prinzfavian:
First let's consider the meaning of destiny:

1. That to which any person or thing is destined; a predetermined state; a condition foreordained by the Divine or by human will; fate; lot; doom.

2. The fixed order of things; invincible necessity; fate; an irresistible power or agency conceived of as determining the future, whether in general or of an individual.

From the above definitions, destiny is said to be fixed..perfectly mapped out from the very beginning of such person's life.... Then, whatever happens to that person must be according to his or her already written script...

Now here are some few questions if destiny were to be true....

Why do we look left and right when crossing the road or run out of the road if we saw an oncoming vehicle trying to hit us... If our time to die has been predestined why take any precaution to save oneself, if it's not your time to die then you won't, you don't need to do anything, remember your whole life and action has been mapped out which means you're not in control of your life.

Also, if there was anything like destiny, means whatever is happening now is what has been mapped out or planned from the onset.... It's been destined that you'll open this thread on Sunday, and I'll be commenting right now as I am on this thread... The list goes on,..... The concept of destiny opposes the concept of free will...
Everyone is wherever they are today because of the decisions they made and actions they took moments before now not according to some perfectly planned out script... That's what I call freewill not destiny...
Thanks.

I like people with rational thinking and you belong to one

thoth:
Destiny is the most stupidest thing ever invented by religionists. most philosophers that i have read including St Paul described it as a load of trash.

You mentioned St Paul, if i may ask was his conversion his doing?
Did he influence the divine appearance of Yeshua Hamashiach to himself?

Is it possible that your type of person had been determined before you were born... that your actions are determined by the type of person you are...or in other words, your actions are determined by who you are...and your actions determine your outcome in life? Is it right then to say your destiny had been determined, before your birth, since your type of person had been determined and so, would always act as expected to create whatever that had been predestined?

Nipeks:



The future is certain. What will be will be.

The future of the universe can only be altered from the outside for the same reason a stone cannot turn itself.

Control is an illusion.

Every event in the universe is caused by something. That something is caused by another thing. On and on.

You might argue that the choice you make is the cause of your destiny but the choice you made is also caused by something else... YOU.
YOU are not responsible for who YOU are. In other words, YOU is caused by something else.

Again, control is just an illusion. Humans need to feel they are in control to avoid existential crisis.

It is very hard to accept your future is not in your hands

You need to think deep to grab the concept of causality.

The reverse is the case, poor religious individuals like to believe in destiny and how everything is out of their control, they like to blame it on the unseen hand, unlike successful men in ALL fields that take life by the horn, Your mindset is what has brought Nigeria to her knees, there is control, we are not destined to have thieving leaders or live without electricity, its called cause and effect, you touch fire you get burnt, nothing like the fire was destined to burn you, you elect useless leaders you get useless leadership, if you don't save and re-invest in yourself you would be poor.

OrdercityWeb:
Good morning everyone,

Okay so i was discussing with a friend some time back and i told him i was going to do my research on this.
Do you believe what will be will be?
Do you believe in destiny?
Or do you believe the course of the life of man can be altered?

I'll need factual replies for or against not just some personal religious biases.

OK let's look at it like this..

A man was asked to go to his father's house in the village which is in Anambra state, from Lagos. So it's destiny is to go to meet his father, and his destination is the village in Anambra. At the middle of the road, he met thieves and they robbed him of his money, their destiny is to rob and he got in their way, so they fulfill their purpose on him. He's left with nothing to continue to his destination, should he turn back? If he did he would have failed his destiny, he decided to continue to his destination. Along the journey, he met a good man that gave him more than the money he took from home, he was very happy and was glad that he can continue the journey with ease. Few hours to the village, in the mood of ecstasy, he went to a hotel, and he met a prostitute coming out with a man, her destiny is to kill any man she sleeps with. He was tempted to have her, and he went in with her not knowing her mission, while they were about to start having fun, she felt a banging on her head and she dropped dead. She was expected to kill 50 men through her mission, and the guy she came out with just gave up the ghost in the accident scene that just took place in the city center, unknowning to her, he's the 50th person, and since she's completed her mission, she too has to die. The man was arrested and thrown behind bars, his people and the whole village heard about it, he was so ashamed of himself, and after a week, he was released. But should he go back to Lagos without seeing his father in the village, he decided to go back to Lagos, he felt ashamed of the whole issue and doesn't want to bring more shame to himself. As he was going back, he met a man on the road who was coming from that village and the man narrated how he met an elderly man who has transformed his life, the description of this elderly man reflects that of his father, in a twinkle of an eye he decided to return back, on getting to the village he was well received, his father welcomed him and made a great feast for him, and he said to him, my son, you have gone away from me since childhood into Lagos, but today you are here, and I will tell you something that will shock you, he took him to the Kings palace and said, I tell you today my son that I'm not your father but your father is the king who has just departed to meet our ancestors, you've been away from him since you were born, and I was taking care of you till I sent you to Lagos, but thank God that you are here today, the Oracle demands such to happen in order for you to be crown and thank God you made it here today, we have been waiting for you for the past 2years since the king fell ill until he departed yesterday, if you had not come after his demise within the next two weeks, we would have crown someone else. And so the man was crown a King after his Father.

In a nutshell, everyone has a destiny, a happy ending. And you must find out what yours is, having find out, you must strive and be determined to fulfill it, because there are going to be distractions, setbacks, depression, but only your firm resolve will make you fulfill your destiny, Gracias.

Kylekent59:
It's a NO from me.
You have to make a move to make a change.

If you didn't practise, you won't be perfect.

Life can be fair or unfair to man at his starting point. It is now left for man to make his/her decision whether to progress in life or not. You have to be your self and don't compromise.

destiny can also be altered. Let us use politics as a case study.
A politician was aspiring for a post and he needed the post willingly. He bribed the youths and at the end he won,then in return the youths are suffering. Had it been d youth voted the right person, they would have gotten a benefiting job, but because of ignorance they voted d wrong choice.
Destiny can be bought, we call it wisdom of man.

An example is that of Goodluck Jonathan. Many people voted for him as a result of empty promises and ignorance coupled with the amount of bribe being dished out. He wasn't destined to become the president of Nigeria. Election can take another turn and then come in favour of the unexpected.

Or let me use the case of someone who was born blind. There are many biological factors responsible for that. It's not that anybody has been destined to be blind


Over spirituality is keeping us backward in Nigeria, and that's why we are the most unproductive people in the world

Tosinex:
OK let's look at it like this..

A man was asked to go to his father's house in the village which is in Anambra state, from Lagos. So it's destiny is to go to meet his father, and his destination is the village in Anambra. At the middle of the road, he met thieves and they robbed him of his money, their destiny is to rob and he got in their way, so they fulfill their purpose on him. He's left with nothing to continue to his destination, should he turn back? If he did he would have failed his destiny, he decided to continue to his destination. Along the journey, he met a good man that gave him more than the money he took from home, he was very happy and was glad that he can continue the journey with ease. Few hours to the village, in the mood of ecstasy, he went to a hotel, and he met a prostitute coming out with a man, her destiny is to kill any man she sleeps with. He was tempted to have her, and he went in with her not knowing her mission, while they were about to start having fun, she felt a banging on her head and she dropped dead. She was expected to kill 50 men through her mission, and the guy she came out with just gave up the ghost in the accident scene that just took place in the city center, unknowning to her, he's the 50th person, and since she's completed her mission, she too has to die. The man was arrested and thrown behind bars, his people and the whole village heard about it, he was so ashamed of himself, and after a week, he was released. But should he go back to Lagos without seeing his father in the village, he decided to go back to Lagos, he felt ashamed of the whole issue and doesn't want to bring more shame to himself. As he was going back, he met a man on the road who was coming from that village and the man narrated how he met an elderly man who has transformed his life, the description of this elderly man reflects that of his father, in a twinkle of an eye he decided to return back, on getting to the village he was well received, his father welcomed him and made a great feast for him, and he said to him, my son, you have gone away from me since childhood into Lagos, but today you are here, and I will tell you something that will shock you, he took him to the Kings palace and said, I tell you today my son that I'm not your father but your father is the king who has just departed to meet our ancestors, you've been away from him since you were born, and I was taking care of you till I sent you to Lagos, but thank God that you are here today, the Oracle demands such to happen in order for you to be crown and thank God you made it here today, we have been waiting for you for the past 2years since the king fell ill until he departed yesterday, if you had not come after his demise within the next two weeks, we would have crown someone else. And so the man was crown a King after his Father.

In a nutshell, everyone has a destiny, a happy ending. And you must find out what yours is, having find out, you must strive and be determined to fulfill it, because there are going to be distractions, setbacks, depression, but only your firm resolve will make you fulfill your destiny, Gracias.

Thanks for your response. Appreciated!

Jiang:
Look dis people wasting brain cells

Make i tell you

WHAT WILL BE, MUST BE unless God says otherwise

This otherwise can happen due to

1- Prayers
2-Wickedness of homo-sapiens
3.

in short only God knows whats best for you, though your destiny is already written & shown to you way b4 you were born into this world & YOU ACCEPTED. Just pray for the best. As God can change anything instantly without you even realizing.

If you can understand this simple truth, then my brother you have already reached halfway to everlasting happiness in this miserable world

And this is coming from an educated person.

Was the destiny written on a sheet of paper or on the marble?

mascottboy:
Pls for does of u dat need book pls read T.D Jakes book title "Destiny". He wrote it 2015, ur eyes will open nd u will tnk me later. Dat book open my eyes dis yr as i bought it. Bible said dat Esau will serve Jacob(destiny), isreal will be in captivity for yrs(destiny). God is a giver of destiny, but u hav a role to play. Tnks.

Nice!

Thanks

Unedith:
Is it possible that your type of person had been determined before you were born... that your actions are determined by the type of person you are...or in other words, your actions are determined by who you are...and your actions determine your outcome in life? Is it right then to say your destiny had been determined, before your birth, since your type of person had been determined and so, would always act as expected to create whatever that had been predestined?

Interesting twist there.

Can i ask, what then determined your type of person?

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TinaAnita:


Is romance/love not part of life?

It's part of life but what I'm trying to say is that, that someone refuses to date you has nothing to do with destiny

It has to do with personal choice and preference. It might just be that you're not the person's taste, hence, things will never work out no matter how much you try to convince that person to date you


Hope you get me?

I did not want to comments, but I'm forced having read series of comments based on fallacies about destiny. For bible students, Let look at it this ways: When God created Adam and Eve, the goal was for them to live forever if only they would not disobey God's directive. Unfortunately, they disobeyed God's instruction, and thus face death penalty and other catastrophe.
Now think deeply about this: If the concept of destiny is true why would God make a law or give an instruction He already knew Adam and Eve would not be able to keep? What will now be the essence of creating humans when He has a pre knowledge that they would not obey him?

Now think about Job again. When Satan challenged God that Job was only serving God because of the blessings he enjoyed from God, and that when those blessing are taken away, he would curse God. Thus God's sovereignty was questioned. What was God's response to this challenge? Did God pre determine Job's fate?

Now think again.. If the concept of destiny is true, then what about the concept of free will?

TinaAnita:
No one can respond to that question accurately except the Creator..
Life is a mystery and the things we don't know are bigger than whatever we know.

But in my opinion I'd say destiny is real and I believe it can be twisted/manipulated/altered by our actions and inactions. I also believe that one can take destiny into her hands. One can achieve anything life can offer.

However, there are certain things that are beyond one's control and that's where "what will be will be" comes to play. Take for instance, if someone is not destined to love you there is nothing anyone can do about it.
I hope my opinion helps.. Hmm

May God bless u for this

TinaAnita:


Is romance/love not part of life?

Of course it is, but what I'm trying to say is that, that someone refuses to date you has nothing to do with destiny

However, it might just be due to the fact that you're not the person's taste, hence, it will never work out no matter how much you try to convince that person to date you

Hope you get me?

teesmarth:


You are right to some extent.

However "WHAT WILL BE WILL BE" this is the ultimate fact bro.

This life is like a movie and we all acting the script.
Every decision we make, every actions and inactions that we make which we think is our own doing, which we think is to the best of our wisdom at any moment have all been premeditated by the creator.
Even our subconsciousness and reflexes are all premeditated to fufill the sole aim of the universe existence

We are pawns on the grand scheme of things


And yes our destiny lies in our hands we can change and shape our lives to whatever and whoever we want to be through our actions and decisions. It is all premeditated and that is our destiny it is what will be and will definately be
Hope you understand

Sure. I understand you well

Whatever that predetermined certain things that man had been trying to explain; for instance,
the earth, the universe, etc.

OrdercityWeb:

Interesting twist there.

Can i ask, what then determined your type of person?

In my opinion, destiny is the summary of one's life, not certain good or bad events that happened in one's life, though these events are what add up to form the summary.

prinzfavian:
First let's consider the meaning of destiny:

1. That to which any person or thing is destined; a predetermined state; a condition foreordained by the Divine or by human will; fate; lot; doom.

2. The fixed order of things; invincible necessity; fate; an irresistible power or agency conceived of as determining the future, whether in general or of an individual.

From the above definitions, destiny is said to be fixed..perfectly mapped out from the very beginning of such person's life.... Then, whatever happens to that person must be according to his or her already written script...

Now here are some few questions if destiny were to be true....

Why do we look left and right when crossing the road or run out of the road if we saw an oncoming vehicle trying to hit us... If our time to die has been predestined why take any precaution to save oneself, if it's not your time to die then you won't, you don't need to do anything, remember your whole life and action has been mapped out which means you're not in control of your life.

Also, if there was anything like destiny, means whatever is happening now is what has been mapped out or planned from the onset.... It's been destined that you'll open this thread on Sunday, and I'll be commenting right now as I am on this thread... The list goes on,..... The concept of destiny opposes the concept of free will...
Everyone is wherever they are today because of the decisions they made and actions they took moments before now not according to some perfectly planned out script... That's what I call freewill not destiny...
Thanks.

To answer your question, even though your time and cause of your death are certain, they are not known.

The truth is that you don't want to die now. Even if someone claims that it is now, you don't want to believe it. You will try your best to stay alive. Hence, you will always look left and right before you cross.

Free Will is an illusion. You think you are making the choices you want to make but what you want is the result of the situation you find yourself in.

- You choose to eat because you are hungry or because it's tasty or for whatever reason you have no control over.

- You are commenting on Nairaland because you are bored or because it's fun or for whatever reason you have no control over.

Is it destiny or free will to be born with spinal bifilar or Down's syndrome? Is it destiny or free will to be born blue ivy? Is it destiny or free will that Olajumokeorisaguna Orisaguna appeared on BBC or CNN when she doesn't even know what it is? Is it destiny or free will that Dana plane crashed into homes of people that have never been on a plane?

tosyne2much:
An example is that of Goodluck Jonathan. Many people voted for him as a result of empty promises and ignorance coupled with the amount of bribe being dished out. He wasn't destined to become the president of Nigeria. Election can take another turn and then come in favour of the unexpected.

Or let me use the case of someone who was born blind. There are many biological factors responsible for that. It's not that anybody has been destined to be blind


Over spirituality is keeping us backward in Nigeria, and that's why we are the most unproductive people in the world

Good luck Jonathan is a solid example to prove that destiny is real. just checkout the guy's history to understand what I'm saying. you said he became the president cos of empty promises that caught the electorates and bribery right? buy do you know a lot of aspirants have done the same thing but were not voted for? the biological factors you are talking about are just human idea and assumption that we are taught to believe in school. ask yourself why a medical doctor dies from a migraine while a mad man who consumes all filthy things live longer. is it that the doctor refuses to apply medication or what really happened? people have been talking about working hard to be successful but do you know a lot of people didn't do half the work you are doing and are swimming I'm millions? is it that they are more brilliant? I Dont think so. what can you say about a Prof who has really worked hard to attain that level but not as successful as an illiterate gambler who made one big hit and shoot up from their. some things are beyond human comprehension and control while some are within our control.

ojoisimi:

Good luck Jonathan is solid example to prove that destiny is real. just checkout the guy's history to understand what I'm saying. you said he became the president cos of empty promises that caught the electorates and bribery right? buy do you know a lot of aspirants have done the same thing but were not voted for? the biological factors you are talking about are just human idea and assumption that we are taught to believe in school. ask yourself why a medical doctor dies from a migraine while a mad man who consumes all filthy things live longer. is it that the doctor refuses to aplly medication or what really happened?

You this man ehn

Issokay ooo

tosyne2much:
You this man ehn

Issokay ooo

I think the word 'destiny' is too deep than what one can easily decipher like that. the bottom point is we should just do our possible best and hope for the best irrespective of destiny

ojoisimi:

I think the word 'destiny' is too deep than what one can easily decipher like that. the bottom point is we should just do our possible best and hope for the best irrespective of destiny

That's true bro. That's the highest we can do

tosyne2much:
An example is that of Goodluck Jonathan. Many people voted for him as a result of empty promises and ignorance coupled with the amount of bribe being dished out. He wasn't destined to become the president of Nigeria. Election can take another turn and then come in favour of the unexpected.

Or let me use the case of someone who was born blind. There are many biological factors responsible for that. It's not that anybody has been destined to be blind


Over spirituality is keeping us backward in Nigeria, and that's why we are the most unproductive people in the world

Why goodluck jonathan
Let us use buhari jor

Kylekent59:

Why goodluck jonathan Let us use buhari jor

Hahaha.. Be like say you dey Anti Buhari crew?

Nipeks:



The future is certain. What will be will be.

The future of the universe can only be altered from the outside for the same reason a stone cannot turn itself.

Control is an illusion.

Every event in the universe is caused by something. That something is caused by another thing. On and on.

You might argue that the choice you make is the cause of your destiny but the choice you made is also caused by something else... YOU.
YOU are not responsible for who YOU are. In other words, YOU is caused by something else.

Again, control is just an illusion. Humans need to feel they are in control to avoid existential crisis.

It is very hard to accept your future is not in your hands

You need to think deep to grab the concept of causality.

Nice one.

I must disagree not to agree!

Yes, this is a very big topic only for the mature minds. You see, what will be will only be concerning those things that God has programmed them to be. While, there are actions or activities that man must react to OR engage in so as satisfy his personal desires and needs. So, when we say, what will be will be, it simply means those things or occurrence that will always take place at their own appointed time according to God's plan. For example, there will always be brightness in the morning, because God has made it so, Man will always feel the need to eat when Hungary... These are destinies already programmed to happen by God. On the other way round, someone may dash you some food today but, there is no assurance that the same will happen everyday. So, the need to engage in activities arised to enable man create additional opportunities for himself. Therefore, what will be will be is pre-destined by God but, as things evolved, Man must also engage in activities to enable him create new opportunities that were never there.

yes but in African destiny can be changed

YOU CANT TALK ABOUT DESTINY WITHOUT BELIEVING IN THE SUPERNATURAL... A man's destiny is designed to fulfil another mans destiny..its a cycle and there are all connected to fulfil a greater purpose to sustain the universe/nature. But most people deviate from it, Cus dey think dia path is difficult. But KARMA knows how to pay them back.. There is a reason why Jesus came as a poor man at that time. And if you remember he did not want to die at a point..but he said."FATHER, LET YOUR WILL BE DONE ". ...I Love the man called Jesus Christ.

Nipeks:



To answer your question, even though your time and cause of your death are certain, they are not known.

The truth is that you don't want to die now. Even if someone claims that it is now, you don't want to believe it. You will try your best to stay alive. Hence, you will always look left and right before you cross.

Free Will is an illusion. You think you are making the choices you want to make but what you want is the result of the situation you find yourself in.

- You choose to eat because you are hungry or because it's tasty or for whatever reason you have no control over.

- You are commenting on Nairaland because you are bored or because it's fun or for whatever reason you have no control over.

lol, are you for real?
Free will is an illusion, really? I choose to eat cos I'm hungry, hence I have no control over that.... What about when I fast, am i not hungry? .... Why could I've had control over my hunger?.. .. Oh, it's been destined that I was gonna fast... Right? Tar!

I'm commenting on Nairaland cos am bored... Really? No where else to go... Facebook, Twitter, insta.... and the likes... What about if I don't have any megabytes to browse on my phone... But I'm bored... I guess I just have to steal to get mb... Since it's been destined that I must come on Nairaland when I'm bored. Haba, think now...

So God that predestines stuffs, also destined atheist not to believe that he exist... Wawu, for real? For what purpose would he have done that? Think dear.... Even the likes of Evans and boko haram is God's doing... Is just a script he has written long ago that is playing out right? Abegi...

He has given us the gift of freewill... And what we have today individually is as a result of our actions... There is no such thing has destiny, we ain't robots... Even animals aren't controlled by destiny, not to talk of humans...

When we tend to overcome this notion of destiny, then we are a step closer to knowing the truth about life.

teesmarth:



Nice one.

I must disagree not to agree!

You mean the opposite of "agree to disagree"?