oyb:



there was this bizarre claim where we would pay for materials delivered to site, and still be expected to pay full price for finished product. the QS kept saying that was the standard and that if i was a QS i would understand . maybe you guys could explain that standard to me ?

You people have been meeting different types of QS's .That claim is mehn..... dont know what to say.

oyb:


the key roles of a QS (quantity takeoff, cost estimation) have been overtaken by technology.

you can spit out an entire BOM [architectural, m&e the whole nine yards using modern software.

the other disciplines on a project require some degree of imagination; which is why the client may provide a design brief stating their expectations. lifting of material measurement from a design does not require imagination - all it requires is automation. if you, like most other professionals, are expanding your portfolio of capabilities then no problem, but if you are focusing on the traditional roles of QS - good luck to you.

you should also note that invariably technology kills off professions





it comes back to what i said earlier. your architect or engineer provides a design. the design is a product of talent/imagination/experience. which is why several design solutions can arise from a single brief. however, the estimates/Bill of materials that will come from a design will roughly be the same




i don't think this; i know this.



if you do not continue to develop yourself, that is exactly what will happen. at any point you must be able to demonstrate to your client why you are a better choice.

interestingly, on the last project i handled, the contractor's project manager was an experienced QS, and we went head to head on their numerous variation claims. at every instance they made inflated claims - some were 'typos'; some were double claims;some were over measurements; but we were able to ensure that they could only claim what they were owed.

there was this bizarre claim where we would pay for materials delivered to site, and still be expected to pay full price for finished product. the QS kept saying that was the standard and that if i was a QS i would understand . maybe you guys could explain that standard to me ?

I only joined this argument because you spoke ill of an entire profession.
Just because I put up quotations does not make me a QS. Do not mistake that.

bixton:



I only joined this argument because you spoke ill of an entire profession.
Just because I put up quotations does not make me a QS. Do not mistake that.

i did not speak ill of the profession. i stated my personal opinion that the profession is dying as a result of being superseded by contemporary technology.

kino47:
Dear Nairalanders
I just discovered another popular builder that's a fraudster on this thread am gathering up all my evidence against him, will post soon.
What I have gotten to realize is intending builders Get carried away by pictures all the time sometimes it's part of the game.
Secondly this guys know themselves most of them (engineers)on this thread, when Spyder the builder came out clean showing us cost and details some of them where not comfortable am sure they called him to stop it. These particular builder almost finished me but I will be the one to finish him before he does please hold while I gather all my evidence.

NOTE:it's not compulsory you recruit from Nairaland you can learn from Nairaland without recruiting I tell u

Any person who claims to be an engineer/builder and who complains when another puts up cost estimates and pix of work done on this thread is not fit to go by such title. That person is very unfit.

oyb:


i did not speak ill of the profession. i stated my personal opinion that the profession is dying as a result of being superseded by contemporary technology.

do you know chinese are now building robot and drones with AI that would be able to supervise construction projects. Soon the civil engineering profession would soon become extinct. Does that mean civil engineers would soon become irrelevant NO.

So because of QS PRO, primus estimates and other estimating software A WHOLE. QS PROFESSION CANNOT DIE.

oyb:


i did not speak ill of the profession. i stated my personal opinion that the profession is dying as a result of being superseded by contemporary technology.

Okay. Noted.
QS......you have been duly notified. Please do not allow Optimus Prime take away your jobs.

bixton:


Okay. Noted.
QS......you have been duly notified. Please do not allow Optimus Prime take away your jobs.

Abeg leave that guy.If I dont finish that guy I wont leave this thread

raymondFirstborn:


do you know chinese are now building robot and drones with AI that would be able to supervise construction projects. Soon the civil engineering profession would soon become extinct. Does that mean civil engineers would soon become irrelevant NO.

So because of QS PRO, primus estimates and other estimating software A WHOLE. QS PROFESSION CANNOT DIE.

reposting . . .

the other disciplines on a project require some degree of imagination; which is why the client may provide a design brief stating their expectations. lifting of material measurement from a design does not require imagination - all it requires is automation. if you, like most other professionals, are expanding your portfolio of capabilities then no problem, but if you are focusing on the traditional roles of QS - good luck to you.

do you know chinese are now building robot and drones with AI that would be able to supervise construction projects. Soon the civil engineering profession would soon become extinct

dude abeg post links.

this is what i found:

http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/commercial-drone-construction-industry/
https://nypost.com/2016/11/21/this-home-building-robot-will-take-your-construction-job/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/construction-robotics-3d-printing-mit-technology-1.4086174

and it comes back to the same thing i have said multiple times on this thread. job roles will be overtaken by technology, and you have no choice but to adapt.

plumbing and water supply contractor.

from your sig. hmmmmm.

raymondFirstborn:


Abeg leave that guy.If I dont finish that guy I wont leave this thread

Everyone has and is entitled to his/her opinion.
We are all learning. Accept what is good and dump the rest in the bin.

oyb:


i did not speak ill of the profession. i stated my personal opinion that the profession is dying as a result of being superseded by contemporary technology.

Cambridge, Mass. – February 13, 2014 –
On the plains of Namibia, millions of tiny termites are building a mound of soil—an 8-foot-tall “lung” for their underground nest. During a year of construction, many termites will live and die, wind and rain will erode the structure, and yet the colony’s life-sustaining project will continue.
Inspired by the termites’ resilience and collective intelligence, a team of computer scientists and engineers at the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) and the Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering at Harvard University has created an autonomous robotic construction crew. The system needs no supervisor, no eye in the sky, and no communication: just simple robots—any number of robots—that cooperate by modifying their environment.
https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2014/02/robotic-construction-crew-needs-no-foreman

raymondFirstborn:


Cambridge, Mass. – February 13, 2014 –
On the plains of Namibia, millions of tiny termites are building a mound of soil—an 8-foot-tall “lung” for their underground nest. During a year of construction, many termites will live and die, wind and rain will erode the structure, and yet the colony’s life-sustaining project will continue.
Inspired by the termites’ resilience and collective intelligence, a team of computer scientists and engineers at the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) and the Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering at Harvard University has created an autonomous robotic construction crew. The system needs no supervisor, no eye in the sky, and no communication: just simple robots—any number of robots—that cooperate by modifying their environment.
https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2014/02/robotic-construction-crew-needs-no-foreman

do you know chinese are now building robot and drones with AI that would be able to supervise construction projects. Soon the civil engineering profession would soon become extinct

why are you falling hand - you are posting links to research projects. i thought you would be posting links to actual execution in the wild/field. instead you are posting on prototypes that may or may not make it out of the lab and into actual use. nothing in this speaks to your original post.

rather than make a clear case for the continued relevance of QS, you are all over the place trying to attack what you assume is my profession by making insinuations that it is at risk

you appear not to have any idea of the role of engineers and architects. or are you like most nigerians who actually think the work is in execution and not the planning before execution?

raymondFirstborn:

do you still need the estimates?

yes i do...can hou help?

raymondFirstborn:

do you still need the estimates?

yes i do...can hou help?

oyb:


reposting . . .

dude abeg post links.

this is what i found:

http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/commercial-drone-construction-industry/
https://nypost.com/2016/11/21/this-home-building-robot-will-take-your-construction-job/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/construction-robotics-3d-printing-mit-technology-1.4086174

and it comes back to the same thing i have said multiple times on this thread. job roles will be overtaken by technology, and you have no choice but to adapt.

from your sig. hmmmmm.

Thanks for the links, especially the NYPost one.

oyb:


and it comes back to the same thing i have said multiple times on this thread. job roles will be overtaken by technology, and you have no choice but to adapt.


from your sig. hmmmmm.

Well theres nothing bad with whats on my signature. Am a QS working in a QS Firm,
i also run my own contracting firm on the side.

kino47:
Dear Nairalanders
I just discovered another popular builder that's a fraudster on this thread am gathering up all my evidence against him, will post soon.
What I have gotten to realize is intending builders Get carried away by pictures all the time sometimes it's part of the game.
Secondly this guys know themselves most of them (engineers)on this thread, when Spyder the builder came out clean showing us cost and details some of them where not comfortable am sure they called him to stop it. These particular builder almost finished me but I will be the one to finish him before he does please hold while I gather all my evidence.

NOTE:it's not compulsory you recruit from Nairaland you can learn from Nairaland without recruiting I tell u

hmmm....first it was brabus u called out...waiting to know who this is now

luvablesam:

yes i do...can hou help?

what are the details of the structure .square meter,if possible archi drawings and structural drawings if available.

oyb:


you appear not to have any idea of the role of engineers and architects. or are you like most nigerians who actually think the work is in execution and not the planning before execution?

Lol I laugh you. let me shock you my Aunt is a principal Architect in a federal govt ministry (infrastructure ) my dad was a one time HOD of the building technology dept and former Dean of a the Environmental studies faculty LASPOTECH and currently runs a facility management firm, my mum retired secretary elect elect DEPT GATEWAY POLY IGBESA.
My senior Brother is also an architect just finished his MSC....My dads sister civil engineer. Current runs her construction co in BAYELSA.

AND I AM A PROUD QS FROM LASPOTECH
GREATEST NIQS!!!!!

So theres nothing you can even come and tell me. NOW ABOUT QS. THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TO TELL YOUR KIDS NOT TO STUDY QS

I know people can dig up Calculations from the internet or softwares, and people can claim Architects are the most important, but One thing is for sure, you cannot dispute the fact that every profession has its uses and if all profession are together in one project, the project we be better off than if some where missing.

raymondFirstborn:


Lol I laugh you. let me shock you my Aunt is a principal Architect in a federal govt ministry (infrastructure ) my dad was a one time HOD of the building technology dept and former Dean of a the Environmental studies faculty LASPOTECH and currently runs a facility management firm, my mum retired secretary elect elect DEPT GATEWAY POLY IGBESA.
My senior Brother is also an architect just finished his MSC....My dads sister civil engineer. Current runs her construction co in BAYELSA.

AND I AM A PROUD QS FROM LASPOTECH
GREATEST NIQS!!!!!

So theres nothing you can even come and tell me. NOW ABOUT QS. THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TO TELL YOUR KIDS NOT TO STUDY QS

so i am supposed to be impressed by an army of government and university employees?

my experience with govt agency reps is always the same - settle us or we will slam these outdated rules that we do not understand down your throat.

please do tell how much our nigerian public universities have contributed to the practice of engineering in nigeria
is it those arrogant old men who are still referencing 70s textbooks, forcing handouts on students, using drawing board and tee square that are supposed to impress me?
you are not even calling big name units, but institutes i have to google to figure out where they are

your attempt at bragging is only exposing you further.

skimanski:
I know people can dig up Calculations from the internet or softwares, and people can claim Architects are the most important, but One thing is for sure, you cannot dispute the fact that every profession has its uses and if all profession are together in one project, the project we be better off than if some where missing.

So for my 2 bedroom shitshack that I'm managing I should hire a QS, structural engineer, mechanical engineer, electrical engineer?

Jesu Olugbala o

EgunMogaji:

So for my 2 bedroom shitshack that I'm managing I should hire a QS, structural engineer, mechanical engineer, electrical engineer?

Jesu Olugbala o

Egun Boss.... you are..... Not even sure what name to call you. But I don laugh enter gutter o. LOL!
And that your wahala man in the Meme always get me.

Hajji M.

oyb:


so i am supposed to be impressed by an army of government and university employees?

my experience with govt agency reps is always the same - settle us or we will slam these outdated rules that we do not understand down your throat.

please do tell how much our nigerian public universities have contributed to the practice of engineering in nigeria
is it those arrogant old men who are still referencing 70s textbooks, forcing handouts on students, using drawing board and tee square that are supposed to impress me?
you are not even calling big name units, but institutes i have to google to figure out where they are

your attempt at bragging is only exposing you further.

But come o, we dont need to fight.We can be of help to each other if you know what I mean.

skimanski:
I know people can dig up Calculations from the internet or softwares, and people can claim Architects are the most important, but One thing is for sure, you cannot dispute the fact that every profession has its uses and if all profession are together in one project, the project we be better off than if some where missing.

the funny thing is the arguments i would have expected our learned QS to make , he failed to make; instead he got his knickers in a bunch.

the first argument against software/technology is garbage in garbage out - yes a layman may be able to use software to do some designs, but if it is not backed up with experience and industry knowledge, you may get unusable / impracticable/useless results. software is not a replacement but a complement. you must have a clear knowledge of the basics and an idea of the expected result, the legal requirements, the institutional standards etal

for large projects core professionals are required. you can probably get away with an experienced and principled electrician/plumber/bricklayer on a domestic build; it becomes more risky on a commercial build. and on big projects, everyone wants to ensure the blame for any eff up is spread widely, so the more the merrier.

EgunMogaji:


So for my 2 bedroom shitshack that I'm managing I should hire a QS, structural engineer, mechanical engineer, electrical engineer?

Jesu Olugbala o

My Oga i no talk so ooo.

Without Architect sef you can still get it done. Its just easier and it serves its goal when everybody is complete. Imagine say you even Carry Geologist come do ground test before you start that your house

oyb:


the funny thing is the arguments i would have expected our learned QS to make , he failed to make; instead he got his knickers in a bunch.

the first argument against software/technology is garbage in garbage out - yes a layman may be able to use software to do some designs, but if it is not backed up with experience and industry knowledge, you may get unusable /useless results. software is not a replacement but a complement. you must have a clear knowledge of the basics and an idea of the expected result, the legal requirements, the institutional standards

for large projects core professionals are required. you can probably get away with an experienced and principled electrician/plumber/bricklayer on a domestic build; it becomes more risky on a commercial build. and one big projects, everyone wants to ensure the blame for any eff up is spread widely, so the more the merrier.

Two fingers in air.
Atleast now we now we know your a civil engineer.I understand what you've been trying to say.In the construction industry collective effort is required for big commercial,residential and industrial projects. For small project we can let go.These days brickayers in my area now call themselves engineers, they even supervise 3 Storey building projects .Most of them dont even know who a QS is,I tell them I am an Engineer instead .Sometimes they even bring landsurveying projects for me, thankGod For my survey class back in school,I quickly rent a theodolite and get to work on the project.
Sometimes they even bring architectural jobs, sharp guy I collect the job grab my mouse and I get to work with AUTOCAD with OFFSET in my head,then I create 3D WITH REVIT OR DREAMPLAN.

#HUSSLE

raymondFirstborn:


Two fingers in air.
Atleast now we now we know your a civil engineer.I understand what you've been trying to say.In the construction industry collective effort is required for big commercial,residential and industrial projects. For small project we can let go.These days brickayers in my area now call themselves engineers, they even supervise 3 Storey building projects .Most of them dont even know who a QS is,I tell them I am an Engineer instead .Sometimes they even bring landsurveying projects for me, thankGod For my survey class back in school,I quickly rent a theodolite and get to work on the project.
Sometimes they even bring architectural jobs, sharp guy I collect the job grab my mouse and I get to work with AUTOCAD with OFFSET in my head,then I create 3D WITH REVIT OR DREAMPLAN.

#HUSSLE

no i am not a civil engineer. try again

Most of them dont even know who a QS is,I tell them I am an Engineer instead

by your own posts you are admitting your profession is dying/struggling - artisans dont know what it is.

Sometimes they even bring landsurveying projects for me, thankGod For my survey class back in school,I quickly rent a theodolite and get to work on the project.
Sometimes they even bring architectural jobs, sharp guy I collect the job grab my mouse and I get to work with AUTOCAD with OFFSET in my head,then I create 3D WITH REVIT OR DREAMPLAN.

you were getting hot and bothered about an architect saying he does boqs, but here you are proudly asserting that you are doing the same thing as those bricklayers and baba mufus that claim engineer.

I get to work with AUTOCAD with OFFSET in my head,then I create 3D WITH REVIT OR DREAMPLAN

the first argument against software/technology is garbage in garbage out - yes a layman may be able to use software to do some designs, but if it is not backed up with experience and industry knowledge, you may get unusable /useless results. software is not a replacement but a complement. you must have a clear knowledge of the basics and an idea of the expected result, the legal requirements, the institutional standards

awoof dey run belle - don't mess up your client by 'all na hussle' mentality. i am getting a vibe that you will also claim that you can do structural, electrical, mechanical to a client.

oyb:


no i am not a civil engineer. try again


by your own posts you are admitting your profession is dying/struggling - artisans dont know what it is.



you were getting hot and bothered about an architect saying he does boqs, but here you are proudly asserting that you are doing the same thing as those bricklayers and baba mufus that claim engineer.





awoof dey run belle - don't mess up your client by 'all na hussle' mentality. i am getting a vibe that you will also claim that you can do structural, electrical, mechanical to a client.

haba nawa for you o. I dont do all that have got limits.Now Let me tell you why they dont know QS. Its because QS is not an everyday profession like ARCHI and civil.QUANTITY SURVEYORS ARE BIG BOYS that's why if you see any QS looking lean and skinny theres something wrong EXCEPT if its a young QS.

SECONDLY QS's dont make noise, have you ever heard of CODED MONEY that's what we earn.

raymondFirstborn:


haba nawa for you o. I dont do all that have got limits.Now Let me tell you why they dont know QS. Its because QS is not an everyday profession like ARCHI and civil.QUANTITY SURVEYORS ARE BIG BOYS that's why if you see any QS looking lean and skinny theres something wrong EXCEPT if its a young QS.

SECONDLY QS's dont make noise, have you ever heard of CODED MONEY that's what we earn.

Sometimes they even bring landsurveying projects for me, thankGod For my survey class back in school,I quickly rent a theodolite and get to work on the project.
Sometimes they even bring architectural jobs, sharp guy I collect the job grab my mouse and I get to work with AUTOCAD with OFFSET in my head,then I create 3D WITH REVIT OR DREAMPLAN.

the hussle you're engaging in does not speak to QS being big boys. even more so as you are throwing in architect, builder, contractor, plumber , designer. if your profession brought in that much money, you would be focused on it, rather than chasing so many other jobs. it doesn't even sound as if your job is that challenging if you have that much free time, unless of course you are engaging in copy and paste without review/understanding.

SECONDLY QS's dont make noise, have you ever heard of CODED MONEY that's what we earn.

you mean kickbacks from contractors in exchange for selective interpretation of project clauses.

oyb:




the hussle you're engaging in does not speak to QS being big boys. even more so as you are throwing in architect, builder, contractor, plumber , designer. if your profession brought in that much money, you would be focused on it, rather than chasing so many other jobs. it doesn't even sound as if your job is that challenging if you have that much free time, unless of course you are engaging in copy and paste without review/understanding.



you mean kickbacks from contractors in exchange for selective interpretation of project clauses.

Guy na you know o.Make I shutup before EFCC go come enter nairaland they seize assets.

oyb:




the hussle you're engaging in does not speak to QS being big boys. even more so as you are throwing in architect, builder, contractor, plumber , designer. if your profession brought in that much money, you would be focused on it, rather than chasing so many other jobs. it doesn't even sound as if your job is that challenging if you have that much free time, unless of course you are engaging in copy and paste without review/understanding.



you mean kickbacks from contractors in exchange for selective interpretation of project clauses.

Truth be told
Fixed salaries these days can feed anybody.In QS firms there are usually other QS's so salary is nothing to write home about.The bigboys are the ones in construction firms and government ministries.But egunje and side hustle is what keeps people like us moving.

oyb:




the hussle you're engaging in does not speak to QS being big boys. even more so as you are throwing in architect, builder, contractor, plumber , designer. if your profession brought in that much money, you would be focused on it, rather than chasing so many other jobs. it doesn't even sound as if your job is that challenging if you have that much free time, unless of course you are engaging in copy and paste without review/understanding.



you mean kickbacks from contractors in exchange for selective interpretation of project clauses.

In the QS profession you dont do copy and paste na gbese you want cause be dat EXCEPT IF THATS WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO .Every BOQ's done in a QS firm would pass through a vetting process for errors.