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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segadem(m): 1:36pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz:Willian and Hazard were the case subject and he said he will choose 11 Willians over hazard |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 1:39pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
I would go with FBS here.. 11 Willians over 11 hazards anytime any day. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:40pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: For what it's worth, I also believe a team of Willians beats a team of Hazards, purely because Willian is more of a generalist player, while Hazard is a specialist 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 1:40pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz:Ko si problem. We go equalize soon enough. Una go soon come buy Smalling and Ashley Young |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:41pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: Who will be your starting front three in the image below?
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 1:43pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Skimpledawg:scenes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:45pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Segadem: diggz: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:47pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Lana1:z god forbid!!!! Lana tk time o! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:48pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Nihilist: Exactly the point FBS was trying to make. Thank you. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 1:54pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: Firstly, there is no need to eject the specificity of the debate. It is a straight Hazard/Willian one. On the topic, bearing in mind the qualities of just those two players, what is wrong with the statement is that it is made on the assumption that that a team of Hazard cannot/will not defend. And that's not true. Secondly, I always lean on the side of technical flexibility. A team of Hazards can be taught how to defend tactically because they have a high technical ceiling. And then there's no use over flogging the potency of their attack. Whereas a team of Willians will keep running around looking like they are doing a lot, when in actual fact there are average defenders and very poor attackers. Unfortunately they cannot be taught how to attack. Their technical ability is limited. So No; It's not what I want to see. It's a debate of technical ability and flexibility. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:00pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
airmark: Hazard - morata - willian. I actually prefer pedro playing from the left side of the field. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 2:09pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Goodnuel:Your opinion though. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:27pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
SailorXY:$100. Chelsea Wins.. Are u Game? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bimffo(m): 2:31pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
^^^^ Diggz con refer this match. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:31pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
nateevs: Bearing in mind the qualities of just those two players, it is not a wrong assumption that a team of Hazard cannot/will not defend. It is simply a fact. They are mentally not wired to labour for 90mins or do the dirty job for 90mins even though you want us to believe they can be taught. When mou was busy forcing players like hazard to do more defensively we were here reading epistles on how he was being shackled with defensive duties. epistles on how he should be freed to create more,score more blah blah blah blah.......bros I really cannot see how a team of hazard even when taught to defend will do better than that of willian. We can argue higher ceiling and what not....but I have seen great teams filled with special talents who couldn't compete or do anything against a team of runners or workaholics like Willian. Take a look at klops liverpool vs arsenal as at last week for example....where is the hazard type of player in that team? All I saw was 11 willing runners....willing to run for 90mins,fight for each ball,win tackles etc... Now.....i am not trying to downplay the effect hazard brings to the team however we shouldn't forget that, we only had willing runners against spurs not too long ago and we came out victorious. 14 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:32pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Xlpacks: Airmark pls we need your help here |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 2:37pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
nateevs: How did you arrive at the bolded conclusions? Anyway that apart. The comparison FBS made, I believe, is what both players can offer right now NOT what they can be taught to do. And I'm with him on this. 11 Willians right now will win 11 Hazards. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:38pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz:Yes.. I'm ready to stake |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:48pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
timbros: chelseafan1 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 2:51pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
nateevs: I believe you're getting him wrong. Willian is actually a good attacker who also complements with that aspect with good work rate which is what every team needs. A team of workaholics will always supersede a team with just skills and flair. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:58pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
If chelsea after knocking out a brilliant barca team and went ahead to destroy bayern in their stadium, sending their fans into serious mourning, 11 willians can do that to 11 hazards. But we all know the difference between apple and mango. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:06pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Xlpacks: SailorXY Ur man says he can do 100bucks.... kindly revert if you are ok with it. We can choose airmark,f funlord or Nihilist to keep your bets. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 3:06pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:09pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Oga hafa? Na sallah things today o! No kan cause wahala with hazard matter for here. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segadem(m): 3:10pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
willing Willian willing to �run |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:11pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Funlordjnr: 3:15pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: Ah! Sailorxy don't let me down.....lets take their Russian roubles no matter how little it may seem since swansea arsenal Juve and everton refused to! I am even adding N1k extra for sailor! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 3:19pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
diggz: This whole post is a lie. Let me break it down. 1. Fundamental mistake. There will be, in this hypothetical debate, 11 Hazards on the pitch; meaning one player in each position for a team of 11. This is not to be confused with the hypothetical "Hazard" who doesn't run back. Unless you are telling me that for some reason, you think all 11 Hazards will be on the left wing, with cigars in their hands, refusing to go back to their positions. You can see where this is going. On the other hand, you cannot teach 11 Willians to score and assist in high numbers; no matter what hypothesis we throw in the mix. Whereas, given that there will be a Hazard in every position, they can be taught to defend. 2. You saw the long epistles because there were 10 runners and 1 Hazard. The epistle was not to stop Hazard from running, but running all the way to the back to defend alongside the left back. Why? Well, because Hazard has the potential to score 20 goals in his best season but Willian cannot score more than 4. So it's just wise to let Willian run and let Hazard off some running; let him be a danger and let him score and assist. 3. You cannot use isolated instances of a team of runners to show that they can consistently out-performance a team of skillful players. Pick one team, a team of all consistent runners and no prolific players. Then show me where they have consistently performed and consistently outperformed a team of prolific players with less runners and you get £100. There's none. Instead, what you will find, are isolated cases and I don't consider that as ample empirical evidence to support this point. 4. This point is nearly fraudulent. Liverpool players are runners but they are not Willians. Firminio, Coutinhos, Manes, Sturidges, might be runners, but it doesn't prove your point. They were able to destroy Arsenal because they are prolific. Again, they are not Willians. To stress again. Willians run about without anything to show for it. 11 Willians don't win games but 11 Willians work hard. In fact, they find themselves in interesting positions but they cannot make anything of it. So they lose the game in the dying minute to the creativity of a better player. Firminio was not even a consistent runner before joining Liverpool. Coutinho was nearly a waste-man in Italy. Klopp has turned him into a player who now knows how to defend "from the front" by way of pressing; whilst still remaining extremely prolific. Can Klopp teach Willian to assist and score? Simple. 5. Of course no one of us is looking for an entire 11 filled with strictly either Hazards or Willians; it's supposed to be intelliegent debate describing how each party's ability could enable them to win a game. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:20pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
Funlordjnr: Weyrey Una almost throw party for here yesterday....unto wetin na? Even arsenal thread no gather the kind crowd wey dey here to mock us Thank God for zappacosta and h2o....na how we for use survive for here as at today before? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 3:21pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
jaysmallz:You posted this the first time we ignored. This is the second time and we still insist, you won't get those likes. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 3:23pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
everybody wan dey bet in dollars like say na USA dem dey, even the ones wey dey mushin sef dey call dollars 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 3:26pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
airmark: In isolated cases, yes. Consistently, NO! 1 Like |
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