sukkot:
true indeed, however GOD creates lies for people to believe

isaiah 66 vs 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
<< HE WILL CHOOSE YOUR DELUSION BE IT ISLAM OR CATHOLICISM ETC ETC

sukkot:
I would assume you understand the verses you posted ?

sukkot:
let me give you an analogy

sukkot:
if someone named nnamdi gets into trouble,
now he usually gets into lots of trouble but he is always bailed out and protected by a guy named chukwu.

then one day he gets into trouble and this trouble he enters this time he cant get out off.
then someone says ' nnamdi even chukwu cannot save you this time from the punishment you are about to receive.
now answer me this?

sukkot:
is chukwu being referred to as a bad person?

sukkot:
well in this analogy Chukwu is the astrologers. thats what the verse you are quoting means

sukkot:
i cant for the life of me not understand why analice107 and TheUmbra have comprehension problems.
its like some people dont need to pick up the bible if they cant understand whats in it because they will go and confuse other people with their warped comprehension skills when they try to preach to others based on their failed understanding of scriptures

analice107:
Hahahahahahahaaha. Seriously?
We have trashed Daniel sir.
It's laughable how you guys wants Daniel to be an Astrologer so badly.

Even when the scriptures are there showing clearly as Nebuchadnezzar praises the God of Daniel instead of the Astrology which he knew and practiced all his life. Solomon practiced the detestable Act yet Jehovah was with him to the end? Keep telling yourselves that sir, perhaps you will come to believe it with time.

Who crucified Jesus? His followers or Rome? So the cross is no longer the symbol of shame and death, it's now Astrology. Hahaahahahahahahahaha. what won't you people do to wriggle into Christianity?

See what you guys are doing here was what intrigued me about the character of Jesus and i wanted to know more about him.

Every Cosmology have their own version of Jesus, trying to twist and turn him.

I almost followed LobSang into New Age, (You told me he was a fraud, i can't tell),
but his teachings were so simple and reachable that he made me feel Christianity was shallow. God just delivered me from that evil.
The the things i read in those books which are in Christianity too but i didn't know then, i now know very well.

His books actually made me to want to check Jesus out and thank God i did.
All the Eastern Religions have a way of down play ing on Jesus.
You guys pushed me to Jesus, and i'm thankful i sat down to study him.
He has become so alive and present with me that I don't miss any human absence.

WrathOfHadez:
Your personal life is a manifestation of the scriptures above you just quoted.

Your head must be a raging rumble of thoughts like a disorganised choir singing out of sync. A man struggling to be read and seen , writing in bold letters as his own demons tell him he needs to shout to be heard.

A man whose birth defects incude dyslexia, chronic lack of comprehension and delusional Disorders.

In the depth of your failures and broken dreams you seek relevance in heresy, misrepresenting scriptures to give you the confidence life has denied you.

Nairaland, by giving you a cheap platform of broadcast, has done for your life what your parents couldn't do; that is putting your demency in live broadcast for the earth's 7.4 billion inhabitants.

Your foolishness and its associated trappings are more comic than annoying.

What a scatterbrained heretic!!!

Sarassin:


You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.

Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?

Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

MuttleyLaff:
This remark should be inducted into this thread's Hall of Memorable Quotes
It is spot on, as it got to the heart of the thread matter

Sarassin:
You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.
Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?
Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

MuttleyLaff:
You assume right

It better be good

I will, with regard for context

On the face of it, the answer to your question is "No"
but, really, chukwu is being referred to as a bad person,
and for obvious reason(s), rightly so

Yep, Chukwu the astrologer, going along with the sentiments formed in that verse quoted, has been a really naughty bad bwoy

Chukwu, the astrologer, letting the people down, and all the advices, the people had received have made them tired
Letting people down, same as, the astrologers who were unable to reveal to King Nebuchadnezzar what he dreamt talkess interpret the dream

All Chukwu the astrologer, is good at is, make predictions month by month,
and misfiring, which no longer causes anyone to be surprised

For the life of you, understand that analice107 and TheUmbra are communicating that:

#1) There was a royal edict ordering Daniel & Co be taught the literature (i.e. astrology inclusive) and language of the Chaldeans (i.e. Daniel 1:4)
#2) Daniel, from the very beginning, attributed his knowledge or source to be from God and not from astrology (i.e. Daniel 1:17; Daniel 2:27-28)
#3) Daniel, as Chief over all the magicians, enchanters, astrologers, and fortune-tellers,
is a title conferred on him by the king, it wasn't a title he desired or sought after (i.e. Daniel 4:9 Daniel 5:11)
#4) The bible, from OT to NT might contain astrological information and/or mentions but the information & mentions aren't a licence,
for anything up there or in the outer world, to replace the relationship that ought to be had with God
#5) If at all, then with Daniel, as a benchmark,
the knowledge of astrology must be practised by one having strong moral principles
and the quality of being honest that God, the Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence, is the source behind it all

I know Sarassin doesnt subscribe to this
but the Magi, from the East, recognized God, the Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence,
as being good and important enough, to search out and be worshipped

sukkot:
i am in total agreement with the bolded. finally we see eye to eye

MuttleyLaff:

What of #1, #2, #3 & #4?

sukkot:
lmao. definitely number 2 and 4 .

THE Daniel 1 vs 4, you got that mixed up.
it says the KING ordered DANIEL to teach them. not the reverse

sukkot:
daniel 1 vs 14 youths in whom was no defect, who were good-looking, showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom, endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge, and who had ability for serving in the king's court; and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.

sukkot:
the number 3 ?
i checked those verses. had nothing to say he didnt desire the positions.
so i reject only number 3 and obviously number 1

701ecilana:

Abeg leave Billy alone nah. Weytin him do sef?

analice107:

You began all of this, now you are standing aside smiling. And, i can never wonder, i'm as firm as a Ceder in Lebanon.

sukkot:
LOL what about alice in wonderland ?

Sarassin:


Pity you did not display the same intelligence you are alluding to when you equated astrology to sorcery. How would you know? Do you practice sorcery?

TheUmbra:


My goodness! What do we have here?! Astrology is divination, which is a preternatural means of predicting the future, which is witchcraft (sorcery), which is also idolatry.


It is obvious your strong penchant for argument is propelled by your pride which outweighs your poor intellectual payload.

WrathOfHadez:
Murder!!!

All the hear frauds like Sukkot and the idiot you just quoted are
desperately trying to build a means of livelihood in false prophesies.

They are deliberately twisting Christian scriptures to gain customers and clients since the gullible masses will readily submit to anything that is backed by the Bible.

The hustle is real. Sukkot and co are just plain Nairaland hustlers.

MuttleyLaff:
And what do you benefit,
if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?
- Mark 8:36

Neither are interested filthy lucre
and so has nothing to do with desperately trying to build a means of livelihood via false prophesies.
It's about the soul, captivating and then capturing souls

Chubhie:
It wasn't intentional. However, I learnt something new here.
I like your premium doggedness in defending your truths.
All the very best warrior princess.

WrathOfHadez:
Murder!!!

All the religious frauds like Sukkot and the idiot you just quoted are desperately trying to build a means of livelihood in false prophesies.

They are deliberately twisting Christian scriptures to gain customers and clients since the gullible masses will readily submit to anything that is backed by the Bible.

The hustle is real. Sukkot and co are just plain Nairaland hustlers.

MuttleyLaff:
And what do you benefit,
if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?
- Mark 8:36

Neither are interested filthy lucre
and so has nothing to do with desperately trying to build a means of livelihood via false prophesies.
It's about the soul, captivating and then capturing souls

Chubhie:
Sarassin, cut through the distractions and drop it like it's hot. Some people's faith/fate seems threatened.I enjoy reading from you.

Sukkot, maybe you should try quoting from Al Koran and other spiritual books so the 'Christians' won't count it as personal?

MuttleyLaff:
³Then the king ordered Ashpenaz, his chief of staff,
to bring to the palace some of the young men of Judah's royal family
and other noble families, who had been brought to Babylon as captives.
⁴"Select only strong, healthy, and good-looking young men," he said.
"Make sure they are well versed in every branch of learning,
are gifted with knowledge and good judgment, and are suited to serve in the royal palace.
Train these young men in the language and literature of Babylon."
- Daniel 1:3-4

The King, by royal edict, ordered his Chief of Staff to train Daniel & Co, in the language and literature of Babylon
The KING, in Daniel 1:3-4, DID NOT order DANIEL to teach anybody

The attendant agreed to Daniel's suggestion and tested them for ten days.
- Daniel 1:14

You're, again, misquoting, muddling up and confusing the verses for each other
Daniel 1:14, is where, whilst in training, Daniel & Co declined the Babylonian poison delicacies,
instead, suggessted fed healthier food that conforms to the laws and wishes of God

It at least confirms he was conferred with it
Daniel never called himself an astrologer, He writes about himself as, "I, Daniel..."
The bible only addressed him, as Chief over all the magicians, enchanters, astrologers, and fortune-tellers, per title conferred on to him
and didnt per se say he is an astrologer

sukkot:
lmao. definitely number 2 and 4 .

THE Daniel 1 vs 4, you got that mixed up. it says the KING ordered DANIEL to teach them. not the reverse

daniel 1 vs 14 youths in whom was no defect, who were good-looking, showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom, endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge, and who had ability for serving in the king's court; and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.

the number 3 ? i checked those verses. had nothing to say he didnt desire the positions. so i reject only number 3 and obviously number 1 .

Emmanystone:

Wait, you mean the King ordered a teenage Daniel who just was exiled into Babylon to teach the Astrologers and Magicians of Babylon the Babylonian Language and Literature?

Amplified Bible Daniel 1:3-4
And the [Babylonian] king told Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring in some of the children of Israel, both of the royal family and of the nobility

Youths without blemish, well-favored in appearance and skillful in all wisdom, discernment, and understanding, apt in learning knowledge, competent to stand and serve in the king’s palace—and to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.

Pls go easy with the misrepresentation of scriptures. You go wound o. No be joke, you go wound.

sukkot:
OK i finally see what you see with regards Daniel 1 vs 4. I believe we can agree on that. You are correct.

Chubhie:
Sarassin, cut through the distractions and drop it like it's hot. Some people's faith/fate seems threatened.I enjoy reading from you.

Sukkot, maybe you should try quoting from Al Koran and other spiritual books so the 'Christians' won't count it as personal?

Chubhie:
Sarassin, cut through the distractions and drop it like it's hot. Some people's faith/fate seems threatened.I enjoy reading from you.

Sukkot, maybe you should try quoting from Al Koran and other spiritual books so the 'Christians' won't count it as personal?

WrathOfHadez:
What motive then lies behind his deliberate misquote of scripture? The Soul?

sukkot:
Yeah I may just have to start quoting from the egyptian book of the dead

Chubhie:

Then your fate as a devil worshipper is sealed and expressly condemned to hell by the 'Christians'

sukkot:
lol bro come on mayne. i dont get paid for this. i do it cuz i like interacting with people online