Asalama Alaykum, Muslim brothers and sisters.

READ:
# Allah SWT says in Quran
"Read! In the name of your Lord" (Alaq 1, first revealed ayah)
"Say: Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that remember

(Allah's knowledge)". (Zumar-9)
# The Prophet (saw) said:
"Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim" (Ibn Maajah (Al- Albaani:Saheeh).

Dear brothers and sisters: Knowledge is Light & Power. So seek knowledge according to the quotes from the glorious Quran and Hadith of our noble Prophet (saw).

Be that as it may be, I want to share with us today the misconception of Contraception or Family Planning.

IS CONTRACEPTION ALLOWED IN ISLAM

*Question: Is contraception (that is, preventing one’s wife from becoming pregnant) allowed in Islam? What is the authentic Islamic ruling about it?
Answer
There are fundamentally two methods of Contraception or family planning.

(1) Permanent methods

(2) Temporary methods

(1) Permanent Methods: Permanent methods include, Vasectomy in males and Tubecotomy in females. All the scholars unanimously AGREE that permanent methods of family planning are COMPLETELY HARAAM (prohibited) since they involve changing human physiology.
Says Allah in the Qur’an: “So set you your face steadily and truly to the Faith: (Establish) Allah’s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made humankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.” (Al-Qur’an 30:30)

*The Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the nations [i.e., on the Day of Resurrection].” (Abu Dawood Hadith no. 2050, Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1805)

(2) Temporary Methods:

Following are various different temporary methods.

a) M.T.P. (Medical Termination of Pregnancy) or Abortion: All scholars unanimously agree that M.T.P. or abortion is HARAAM (prohibited.)

Allah says in the Glorious Qur’an “...kill not your children on a plea of want; We provide

sustenance for you and for them;” (Al-Qur’an 6:151)

“Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you: verily the killing of them is a great sin.” (Al-Qur’an 17:31)

*However, scholars unanimously agree that any permanent method of family planning, or even abortion, can be done if the life of the mother is in danger. For e.g. if the woman is suffering from certain diseases like heart disease or has under gone multiple caesarean operations and in her case the continuation of pregnancy or another pregnancy may be detrimental to her life, then the woman can be aborted or a permanent method of family planning can be adopted to save the life of the woman.

b) Taking birth control pills:

Almost all the scholars including Shaykh Ibn Baaz, Council of the Senior Scholars [of Saudi Arabia] agree that it is not allowed to take birth control pills (Fataawa al-Marah) because of its side effects and changes in the normal physiology.

c) Copper-T: A very common temporary method of family planning or contraception is Copper-T.

Though it is known as ‘contraception’ but technically it is contra-implantation. The sperm fertilizes the ovum but the zygote formed is destroyed by the Copper-T and is prevented from being implanted on the uterine wall (mother’s womb). Thus it is a very early abortion, which is prohibited in Islam.

Some “scholars” out of ignorance permit this temporary method of family planning without knowing its detail.

d) Coitus Interruptus (‘Azl):

Coitus Interruptus is permissible as long as it is performed with mutual consent of both the husband and wife since both of them have equal right to have children.

*This is based on the Hadith of Jabir (RA) who said: “We used to practice (‘Azl) coitus interruptus during the days when the Qur’an was being revealed”.Jabir added: “We used to practice coitus interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger while the Qur’an was being revealed.” (Sahih Bukhari vol. 7, Hadith no. 136)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

“With regard to ‘azl, some of the scholars regarded it as haraam, but the view of the four imams is that it is permissible with the wife’s permission. And Allah nows best.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 32/110)

e) As regarding other temporary methods of family planning like condom etc., the scholars are divided whether their use is permitted or not. Allah (swt) has provided a natural method of planning the family, which is medically known as lactation amenorrhea. After the women gives birth to a child, till she breast feeds she does not have her menstrual cycle, thus the chances of pregnancy in this period of lactation is minimal.

*Allah says in the Qur’an “The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years...” (Al-Qur’an 2:233)

Reasons for Family Planning: All the various reasons for family planning can be divided into two categories:

1. Either for poverty or

2. Giving special attention to children by having fewer children.
As for those who are poor and fear that they will not be able to meet the economic expenses of the additional child, Allah (swt) has prescribed the system of zakaat. Every rich person who has the savings of more than the nisab level i.e. 85 gms of gold, should give 2.5% of his excess wealth every lunar year in charity. Those who are poor have the right to take the zakaat money.

Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an “...Kill not your children on a plea of want; We provide sustenance for you and for them;” (Al-Qur’an 6:151)

Allah (swt) also mentions in the Qur’an “Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you: verily the killing of them is a great sin.” (Al-Qur’an 17:31)

Both these verses seems to convey the same message but on scrutiny we realize that the first verse is meant for poor parents, who fear that if one more child is born in the family neither they will be able to survive nor the child, thus Allah (swt) says we provide sustenance for you and for them. In the other verse Allah (swt) says We shall provide sustenance for them and as well as for you, referring to rich parents who feel that if they have less children they can concentrate on them better and give them better education and quality life. Here Allah (swt) reverses the order and mentions first the children and then the parents.

You may be third, fourth, fifth and so on child of your parents. If your parents would have done family planning, then you would not have been born. Alhumdulillah. However, are you a boon or a bane to the society?

The really problem and fear is bearing children that you don't cater for either males of females. That is where it becomes dangerous and Haram to the sight of Allah (SWT).

It is a misconception that if there are fewer children you can provide better education and quality life to your child:

However, its worth notable that one never knows which child could be a blessing from the Creator for the family. It is quite possible that the child, which the parents anticipate to be a bane, may turn out to be a boon for the family and the society. History bears witness to the fact that many of the great scientists, thinkers and revolutionaries were not from only amongst the first two children of their parents.

Thus the child whom the parents consider unwanted may be a blessing to the family religiously and economically.
With regards to the claim of the people who say that the growth in population increases poverty, this was mainly based on Malthusian’s theory. This theory states that, to maintain prosperity and welfare of human race, its increase should be checked to correspond with the production of foodstuff.

But now we have realized that Malthusian’s theory has been proved wrong and there is no shortage of food grains. Moreover, in spite of the amount of verse arable land and numerous mineral resources in Nigeria uses in agriculture, there is still much more land in Nigeria, which can, with little more efforts in fertilizing it through the proper means be utilized in agriculture thus producing more food grains. It would be interesting to note that population density of Holland and Denmark is about four to five times more than that of Nigeria.

Nevertheless the living conditions of the people there is far better off (economically) than in Nigeria.

Besides, even if one faces difficulties in upbringing of children, one should always remember that in these hardships could be a test from Allah as this life is a test for the hereafter.

*Allah says in the Qur’an: “He Who created Death and Life that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might Oft-Forgiving” [Al Qur’an 67: 2]

*Allah also says: “Be sure We shall test you with something of fear and hunger some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil) but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.” [Al Qur’an 2 :155]

Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an “And they plotted and planned and Allah too planned and the best of planners is Allah (swt)” (Al-Qur’an 3:54).

If you feel you can plan the family better, the choice is yours or else leave it to Allah (swt) to do the best planning for your family.

Allah knows the best. Knowledge is Light & Power.

@OP. . . You people need to know about islam and its judgement before copy and pasting any fatwa . . . this will guide you to xcreen, filter, proof read, check the proof the scholars bring to kn0w maybe it corresponds with the fatwa they give. . . besides am only correcting you and making you aware N0T criticizing you

ANY AND EVERY METHOD OF "BIRTH CONTROL" IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM . . . . ITS THE SAME AS BURYING KIDS ALIVE.. 1. withdrawal method 2. using pills 3. fear of poverty and others are n0t all0wed. . try listen to family planning 1-3 by abu ibeji. . .its comprehensive . . . would have love to create thread about it but am afraid of m0re pe0ple turning kafir just like they did on genotype issue . . by rejecting quran and hadith to follow their qiyas

Thanks for the observation. Masalam

AbuUthaymeen:
ANY AND EVERY METHOD OF "BIRTH CONTROL" IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM . . . . ITS THE SAME AS BURYING KIDS ALIVE.. 1. withdrawal method 2. using pills 3. fear of poverty and others are n0t all0wed. . try listen to family planning 1-3 by abu ibeji. . .its comprehensive . . . would have love to create thread about it but am afraid of m0re pe0ple turning kafir just like they did on genotype issue . . by rejecting quran and hadith to follow their qiyas

Smh. You gave a fatwa without proof but will be jumping about saying proof proof.

There is Hadith supporting coitus interruptus (withdrawal method) and that's what the sahaba did during there time the initial post quoted the Hadith. But you ignored the Hadith and said people should listen to Abu ibeji after shouting on different threads that people should not be listening to scholars without proof.

You people should kuku kill your wives directly instead of killing them small small by getting them pregnant every year. Smh.

If not that you are something else, because people had different opinions from you, you declared them kafir. Even the sahabas didn't always agree.

Fear for yourself first.

And before opening new thread check to make sure that topic doesn't have an existing thread or else you risk me closing it.

Lactation amenorrhea isn't as clear cut as you posted.

It's generally just for the first 6 months, and even that doesn't apply to many women.

Sissie:


Smh. You gave a fatwa without proof but will be jumping about saying proof proof.

There is Hadith supporting coitus interruptus (withdrawal method) and that's what the sahaba did during there time the initial post quoted the Hadith. But you ignored the Hadith and said people should listen to Abu ibeji after shouting on different threads that people should not be listening to scholars without proof.

You people should kuku kill your wives directly instead of killing them small small by getting them pregnant every year. Smh.

If not that you are something else, because people had different opinions from you, you declared them kafir. Even the sahabas didn't always agree.

Fear for yourself first.

And before opening new thread check to make sure that topic doesn't have an existing thread or else you risk me closing it.

THE HADITH EVEN SUPPORTED THAT WITHDRAWAL METHOD IS NOT ALLOWED. WELL,AM OPENING A THREAD ON FAMILY PLANNING. .CLOSE IT IF U LIKE

AbuUthaymeen:
THE HADITH EVEN SUPPORTED THAT WITHDRAWAL METHOD IS NOT ALLOWED. WELL,AM OPENING A THREAD ON FAMILY PLANNING. .CLOSE IT IF U LIKE

This Hadith

This is based on the Hadith of Jabir (RA) who said: “We used to practice (‘Azl) Reproduction interruptus during the days when the Qur’an was being revealed”.Jabir added: “We used to practice Reproduction interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger while the Qur’an was being revealed.” (Sahih Bukhari vol. 7, Hadith no. 136)

If you create a new thread, I will close it. Post under this

Sissie:


This Hadith

This is based on the Hadith of Jabir (RA) who said: “We used to practice (‘Azl) Reproduction interruptus during the days when the Qur’an was being revealed”.Jabir added: “We used to practice Reproduction interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger while the Qur’an was being revealed.” (Sahih Bukhari vol. 7, Hadith no. 136)

If you create a new thread, I will close it. Post under this

RASUL LATER FORBID IT. . let me go copy the isnad . .AM COMING. .BUKHARI 52010, MUSLIM, 1438,1439,1442 and other hadiths that follows that 1442 hadiths . . withdrawal method is absolutely same as killing human being and murdering human being and also buring kids alive. . proven by those hadiths. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . all those hadith i quote proves it that withdrawal method is absolutely haram and its killing..the hadith you quote has been abrogated by the hadiths i just quoted. . . . . . .4tjust mg

Mohdkabiru:
Asalama Alaykum, Muslim brothers and sisters.

READ:
# Allah SWT says in Quran
"Read! In the name of your Lord" (Alaq 1, first revealed ayah)
"Say: Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that remember

(Allah's knowledge)". (Zumar-9)

# The Prophet (saw) said:
"Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim" (Ibn Maajah (Al- Albaani:Saheeh).

Dear brothers and sisters: Knowledge is Light & Power. So seek knowledge according to the quotes from the glorious Quran and Hadith of our noble Prophet (saw).

Be that as it may be, I want to share with us today the misconception of Contraception or Family Planning.

IS CONTRACEPTION ALLOWED IN ISLAM

*Question: Is contraception (that is, preventing one’s wife from becoming pregnant) allowed in Islam? What is the authentic Islamic ruling about it?
Answer
There are fundamentally two methods of Contraception or family planning.

(1) Permanent methods

(2) Temporary methods

(1) Permanent Methods: Permanent methods include, Vasectomy in males and Tubecotomy in females. All the scholars unanimously AGREE that permanent methods of family planning are COMPLETELY HARAAM (prohibited) since they involve changing human physiology.
Says Allah in the Qur’an: “So set you your face steadily and truly to the Faith: (Establish) Allah’s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made humankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.” (Al-Qur’an 30:30)

*The Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the nations [i.e., on the Day of Resurrection].” (Abu Dawood Hadith no. 2050, Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1805)

(2) Temporary Methods:

Following are various different temporary methods.

a) M.T.P. (Medical Termination of Pregnancy) or Abortion: All scholars unanimously agree that M.T.P. or abortion is HARAAM (prohibited.)

Allah says in the Glorious Qur’an “...kill not your children on a plea of want; We provide

sustenance for you and for them;” (Al-Qur’an 6:151)

“Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you: verily the killing of them is a great sin.” (Al-Qur’an 17:31)

*However, scholars unanimously agree that any permanent method of family planning, or even abortion, can be done if the life of the mother is in danger. For e.g. if the woman is suffering from certain diseases like heart disease or has under gone multiple caesarean operations and in her case the continuation of pregnancy or another pregnancy may be detrimental to her life, then the woman can be aborted or a permanent method of family planning can be adopted to save the life of the woman.

b) Taking birth control pills:

Almost all the scholars including Shaykh Ibn Baaz, Council of the Senior Scholars [of Saudi Arabia] agree that it is not allowed to take birth control pills (Fataawa al-Marah) because of its side effects and changes in the normal physiology.

c) Copper-T: A very common temporary method of family planning or contraception is Copper-T.

Though it is known as ‘contraception’ but technically it is contra-implantation. The sperm fertilizes the ovum but the zygote formed is destroyed by the Copper-T and is prevented from being implanted on the uterine wall (mother’s womb). Thus it is a very early abortion, which is prohibited in Islam.

Some “scholars” out of ignorance permit this temporary method of family planning without knowing its detail.

d) Coitus Interruptus (‘Azl):

Coitus Interruptus is permissible as long as it is performed with mutual consent of both the husband and wife since both of them have equal right to have children.

*This is based on the Hadith of Jabir (RA) who said: “We used to practice (‘Azl) coitus interruptus during the days when the Qur’an was being revealed”.Jabir added: “We used to practice coitus interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger while the Qur’an was being revealed.” (Sahih Bukhari vol. 7, Hadith no. 136)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

“With regard to ‘azl, some of the scholars regarded it as haraam, but the view of the four imams is that it is permissible with the wife’s permission. And Allah nows best.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 32/110)

e) As regarding other temporary methods of family planning like condom etc., the scholars are divided whether their use is permitted or not. Allah (swt) has provided a natural method of planning the family, which is medically known as lactation amenorrhea. After the women gives birth to a child, till she breast feeds she does not have her menstrual cycle, thus the chances of pregnancy in this period of lactation is minimal.

*Allah says in the Qur’an “The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years...” (Al-Qur’an 2:233)

Reasons for Family Planning: All the various reasons for family planning can be divided into two categories:

1. Either for poverty or

2. Giving special attention to children by having fewer children.
As for those who are poor and fear that they will not be able to meet the economic expenses of the additional child, Allah (swt) has prescribed the system of zakaat. Every rich person who has the savings of more than the nisab level i.e. 85 gms of gold, should give 2.5% of his excess wealth every lunar year in charity. Those who are poor have the right to take the zakaat money.

Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an “...Kill not your children on a plea of want; We provide sustenance for you and for them;” (Al-Qur’an 6:151)

Allah (swt) also mentions in the Qur’an “Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you: verily the killing of them is a great sin.” (Al-Qur’an 17:31)

Both these verses seems to convey the same message but on scrutiny we realize that the first verse is meant for poor parents, who fear that if one more child is born in the family neither they will be able to survive nor the child, thus Allah (swt) says we provide sustenance for you and for them. In the other verse Allah (swt) says We shall provide sustenance for them and as well as for you, referring to rich parents who feel that if they have less children they can concentrate on them better and give them better education and quality life. Here Allah (swt) reverses the order and mentions first the children and then the parents.

You may be third, fourth, fifth and so on child of your parents. If your parents would have done family planning, then you would not have been born. Alhumdulillah. However, are you a boon or a bane to the society?

The really problem and fear is bearing children that you don't cater for either males of females. That is where it becomes dangerous and Haram to the sight of Allah (SWT).

It is a misconception that if there are fewer children you can provide better education and quality life to your child:

However, its worth notable that one never knows which child could be a blessing from the Creator for the family. It is quite possible that the child, which the parents anticipate to be a bane, may turn out to be a boon for the family and the society. History bears witness to the fact that many of the great scientists, thinkers and revolutionaries were not from only amongst the first two children of their parents.

Thus the child whom the parents consider unwanted may be a blessing to the family religiously and economically.
With regards to the claim of the people who say that the growth in population increases poverty, this was mainly based on Malthusian’s theory. This theory states that, to maintain prosperity and welfare of human race, its increase should be checked to correspond with the production of foodstuff.

But now we have realized that Malthusian’s theory has been proved wrong and there is no shortage of food grains. Moreover, in spite of the amount of verse arable land and numerous mineral resources in Nigeria uses in agriculture, there is still much more land in Nigeria, which can, with little more efforts in fertilizing it through the proper means be utilized in agriculture thus producing more food grains. It would be interesting to note that population density of Holland and Denmark is about four to five times more than that of Nigeria.

Nevertheless the living conditions of the people there is far better off (economically) than in Nigeria.

Besides, even if one faces difficulties in upbringing of children, one should always remember that in these hardships could be a test from Allah as this life is a test for the hereafter.

*Allah says in the Qur’an: “He Who created Death and Life that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might Oft-Forgiving” [Al Qur’an 67: 2]

*Allah also says: “Be sure We shall test you with something of fear and hunger some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil) but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.” [Al Qur’an 2 :155]

Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an “And they plotted and planned and Allah too planned and the best of planners is Allah (swt)” (Al-Qur’an 3:54).

If you feel you can plan the family better, the choice is yours or else leave it to Allah (swt) to do the best planning for your family.

Allah knows the best. Knowledge is Light & Power.

Salaamualykum my dear brother,it seems u myt b mixing somtns up,derz a diffrence betwn abortn wat has being conceived n preventing conception in d frst place, IUDs dont work by aborting a conceived zygote,matter of fact,its mechanism of actiin is yet to be known. N islam's point of view is against taking life not against ur method of preventing conception just as in d Quran:"Do not KILL" ur children.....,u cnt begn to kill wat has no life in d frst place

U should have mention him and not quote everything sister.

Abuuthamee Mr jabata abeg if you don't have any reasonable suggestion to make just kip kwaet

Ssthorm:



Salaamualykum my dear brother,it seems u myt b mixing somtns up,derz a diffrence betwn abortn wat has being conceived n preventing conception in d frst place, IUDs dont work by aborting a conceived zygote,matter of fact,its mechanism of actiin is yet to be known. N islam's point of view is against taking life not against ur method of preventing conception just as in d Quran:"Do not KILL" ur children.....,u cnt begn to kill wat has no life in d frst place

SPERM DOES HAVE LIFE. . . THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ALLAH FORBID WITHDRAWAL METHOD . .talkless of zygot or what it is called.i do not know much about it. .what one thing is for sure, from sperm processing till infant..everything has life in it. . .

AbuUthaymeen:
SPERM DOES HAVE LIFE. . . THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ALLAH FORBID WITHDRAWAL METHOD . .talkless of zygot or what it is called.i do not know much about it. .what one thing is for sure, from sperm processing till infant..everything has life in it. . .

My dear brother, what n where or how does sperm begin to qualify as having life? If at all i want to agree dt its tru der is life in sperm,it will only mean that all men dat are not married and hav no intercourse r constantly killing dier children. Lets think it this way, everyday spermatogenesis happens,n it takes bout 70-74days for 1 cell to mature, if dese cells r not ejaculated, dey degenerate n are re-absorbed in d body n d cycle continues which is same as every cell in d body, wen dey outlive dier days dey die, d sperm cell isnt any different. Going by ur judgement,u will den say for everytime a woman menstruates,she has murdered a soul! Cuz she ddnt allow fertilization happen?? This is totally off! Dere is no life until gametes are fused!!

AbuUthaymeen:
SPERM DOES HAVE LIFE. . . THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ALLAH FORBID WITHDRAWAL METHOD . .talkless of zygot or what it is called.i do not know much about it. .what one thing is for sure, from sperm processing till infant..everything has life in it. . .

My dear brother, what n where or how does sperm begin to qualify as having life? If at all i want to agree dt its tru der is life in sperm,it will only mean that all men dat are not married and hav no intercourse r constantly killing dier children. Lets think it this way, everyday spermatogenesis happens, hav u tot 2 ur self what happens to dese cells dt r not being ejaculated? if dese cells r not ejaculated, dey degenerate n are re-absorbed in d body n d cycle continues which is same as every cell in d body, wen dey outlive dier days dey die, d sperm cell isnt any different. Going by ur judgement,u will den say for everytime a woman menstruates,she has murdered a soul! Cuz she ddnt allow fertilization happen?? This is totally off! Dere is no life until gametes are fused!!

Ssthorm:


My dear brother, what n where or how does sperm begin to qualify as having life? If at all i want to agree dt its tru der is life in sperm,it will only mean that all men dat are not married and hav no intercourse r constantly killing dier children. Lets think it this way, everyday spermatogenesis happens,n it takes bout 70-74days for 1 cell to mature, if dese cells r not ejaculated, dey degenerate n are re-absorbed in d body n d cycle continues which is same as every cell in d body, wen dey outlive dier days dey die, d sperm cell isnt any different. Going by ur judgement,u will den say for everytime a woman menstruates,she has murdered a soul! Cuz she ddnt allow fertilization happen?? This is totally off! Dere is no life until gametes are fused!!

1. the reason i said sperm has life is i have once seen a documentary showing sperm having something like toad swimming in it.. that is evidence of life. . . . . . gwoq

Ssthorm:


My dear brother, what n where or how does sperm begin to qualify as having life? If at all i want to agree dt its tru der is life in sperm,it will only mean that all men dat are not married and hav no intercourse r constantly killing dier children. Lets think it this way, everyday spermatogenesis happens, hav u tot 2 ur self what happens to dese cells dt r not being ejaculated? if dese cells r not ejaculated, dey degenerate n are re-absorbed in d body n d cycle continues which is same as every cell in d body, wen dey outlive dier days dey die, d sperm cell isnt any different. Going by ur judgement,u will den say for everytime a woman menstruates,she has murdered a soul! Cuz she ddnt allow fertilization happen?? This is totally off! Dere is no life until gametes are fused!!

2. NOT HAVING SEX STILL KEEPS THE SPERM ALIVE. 3. MASTURBATION, WITHDRAWAL METHOD KILLS AND WASTE THE SPERM.. its absolutely same as killing..coz sperm does have life

Ssthorm:


My dear brother, what n where or how does sperm begin to qualify as having life? If at all i want to agree dt its tru der is life in sperm,it will only mean that all men dat are not married and hav no intercourse r constantly killing dier children. Lets think it this way, everyday spermatogenesis happens,n it takes bout 70-74days for 1 cell to mature, if dese cells r not ejaculated, dey degenerate n are re-absorbed in d body n d cycle continues which is same as every cell in d body, wen dey outlive dier days dey die, d sperm cell isnt any different. Going by ur judgement,u will den say for everytime a woman menstruates,she has murdered a soul! Cuz she ddnt allow fertilization happen?? This is totally off! Dere is no life until gametes are fused!!

1.Sperm n0t released isnt sperm.means it has no life. 2. gamates arent sperm right? i dont understand gamates o.but i sha know sperm has life coz ALLAH said it, science tried to prove it also..f

AbuUthaymeen:
1.Sperm n0t released isnt sperm.means it has no life. 2. gamates arent sperm right? i dont understand gamates o.but i sha know sperm has life coz ALLAH said it, science tried to prove it also..f

Pls where in Allah's book did He say sperm has life. I will love to b referenced. Jazaakallah

Ssthorm:


Pls where in Allah's book did He say sperm has life. I will love to b referenced. Jazaakallah

IN THOSE HADITH REFRENCES I POSTED. . LIKE 4 OR 5

AbuUthaymeen:
2. NOT HAVING SEX STILL KEEPS THE SPERM ALIVE. 3. MASTURBATION, WITHDRAWAL METHOD KILLS AND WASTE THE SPERM.. its absolutely same as killing..coz sperm does have life

Ok. Mayb i think u should know ds too: do u know dat, averagely,per ejaculate, dere are about 200-500mill sperm cells n only one fertilizes d egg, n do u know dat d rest out of all dese millions die within d womb?? U jst cnt b serz about this.
Remeber in some narrations of d hadith where d sahabas were away frm dier wives n were involved wt female captives n were axn about azl,d prophet neither condemned nor encouraged d act, rather he made dem know dt, whatever soul dt has being ordained by Allah to come to life will,whether withdrawal or not.
So all dese dont come in to play,saying killn sperm cells is murder! Menstruation will also be murder den

Rasul said every form of family planning..carlendar,meds,injecTions,withdrawal method and all other form of family planning..its same as killing and murdering kids. . c0mparing it to murder simply means "it"(sperm has life) ..... and s0mewhere in quran, ALLAH said adam is fr0m dust and we are fr0m sperm ... our own life emanates, dies fr0m sperm production... and any attempt to st0p the sperm from c0ming out of our b0dy 0r wasting it after or before coming out is also same as killing. . . #like people do say, using c0nd0m and every other family planning method might have just easily stopped neymar fr0m being b0rn. . .#during neymar transfer to psg#. .am sure u heard of it too... what they are saying is sperm is life. .anyway of denying it is same as preventing its existence which is same as murdering him. . . . . . . . . . . .ALLAH knows all. . . . .f2itsnpour

AbuUthaymeen:
IN THOSE HADITH REFRENCES I POSTED. . LIKE 4 OR 5

0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Sahih Muslim 1438

Where does Allah say dere is life in sperm,no where

Ssthorm:



Ok. Mayb i think u should know ds too: do u know dat, averagely,per ejaculate, dere are about 200-500mill sperm cells n only one fertilizes d egg, n do u know dat d rest out of all dese millions die within d womb?? U jst cnt b serz about this.
Remeber in some narrations of d hadith where d sahabas were away frm dier wives n were involved wt female captives n were axn about azl,d prophet neither condemned nor encouraged d act, rather he made dem know dt, whatever soul dt has being ordained by Allah to come to life will,whether withdrawal or not.
So all dese dont come in to play,saying killn sperm cells is murder! Menstruation will also be murder den

I understand u.forget science.aint reliable in matterz of islam.quran and hadith are reliable.Yes sahabah does withdrawal method before but rasul later forbids it in those hadith in like 7 narrations..i have mentioned it.MENSES have n0thing to do with this discussion

Ssthorm:


0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

THIS HADITH IS FOR PREGNANCES that came even after doing family planning and also birth that happens even abortion has been tried on it and also failed family planning..tHIs is about qadar. Quote 52010 BUKHARI

AbuUthaymeen:
I understand u.forget science.aint reliable in matterz of islam.quran and hadith are reliable.Yes sahabah does withdrawal method before but rasul later forbids it in those hadith in like 7 narrations..i have mentioned it.MENSES have n0thing to do with this discussion

My dear brother wallahi,i know am still learning n will still learn more,in sha Allah, bt it myt suprise u to know dat if ders anytn dat makes me appreciate d religion islam d more,is because it makes soo much sense to science facts, wallahi

Ssthorm:


My dear brother wallahi,i know am still learning n will still learn more,in sha Allah, bt it myt suprise u to know dat if ders anytn dat makes me appreciate d religion islam d more,is because it makes soo much sense to science facts, wallahi

Quran and hadith and islam and rasul IS WHAT PROVES SCIENCE TO BE RIGHT. . .not that science proves ALLAH or rasul to be right. . quran said earth is flat, i d0nt care what science says.. i am standing with quran. . Rasul says diseases(ebola,hiv and other transmittable diseases)f can only spread if ALLAH wants. .i do n0t care what science says. .thats who and what a muslim should be. .STAND WITH QURAN AND HADITHS ALONE. .d

AbuUthaymeen:
Quran and hadith and islam and rasul IS WHAT PROVES SCIENCE TO BE RIGHT. . .not that science proves ALLAH or rasul to be right. . quran said earth is flat, i d0nt care what science says.. i am standing with quran. . Rasul says diseases(ebola,hiv and other transmittable diseases)f can only spread if ALLAH wants. .i do n0t care what science says. .thats who and what a muslim should be. .STAND WITH QURAN AND HADITHS ALONE. .d

Lol.. u got me wrong, wat i was sayn was, Quran goes in tandem wt science facts,Nywaiz i neva tot u were anti-science bt now i understnd ur views..may Allah deepen us in knowledge n understndng. Ameen

Salama alyakum, Mr. Moderator I appreciate your comment and advise not to barred me from posting thread. Thank you sir,
I also appreciate all those who comment and criticize the thread so as I can get inspired and subsequently post good and appreciable thread hence forth. I say thank you all, please.

Mr. Moderator, I kindly request you, if you can delete this thread, to avoid too many controversy I shall appreciate it. Thus I have learnt a lot from this thread. Thank you for your anticipated response.

AbuUthaymeen:
RASUL LATER FORBID IT. . let me go copy the isnad . .AM COMING. .BUKHARI 52010, MUSLIM, 1438,1439,1442 and other hadiths that follows that 1442 hadiths . . withdrawal method is absolutely same as killing human being and murdering human being and also buring kids alive. . proven by those hadiths. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . all those hadith i quote proves it that withdrawal method is absolutely haram and its killing..the hadith you quote has been abrogated by the hadiths i just quoted. . . . . . .4tjust mg

Muslim 1438


Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him):
0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (ﷺ), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Muslim 1439:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said:
I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.

Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a person came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said:

I do 'azi with my wife. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (saws) said: Why do you do that? The person said: I fear harm to her child or her children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) said: If that were harmful it would harm the Persians and the Greeks.


Some of the hadiths quoted. If you had said disliked, I would have understood sef. However withdrawal method isn't 100% safe so one can still get pregnant.

But to say it's haram. SMH.

Besides I am not replying to argue with you abuuthaymeen, I wouldn't even bother. But I see people saying this about it being absolutely haram. Without considering the health of their wives and kids.

A woman will be giving birth every year until her body decides to rebel. Even to take care of the kids is war.
So a woman is supposed to breastfeed for 2 yrs and not plan her family. So by the time one child is 1 yrs old, the child already has a sibling. Do we know how difficult it is to breastfeed and be pregnant at the same time Absolutely not. It's just for the men to be shouting haram haram everyday.

How's wasting sperm burying kids alive. Then when you have wet dreams, pack it and go and look for who to pour it in. Smh