ezeh is in the Portguese first division. In fact he played a part in his club's last league game. Alampasu is now a second choice Keeper in the Portuguese top flight. I think you need to go a few pages back. I did a post on the whereabouts of the players from that class. I expect to see at least 3-5 players from that set up, go to Russia, should we qualify. Let's take a look the previous U17 classes for comparison sake. If memory serves me right, our U17 set up from Japan '93, only had a few players that did AT LEAST okay in Europe, namely: Kanu Nwankwo, Wilson Oruma, Pascal Ojigwe and Celestine Babayaro. Only Kanu and Babayaro actually made their mark for SE. The U17 class of 1995: James Obiorah. Had a few caps for SE but never established himself. The U17 class of 2001: Opabunmi had a couple caps for SE. We all know about his health issue. The U17 class of 2003: Obi Mikel and Chinedu Obasi The U17 class of 2007: Lookman Haruna, Uche Okafor, and Rabiu Ibrahim. None of these players have really established themselves in Europe. But they have a few caps for SE The U17 class of 2009: Onazi, Omeruo, Ajagun, and Kayode. Only 3 of which have played for SE. Hopefully at least 3 will make the cut to Russia. From the above you will agree with me that the U17 class of 2013 has great promise. Its too early to talk about the U17 class of 2015. But mind you, we already have the likes of Victor Osimhen and Orji Okonkwo, proving to be the early bloomers from that class. However, it would be wrong for you to make the progression of these players your yardstick for measuring our football development, because other countries like Brazil, Spain, Germany etc will still fail the test. Although we would still arrive at the same conclusion, I would rather use our domestic league as a yardstick. OMANBALA1: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:57pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
You can blame Mikel's absence for the crash to SA, but it's just an opinion. Mikel is good, I repeat. And that's a praise based on how I understand that statement. However, Victor Moses has been our best player since 2016. #Fact. #NoExaggerations. Modified And let me add. Your previous statement is disrespectful to the other players I respect in that team. Even Mikel will never say that, and I'm sure he doesn't think that way. We've have lost games with Mikel present. Please!!! safarigirl: 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:03am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Well he is a professional. You know most of our players like England Kpali.. na wa!!! Danielnino00: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:11am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Nigerians are so arrogant.. I said this before SA disgraced us. Make Nigeria with Mikel no beat Cameroon first!!! Thankfully Rohr said Cameroon is a better team. That's why I want him to succeed even if he were our opponent's coach. in life attitude is what counts. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 12:38am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Thank you. I wanted to respond to that, but then I laughed it off. Nigeria is too big a team to allow just a single player determine how well the play. We all saw how Onazi's injury affected us against France in the 2014 WC. We've been blessed with depth in our team, with numerous options in one position. John Ogu can deputize for Mikel, and that can provide ndidi the opportunity to move upfront as much as he would love to. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 12:46am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: I don't know what you mean by "arrogance" Before our loss to SA, we've been unbeaten in all competitive encounters against them spanning a period well over two decades. Tell me we had no edge going into that game. We had no right to feel confident when facing an inferior team. SA no be our mate, and when we follow them go their house, na better flogging them go collect. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:02am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Sentiments aside, we do not have any player in the class of Mikel in our team. Maybe in the future our young lads will carve their separate niches to excel but for now he is the only one who can bring that exceptional touch to the midfield. His attributes of reading the game, both offensively and defensively, his simple but highly intelligent connective passes, his positioning and through passes is one of the assets of our team. For now, no one from Esiti, Ndidi, Onazi, Ogu, Aluko, Ajagun, Ifeanyi Matthew, Nwobodo, C. Nwakali, K. Nwakali, J. Obi etc. From the whole pack, we lack a player close to Mikel in intelligence and touches. I agree with safarigirl on this. We stand a better chance with sixty minutes of Mikel than none at all. He is a special player. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndreTAyodeji(m): 6:01am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Mikel is a special,talented and intelligent player but i think it`s high time we stop blaming the S.A loss on the absence of Mikel from the team,Rohr himself bottled that game with his midfield selections,bad tactics,No Plan B and the atrocious long balls Onazi with a low passing accuracy was hitting to Nacho all game.Mikel`s experience would have been a major boost for the team in the game but he was unfortunately absent and we must learn to cope in his absence, Balogun would have done Mikel`s job from the back and also bring experience to the team,Victor Moses would have also silently done his own job bring experience to the frontline and effectively drag the team to victory.Now we know Onazi and Ndidi should never play together again,we saw what Ogu and Ndidi brought in the Senegal game and now i can`t wait to see what Ndidi and Joel Obi will bring to the team.The player i see close to Mikel right now is Joel Obi,dude offers you stabiliy in your midfield as he always keeps it simple,top notch pinpoint passing accuracy,pushing the team forward by starting attacks with the ball at his feet,excellent reading of the game,good positioning and a natural CM who also defensively does a job.However, he is still no where near Mikel`s leadership skills and experience but we can expect him to effectively replace Mikel on the football part while Balogun and co provides the team with experience and the leadership part. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndreTAyodeji(m): 6:17am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Sir,did you watch the CHAN eagles match and would you rate the left back that played.His he anywhere near good or just average because i am seriously shopping for a better LB than the experienced echiejile who should also be blamed for that S.A loss as he did nothing going forward,exposed Awaziem all game,faulty in his defensive duties as S.A first goal came through a cross from his flank,failed to step up as a leader for the young team being one of the most experienced.I don`t blame players but the guy really pissed me off with his shitty performace in the match. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:28am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Humility017:Have you found out why he missed those matches? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:05am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Anyone watched Osas Okoro play for the CHAN Eagles last Saturday? I mentioned earlier that he's the best RWB in the league by a country mile this season, when a so called league expert questioned why he was listed as a defender. He's a bomber with wicked explosive movement from the Right back. Without disrespect to the players in the Super Eagles playing that role, Osas is better than anyone there, I'm sticking my head out on this one. He deserves a look in against Cameroon,that is if excellence and fair play are the watchwords of the Super Eagles selectors. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 7:08am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Icon4s:I think there should be no reason to it... because he always made the bench... taking from your words...probably he didn't meet up wit the coach requirement to play. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:49am On Aug 21, 2017 |
burkina faso hindered ghana from making it to next year chan. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndreTAyodeji(m): 7:51am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joel Obi`s stat from the 76 minutes he played on the pitch yesternight:Pass accuracy of 88.1%, 5 interceptions, 5 long passes, 59 short passes, 2 tackles won, 3 aerials won, 3 key passes, 1 assist. I am not hyping the guy oo but just impressed with him after his comeback from injury,hope he put his injury woes behind him and also keep playing well. Elsewhere Nura Abdullahi was on Roma`s bench yesterday but didn`t come on but i think he will get his chance in the cups and some other games. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:57am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: I can't believe you just said this. not every team needs a controller for your info, Chelsea last season had absolutely no controller in their team for most of the matches they played, now let's take a critical look at that team. can you tell me that Ndidi cannot do what Kante does for them? can you tell me that Ogu, Azubuike, Agu, even Onazi cannot do what Matic used to do for them? Can't Victor Moses play our very own Hazard role? the problem with the SE lies with the coaches, we employ coaches with a limited skill set, a coach who only has one tactics in mind, no in game tweaks nothing nothing. currently we have a golden generation of wingers coming through and attackers but our defenders and defensive minded midfielders are dwindling why then can't the coach just adopt a formation that will suit wingers and attack minded players? when you keep on attacking your opponents for ninety minutes will they even see the ball to harm you? our problem is in our over insistence on playing two DMFs, I doubt if there is any modern national team that plays with two DMFs not to mention that we are spoilt for choice in other departments but we continue playing two DMFs. why can't we just play a bona fide 4-4-2 because of the attacking options we have? We have like six ever good wingers off the top of my head, when we only need two midfielders we will see that we are spoilt for choice there, Ndidi and Mikel seems like the best option right now, I don't see why the two can't hold their own against any team coming at them if they have good wingers that can take the pressure off the centre of the pitch. and in case of any eventuality we have Joel Obi and Ajagun and even Iwobi to replace Mikel, we have Ogu and a whole host of others to replace Ndidi but our problem is that we insist in playing that blasted 4-2-3-1 formation that requires a lot of through passes. the simple truth is that we do not have such players in our team at all and even Mikel that we celebrate will not cut it as an AMF for other top teams so Wyeth can't we just play to the strength of the players we have 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by wayodude(m): 8:12am On Aug 21, 2017 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:18am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Mickael2: To start with, you are totally mistaken if you think Ndidi can pass like Kante. Ndidi passes well but not in the class of Kante. Also, keep in mind that Chelsea last season had David Luiz behind the two defensive/central midfielders who also did lots of dictating of plays with his passing too. We have good midfield players but we lack quality passing. It was very obvious in our game against South Africa. We need Mikel for now until we get a player of such class. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by wayodude(m): 8:22am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Good one. I like hearing of players abilities that I am not aware of, I have never seen this guy play and I am desperate to see a decent right back play for Naija. You seem to have described his quality going forward BUT can he defend against Vincent Aboubakar of FC Porto? Does he have the required skill, vision, positioning, awareness, concentration, recovery rate etc to be successful against offensive players who are used to dealing with better and higher profile defenders? There seems to be a reason why most foreign coaches are reluctant to play defenders from the local league. I have always thought it a wise decision. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:25am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Mickael2: Mikel will cut it in an attack midfield role in a top team. His intelligence is enough to tell you that. We are talking of a man who reinvented himself into a quality long-serving defensive midfielder. What does he lack to make it? His brilliant passing and intelligence is key. Mikel is also strong on the ball, retains it with confidence and is quick in finding gaps to pass into. After his performance against Spain, it is impossible to accept a claim that Mikel would not have done well in the attack midfield role. Also, the reason you are saying that we should change formation is because deep in your heart, you know we lack a midfielder with the class of Mikel. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:28am On Aug 21, 2017 |
AndreTAyodeji: Unfortunately, I did not watch the CHAN match and so, I can not comment on his quality. I will try to catch his next game. I will be honest. I have exhausted my patience with Echiejile. You can not keep making the same mistake for years. If he can not learn to cover his back, then the coaching crew must work hard to unearth someone who can. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:35am On Aug 21, 2017 |
AndreTAyodeji: Nice input. I am not saying we can not manage or cope without Mikel. I am saying Mikel's presence is a big asset to the team and this makes him a key player. Nice addition and I hope the best for Joel Obi. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 8:38am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Mickael2:Chelsea have Luiz who builds up from deep. That's why Conte wanted Koulibaly last season and Van Dijk this one. They now have Christensen who is also a good ball playing CB. We don't have a ball playing CB at the back.. I haven't watched Awaziem so I don't know how much of a good passer he is, but with no great ball playing CBs, it was simply atrocious to play a midfield of Onazi - Ndidi - Etebo especially with Nacho as a 9. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 8:48am On Aug 21, 2017 |
AndreTAyodeji:how good is he from shooting outside d box...... |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 8:53am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Mickael2:lmao.....mikel will not cut it as an amf....funny well it depends on d d type of amf d coach wants.....d only thing i think he lacks is shooting accuracy(shootin from outside d box) 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:23am On Aug 21, 2017 |
wayodude:Osas is an ex youth international, elder brother of Stanley Okoro (little Messi ![]() Osas playing style has is very very similar to Victor Moses. Always full of energy,endeavor,skills to beat his man,good crossing and deadly from set pieces. For what I've seen of this guy, I doubt if any of our current right backs can match him. I kid you not. Its not like we have players from Man city and Bayern Munich as our right backs. At the last Chan, he was one of our better performers. Add that up with his experience at the U20,s and the Champions league, you have yourself a player who is ready for the next level. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 9:23am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Our game with Cameroon should not be for the likes of iheanacho and iwobi. We need physically strong players like Aaron Samuel, nwakaeme, ighalo, ogu, etebor etc |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:28am On Aug 21, 2017 |
zuchyblink: Going with physical players against Cameroun is a suicide mission because we will play to the advantage of the Camerounians. You can not expect to beat them at their own game. We need to go with creativity, speed and invention. Run them riot coupled with intelligent and quick passes. That is the best approach. 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:48am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: supported!!!!....... ![]() and the very first time I support my very good padi!!!!.......... THEGOODJOE ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 9:53am On Aug 21, 2017 |
zuchyblink:thank God u 're not the coach ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:56am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:I disagree with this assertion. It will be sheer arrogance not take into account what the opposition brings to the table. Football is a contact sports,you can't take this out of the game. I wonder why you would want to play non physical players who will be bullied all over the pitch, is that what you call playing with intelligence and quick passes? This is Africa. We need to match them physically and outwit them with intelligence. You make it sound like we don't have a strong players who are intelligent. If we play physically weak players who shy away from getting physical when the need arises, we will loose home and away without scoring a goal. Please quote me on this. 2 Likes |
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