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Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 7:47am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

Why was Daniel 10times better than the Astrologers? Was it becos he was a better Astrologer or he obeyed Yahweh who commanded him never to go into those practices?

It may interest those who are reading you to note that, the reason Daniel was found better than the Astrologers and Magicians because he wouldn't defile himself with any Babylonian anything, be it food or Practices.
Daniel was so good of an astrologer that they made him chief of all the astrologers in babylon. in fact the wisdom of astrology was said to be the spirit of the holy gods and the wisdom of the gods.

daniel 5 vs 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners.

THE DUDE WAS THE CHIEF ASTROLOGER grin

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Re: The Middle Path by Chubhie: 8:02am On Sep 13, 2017
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First of all, what if you're told, there is negative "sorcery" and there is positive "sorcery"

Now, there is a sharp distinction, which is very simple, between each

That is, negative "sorcery" is any activity that bypasses God’s wisdom and power
The source is usually attributed to mytical gods and/or Satan instead.
Also most purveyors of this brand of sorcery have no great pride in Yeshua Ha Maisaich aka Jesus Christ
or hardly have any pleasure in acknowledging His divinity

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
- Genesis 2:7

Then the LORD God formed the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.
- Genesis 2:22

"House of Israel, can I not treat you as this potter treats his clay?"--this is the LORD's declaration.
"Just like clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, house of Israel.
- Jeremiah 18:6

Chubhie, about John 9:6
well, that was more of a re-enactment activity rather than sorcery per se
Spitting into mud and using it, was God going through a moment from the past again
God, was reliving a moment
That spitting into clay and using it, was a process of creation, re-created
It also was a testament that Yeshua Ha Maisaich aka Jesus Christ is God




Interesting..... would Matthew 17:27 pass as positive or negative sorcery?

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Re: The Middle Path by Chubhie: 8:04am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:
Now you call Astrology the truth? Ah, satan and his deception.
What am i being warned against? You need Jesus.
You wanted the Pleiadians insights about who Jesus Christ is right?

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Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:10am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
Daniel was so good of an astrologer that they made him chief of all the astrologers in babylon. in fact the wisdom of astrology was said to be the spirit of the holy gods and the wisdom of the gods.

daniel 5 vs 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners.
Oh Sukkot. This is your interpretation of this scriptures giving yourself grounds to practice sorcery?

Why was Daniel made Chief of these demons worshippers? This is why;

Daniel:2:47
The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods[/], and a [b]Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Have you seen the King ascribing superior powers to the [b]God of Daniel[/b]and not to the spirit of Astrology?

If you insist that the spirit of Astrology revealed to Daniel Nebuchadnezzar's dream? Why didn't it reveal the secrets to the Astrologers and Magicians who had practiced these Arts all their lives, but did to Daniel the Hebrew?

The Babylonian pagans didn't know Yahweh, so they referred to Him the holy gods.

The same Holy 'god' who wrote on the Wall but the same Astrologers with their wisdom, knowledge and everything you accord them could not read except the worshipper of the God Heaven and Earth.

pls stop with the dishonesty.

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Re: The Middle Path by MizMyColi(f): 8:12am On Sep 13, 2017
Good Morning LoJ.

I trust the night treated you well.

Just to clarify...

What is the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:14am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
lmao funny analice. well i hope you sleep good too.
Yes i did sir. Good morning. Hope you slept good?
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:16am On Sep 13, 2017
Chubhie:

You wanted the Pleiadians insights about who Jesus Christ is right?
For you, not for me. I know exactly who Jesus is. I don't need demons to tell me about Jesus.
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 8:19am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

Oh Sukkot. This is your interpretation of this scriptures giving yourself grounds to practice sorcery?

Why was Daniel made Chief of these demons worshippers? This is why;

Daniel:2:47
The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of king, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Have you seen the King ascribing superior powers to the God of Daniel and not to the spirit of Astrology?

If you insist that the spirit of Astrology revealed to Daniel Nebuchadnezzar's dream? Why didn't it reveal the secrets to the Astrologers and Magicians who had practiced these Arts all their lives, but did to Daniel the Hebrew?

The Babylonian pagans didn't know Yahweh, so they referred to Him the holy gods.

The same Holy 'god' who wrote on the Wall but the same Astrologers with their wisdom, knowledge and everything you accord them could not read except the worshipper of the God Heaven and Earth.

pls stop with the dishonesty.

Again you are being myopic in how you view the word of GOD. you have a very truncated perspective of the powers of the gods and you are hellbent on sticking to your myopic truncated pespective. again, if you read this verse the wisdom of astrology is compared to the wisdom of the holy gods. this is in the bible OK. i did not make this up

daniel 5 vs 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. <<< THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY gODS AND THE INTELLIGENCE AND WISDOM OF THE gODS. THIS IS ASTROLOGY.
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 8:21am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

Yes i did sir. Good morning. Hope you slept good?
Indeed I did. Top of the morning to you
Re: The Middle Path by Chubhie: 8:24am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

For you, not for me. I know exactly who Jesus is. I don't need demons to tell me about Jesus.
I understand you. Maybe we should revisit this in 5-10 years time to see if we can atleast agree on something?

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Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 8:25am On Sep 13, 2017
MizMyColi:
Good Morning LoJ.

I trust the night treated you well.

Just to clarify...

What is the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
just based on etymology alone, LUCIFER means a fallen entity. meaning someone who was once powerful but has now fallen. someone who has lost their power. SATAN means an adversary aka someone who is opposed to an ideal or laws that have been set. an opposer. so anyone can be an opposer. like when peter tried to oppose Jesus he said get thee behind me satan.
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:35am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
Again you are being myopic in how you view the word of GOD. you have a very truncated perspective of the powers of the gods and yo are hellbent on sticking to your myopic truncated pespective. again, if you read this verse the wisdom of astrology is compared to the wisdom of the holy gods. this is in the bible OK. i did not make this up

daniel 5 vs 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. <<< THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY gODS AND THE INTELLIGENCE AND WISDOM OF THE gODS. THIS IS ASTROLOGY.
Hahahahahahahahahaha. In other words, Yahweh is dishonest in His ways?

Deuteronomy:4:19
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

in Deut. 18:9-14 He said;

When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not[/b]learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto [b]observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Deuteronomy:17:3
And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

Sukkot, have you seen God saying those who do these things serves gods?

With this, you just declared that Daniel the Prophet served other gods.

Daniel was made the head of the Astrologers because he had an excellent spirit in him, what the other Astrologers didn't have. The in Daniel was never the Spirit of Astrology as you are trying to pass off.

pls stop being dishonest.
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:37am On Sep 13, 2017
Chubhie:

I understand you. Maybe we should revisit this in 5-10 years time to see if we can atleast agree on something?
If we can agree on what?
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 8:43am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

Hahahahahahahahahaha. In other words, Yahweh is dishonest in His ways?

Deuteronomy:4:19
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

in Deut. 18:9-14 He said;

When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt notlearn to do after the abominations of those nations.

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Deuteronomy:17:3
And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

Sukkot, have you seen God saying those who do these things serves gods?

With this, you just declared that Daniel the Prophet served other gods.

Daniel was made the head of the Astrologers because he had an excellent spirit in him, what the other Astrologers didn't have. The in Daniel was never the Spirit of Astrology as you are trying to pass off.

pls stop being dishonest.

Astrology is not a god. he wasnt worshipping or serving astrology. astrology is wisdom and all wisdom belongs to GOD

DANIEL 2 VS 20 "Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, For wisdom and power belong to Him.

JOB 12 VS 13 To God belong wisdom and power; counsel and understanding are his.
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 8:53am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
Astrology is not a god. he wasnt worshipping or serving astrology. astrology is wisdom and all wisdom belongs to GOD

DANIEL 2 VS 20 "Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, For wisdom and power belong to Him.

JOB 12 VS 13 To God belong wisdom and power; counsel and understanding are his.
In others Words, Yahweh warned his followers to stay away from His wisdom?

Sukkot, The Spirit in Daniel, was not the Spirit of Astrology.

You are hardly addressing my posts.

I post you scriptures, you jump over them.

Why did Jehovah warned us against Astrology?

Why did those who practiced these things brought them out and burnt them up when they became believers in Christ in Acts 19?
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 9:09am On Sep 13, 2017
MizMyColi:
Good Morning LoJ.

I trust the night treated you well.

Just to clarify...

What is the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
Here is what the Bible says; Revelation:12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old Serpent', called the Devil, and Satan which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Does it seem like they are different entities?
Re: The Middle Path by WrathOfHadez(m): 9:11am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
Again you are being myopic in how you view the word of GOD. you have a very truncated perspective of the powers of the gods and you are hellbent on sticking to your myopic truncated pespective. again, if you read this verse the wisdom of astrology is compared to the wisdom of the holy gods. this is in the bible OK. i did not make this up

daniel 5 vs 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Your father, King Nebuchadnezzar, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. <<< THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY gODS AND THE INTELLIGENCE AND WISDOM OF THE gODS. THIS IS ASTROLOGY.

The scriptures you quoted were written in the perspective of the Babylonians which had "gods" and do divination and telling of the times which are forbidden in Christianity.

Only God is holy and the idea of "holy gods" should have well pointed you of the ways of the Babylonians and other pegan nations who worshiped varying gods.
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 9:14am On Sep 13, 2017
Chubhie:

And then when you look at the state of Nigerian Christians.....How do you feel? As a watchman, Are you honestly proud of what you see?
What did the Bible say will happen close to his coming? Shd Nigeria be spared?
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 9:19am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
just based on etymology alone, LUCIFER means a fallen entity. meaning someone who was once powerful but has now fallen. someone who has lost their power. SATAN means an adversary aka someone who is opposed to an ideal or laws that have been set. an opposer. so anyone can be an opposer. like when peter tried to oppose Jesus he said get thee behind me satan.
Perer didn't oppose Jesus, Satan did and Jesus picked him out and dealt with him accordingly. You never saw Jesus rebuking Peter, he did Satan.

Pls you people should stop this dishonesty.
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 9:41am On Sep 13, 2017
WrathOfHadez:


The scriptures you quoted were written in the perspective of the Babylonians which had "gods" and do divination and telling of the times which are forbidden in Christianity.

Only God is holy and the idea of "holy gods" should have well pointed you of the ways of the Babylonians and other pegan nations who worshiped varying gods.
That's what i've been saying since. He is trying to make his readers see Christianity from the perspective of the Pagan Babylonians.

I post Yahweh's perspective, but he jumps right through it, pretending he didn't see.

These people are practicing Zoroastrianism and are trying to justify it by using Scriptures.
Re: The Middle Path by WrathOfHadez(m): 9:48am On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

That's what i've been saying since. He is trying to make his readers see Christianity from the perspective of the Pagan Babylonians.

I post Yahweh's perspective, but he jumps right through it, pretending he didn't see.

These people are practicing Zoroastrianism and are trying to justify it by using Scriptures.

Twisting of the scriptures and deliberately misleading people scripturally is far worse than witchcraft, betrayal and rebellion; it's down right demonic in severity as Satan's attempt at usurpation!
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 9:51am On Sep 13, 2017
WrathOfHadez:
Twisting of the scriptures and deliberately misleading people scripturally is far worse than witchcraft, betrayal and rebellion; it's down right demonic in severity as Satan's attempt at usurpation!
This is the reason i called it satanism. Trying to pass sorcery as divine.
Re: The Middle Path by SalomonKane: 10:01am On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:
just based on etymology alone, LUCIFER means a fallen entity. meaning someone who was once powerful but has now fallen. someone who has lost their power. SATAN means an adversary aka someone who is opposed to an ideal or laws that have been set. an opposer. so anyone can be an opposer. like when peter tried to oppose Jesus he said get thee behind me satan.
I thought Lucifer mean The Morning Star or something like that?
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 12:05pm On Sep 13, 2017
If we accept that Jesus performed miracles then we must accept that Jesus performed magic. Miracles are magical in nature. First century Palestine was rife with holy men who performed magic….sorry miracles, for instance Honi the circle drawer, a first century miracle worker in the tradition of Elijah who brought rain for his people, the Talmud tells us of an occasion where there had been no rain for a long time Honi drew a circle in the dust and reputedly told God he would not move until it began to rain when it started to drizzle he said he wasn’t satisfied he wanted consistent rain and he got it!

We know about the stories of the miracle-worker Apollonius of Tyana a contemporary of Jesus, debatable but his alleged miracles closely mirrored those of Jesus, and then on the other side of the spectrum we had the likes of Simon the Magus whose epic battles with the likes of Paul in the ‘acts of Paul and Thecla’ and Peter in the apocryphal ‘Gospel of Peter’ are the stuff of legends. Whether you term it Magic or Miracle it is the same thing, it is the manipulation of the natural state for the imposition of one’s will.

Many of the miracles Jesus performed, just like his parables had deeper allegorical messages, in the feeding of the five thousand for instance people rightly marvel at how he fed so many with so little but the true miracle was in what was left over.

In the Pericope Adulterai where Jesus confronts the crowd who wish to stone the adulterous woman he asks the first without sin to cast a stone and nobody moved, he bends down and makes figures in the sand and the crowd slinks away. That in itself is a magical pass and it is esoteric teaching. We know that story is likely not true but the author for whatever reason wished to convey to his Jewish readers the impression that Jesus was versed in Qabala.

We should not forget that Jesus was accused amongst other things, of sorcery principally by his own people. The new sensitivity of Christians does not wipe away history.

Magic pervades and persists in the biblical accounts, it really was a pissing contest between prophets who were really the most gifted seers and diviners of their times. The Egyptians and Babylonians claimed a powerful magic, the Jews claimed their ‘God’ was more powerful and reflected their stories accordingly, it was tribal magical boastfulness.

Moses confronted the ‘Burning Bush’, the deity involved and the ritual are buried deeply in Jewish esoterica but I learnt a valuable lesson in sukkot’s post yesterday when he wrote that it wasn’t up to him to reveal the secrets of God, not that I have any to reveal anyway.

It is laughable when a Christian goes into ecstatic rapture flailing against magic, the most powerful western magical thought are derived directly from the Judaeo-Christian paradigm whether it be the spirits of Goetia that King Solomon reputedly held prisoner or the magical systems of say St. Ignatius of Loyola, their religion is largely responsible for the very things they are all whingeing about.

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Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 12:19pm On Sep 13, 2017
SalomonKane:
I thought Lucifer mean The Morning Star or something like that?
it does. but a fallen morning star

isaiah 14 vs 12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 12:21pm On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

Perer didn't oppose Jesus, Satan did and Jesus picked him out and dealt with him accordingly. You never saw Jesus rebuking Peter, he did Satan.

Pls you people should stop this dishonesty.
matthew 16 vs 23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

I HAVE TO ASK YOU ANALICE ? HAVE YOU EVEN EVER READ THE BIBLE AT ALL ? LOL. YOU DONT SEEM TO KNOW WHATS INSIDE THE BIBLE AT ALL

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Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 12:29pm On Sep 13, 2017
WrathOfHadez:


The scriptures you quoted were written in the perspective of the Babylonians which had "gods" and do divination and telling of the times which are forbidden in Christianity.

Only God is holy and the idea of "holy gods" should have well pointed you of the ways of the Babylonians and other pegan nations who worshiped varying gods.

I dont think you know that gods are in sync with GODS words. gods are just everyone who wields power under the tutelage and auspices of GOD. gods do not operate independently and outside of GOD. they wield his power

PSALAMS 82 VS 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. <<< gods ARE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 12:37pm On Sep 13, 2017
analice107:

In others Words, Yahweh warned his followers to stay away from His wisdom?

Sukkot, The Spirit in Daniel, was not the Spirit of Astrology.

You are hardly addressing my posts.

I post you scriptures, you jump over them.

Why did Jehovah warned us against Astrology?

Why did those who practiced these things brought them out and burnt them up when they became believers in Christ in Acts 19?
Jehovah did not warn you against astrology. i dont know where you are getting that from. astrology is the universal clock that prophets use to discern the season and times and signs. for example after that apocalyptic solar eclipse that split america in half did hurricane harvey and irma and jose emerge. that solar eclipse was a sign that judgement on america was here if you know how to read the esoteric mechanics of the eclipse

GENESIS 1 VS 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 12:40pm On Sep 13, 2017
MizMyColi:
Good Morning LoJ.

I trust the night treated you well.

Just to clarify...

What is the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
Hello Mizmycoli,

It is my pleasure to read you. Night was okay thanks. I trust yours was good too. I originally wanted to answer you here, but I feel we are not doing the thread any justice. It takes considerable efforts for sarassin, and others to create a thread like this or make distinct relevant contributions. The multiple derailings, noise around is to me another illustration of "casting pearls before swine".

You may open another thread, I (and probably others) will be glad to offer our opinions.

Heartfelt greetings.

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Re: The Middle Path by WrathOfHadez(m): 12:41pm On Sep 13, 2017
sukkot:


I dont think you know that gods are in sync with GODS words. gods are just everyone who wields power under the tutelage and auspices of GOD. gods do not operate independently and outside of GOD. they wield his power

PSALAMS 82 VS 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. <<< gods ARE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH
at the emboldened, do you mean GOD's words or GODS?

Also the context of your posts I quoted was talking about sovereign gods hence "holy gods" which is heresy in Christianity and unfounded in any tenets of Christianity.

The Babylonians who believed in different "gods" because they are not monotheistic like Christians obviously attributed that excerpt you provided to Daniel.

Your submission is painfully uncorrelated logically and even scripturally.
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 12:49pm On Sep 13, 2017
WrathOfHadez:
at the emboldened, do you mean GOD's words or GODS?

Also the context of your posts I quoted was talking about sovereign gods hence "holy gods" which is heresy in Christianity and unfounded in any tenets of Christianity.

The Babylonians who believed in different "gods" because they are not monotheistic like Christians obviously attributed that excerpt to Daniel.

Your submission is painfully uncorrelated logically and even scripturally.
does it make any difference if it is GODS or GOD,S lmao. come on quit with the semantics. And i dont think you are familiar with how things work. all powers are the same but powers allocated to those operating outside of GODS required realm are very negligible. the babylonians were operating outside of GODS realm so their powers were negligible. and then DANIEL came who was operating inside of GODS realm and he had more powers and more insight and part of his insight was a stronger and more powerful knowledge of astrology. so they made him chief of all the babylonian astrologers because his powers were stronger. basically the babylonians where operating with the left hand powers and daniel was operating with the right hand powers as is the premise of the thread by sarassin
Re: The Middle Path by MizMyColi(f): 12:55pm On Sep 13, 2017
I like it when rare people like you make me smile. smiley


[I]"It takes considerable efforts for sarassin, and others to create a thread like this or make distinct relevant contributions. The multiple derailings, noise around is to me another illustration of "casting pearls before swine".[/I]

You are right, LoJ.

I did think in that line too. But I felt that somehow, it relates to the original post on this thread, plus, I felt it would be a fine way to make the blabbering stop.
Now that I think of it again, you make a fine point.

Nonetheless, I doubt that the same noise we find here isn't going on on other threads that do not assuage their sensibilities.

I'll create one and mention you.
If the noise from certain quarters do not do our minds any good, we should just skip reading their writings.

On this thread, there are some monikers I do not bother reading. I just skip. No need filling my head with stuff I find repugnant.

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