Ahmed445:
in the Noble Quran which was reveal tru Angel Gabriel to prophet Muhammad (saw) God said to him that he him Almighty Allah that send down the three books to David ,moses,Jesus and him that send down the Quran to him as the final revelation to mankind...

Ahmed445:

the Quran was written down in a place because that time there is no book when the message is reveal to him he will tell his followers and since then not a single word has been change... that is that....

Ahmed445:
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Noble book was revealed in Arabic cos in Muhammad was originated from Arabic country and that's is the dialect... thank and mind u we have many begotten son in the Bible not only Jesus ask me for prove and I will tell u

shadeyinka:
I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.

The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black!
Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?

What language do you think God speaks to men?
Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?

I have asked many questions here, please answer them.


You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.

Is the bolded statement really true?

Mark16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)

John3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Simple English: read in context.

How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?



Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.


You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?

God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur

Ahmed445:
Jesus Christ is not the only son of god in the bible we have many son of god even many begotten son... read ur bible very well... u will found it,.. and if u can find it I will show u as many verses where u will see it...

Olabenjamen22:

lol can you tell me those that wrote the quran? And did they hear from Allah? Common when are you people going to use your brain.

Olabenjamen22:

lol can you tell me those that wrote the quran? And did they hear from Allah? Common when are you people going to use your brain.

Ahmed445:
Almighty ALLAH(swt) said to Muhammed(phub) the three books came from Allah to his prophet moses, David, Jesus and the final book to Muhammed and in the own context

Ahmed445:

cos in the bible Jesus said I have no come to destroy the law, then what is the law contain that if someone make adultery they stone the person to death... Jesus came from the jews and the message he came to deliver was about peace and Quran was reveal to Muhammed in Aramaic and that is how the book is in its original context till today and that is how it will be till the day of judgement... and if u check it now adays all this technology nowadays has been reveal in noble Quran about how the earth was form, how baby form, fingerprint, the useful of honey, and so on... even the theologian testified to dat.... ask me and I will show u... thanks

John8:1-11
Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.

4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”

6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he (Jesus) stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11 “No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

Ahmed445:

cos in the... and if u check it now adays all this technology nowadays has been reveal in noble Quran about how the earth was form, how baby form, fingerprint, the useful of honey, and so on... even the theologian testified to dat.... ask me and I will show u... thanks

Ahmed445:
Mr olabenjamen this forum is not created to abuse any body but to share knowledge.. base on what u ask ... can u also tell us who wrote the bible ... thanks

Ahmed445:
Almighty ALLAH(swt) said to Muhammed(phub) the three books came from Allah to his prophet moses, David, Jesus and the final book to Muhammed and in the own context cos in the bible Jesus said I have no come to destroy the law, then what is the law contain that if someone make adultery they stone the person to death... Jesus came from the jews and the message he came to deliver was about peace and Quran was reveal to Muhammed in Aramaic and that is how the book is in its original context till today and that is how it will be till the day of judgement... and if u check it now adays all this technology nowadays has been reveal in noble Quran about how the earth was form, how baby form, fingerprint, the useful of honey, and so on... even the theologian testified to dat.... ask me and I will show u... thanks

shadeyinka:
You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours

1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?

If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.

2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption?
David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?




Really!
You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.

1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this.
2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?

You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.



In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.

I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"

John1:2
but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.

Luke 3:38 38
the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.

Jeremiah 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.

Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child.
The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!

shadeyinka:
You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours

1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?

If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.

2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption?
David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?




Really!
You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.

1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this.
2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?

You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.



In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.

I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"

John1:2
but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.

Luke 3:38 38
the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.

Jeremiah 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.

Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child.
The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!

Ahmed445:
Mr shade yinka u are asking me that how do we know that is angel Gabriel... how do we know that is Gabriel that was sent by Allah to mary....

Ahmed445:

to be honest with u have really giving u a clear prove about the Qur'an u are just looking for a way to free ur self...

Ahmed445:

I don't know when they said the should burn the Quran and if its tru it is already written in the final reveal that Allah(swt) will guide the book... and since then not a single word or letter has not change... a group of pple who are trying to disstabilize it They caught and that might be the reason why it was burn....

Ahmed445:

am glad u read the other verses that stated that God has many sons and even daughter... for ur information we are all children and slaves of God.... now tell me who is the tru son of God from what u have read above...

Empiree:
u noticed his trash too

Ahmed445:
have giving u a clear prove about ur question... the Bible said Jesus was entering many places preaching the gospel of God... that was injeel now where is the tru gospel of Jesus they have hide it, we have old and new testament and it stated in the Bible that that grass weadeth and so but the word of God will not change... now tell me we have many types of bible and its contradict itself....

shadeyinka:


I find it difficult conversing with you. You don't show any grasp of Islam and your just ramble over things you have memorised over time.

Proof! A prove is a statement backed up with valid verifiable justifications...you have failed woefully in this respect.

You also display ignorance of Christianity: if you didn't, you would have known that the gospel simply means Good News. The gospel is NOT a book. It means good news.

The question that any intelligent person including Mohammed should ask is:
What is that Good News!

For your education, the Scripture books the Jews use up till the time of Jesus are what Christians call the OLD testament of the Bible.
The Books that Mohammed call Injeel are what the Christians call NEW testament.

Only a brainwashed and unintelligent individual will not comprehend the above.

How many English translations of the Quran exists? Please answer these questions.

shadeyinka:

The Bible States so.
Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?

In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong



Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.


1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran?
2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat?
3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?


That is a Meaningless question.

You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.

The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.





Buhari 33.23
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)

What do you call people who erase evidence?

shadeyinka:


I find it difficult conversing with you. You don't show any grasp of Islam and your just ramble over things you have memorised over time.

Proof! A prove is a statement backed up with valid verifiable justifications...you have failed woefully in this respect.

You also display ignorance of Christianity: if you didn't, you would have known that the gospel simply means Good News. The gospel is NOT a book. It means good news.

The question that any intelligent person including Mohammed should ask is:
What is that Good News!

For your education, the Scripture books the Jews use up till the time of Jesus are what Christians call the OLD testament of the Bible.
The Books that Mohammed call Injeel are what the Christians call NEW testament.

Only a brainwashed and unintelligent individual will not comprehend the above.

How many English translations of the Quran exists? Please answer these questions.

shadeyinka:
You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours

1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?

If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.

2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption?
David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?




Really!
You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.

1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this.
2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?

You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.



In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.

I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"

John1:2
but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.

Luke 3:38 38
the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.

Jeremiah 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.

Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child.
The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!

shadeyinka:

The Bible States so.
Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?

In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong



Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.


1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran?
2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat?
3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?


That is a Meaningless question.

You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.

The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.





Buhari 33.23
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)

What do you call people who erase evidence?

Ahmed445:
we have only one translation of the holy quran... and from the beginning to the end of the Quran u will Neva see a verses that contradict its self ... have giving u a clear proof about the Quran but u are not giving me any about the Bible .... jesus was a Jew and the language he spoke was semantic Aramaic which is no more in existence and jesus him Neva said follow the book its was written by his Peter and Paul long after Jesus as gone... in the quran God said to Muhammed that the Quran was sent to him for human guidance and show me in the Bible where God or Jesus said bible is sent down to mankind cos in the Bible all we have there is a story Jesus enta dere he pray he did dis and all that... Quran was written down in one language that is Arabic why is the bible not written down in the tru language... answer that...

shadeyinka:

The Bible States so.
Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?

In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong



Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.


1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran?
2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat?
3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?


That is a Meaningless question.

You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.

The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.





Buhari 33.23
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)

What do you call people who erase evidence?

shadeyinka:


Your lack of compression is appallingly!

I will stop this unintelligent conversation after this. You drain my time and energy.

I have read at least 5 different translations of the Quran. I am aware of up to 27 English translations.

The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an (1930) by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall.

The Holy Qur'an: Translation and Commentary (1934) by Abdullah Yusuf Ali.

The Koran Interpreted (1955) by Arthur Arberry.

The Quran (1970) A free-flowing English translation by Muhammad Zafrulla Khan

The Noble Qur'an (1992); by Dr. T. B. (Thomas Ballantyne) Irving (Al Hajj Ta'lim Ali Abu Nasr).

You see why I said you do not even understand Islam.

There is even an English translation
Saheeh International translation of the Qur’an
Written by three women.

Ahmed445:
we Muslim use the Quran as a back
up and the hadith any book aside that is not welcome ... so bringing any book from buhari that doesn't have any proof from the Quran and hadith is meaningless... buhari or not is out of it hope have answer u? we are not fighting we are just sharing knowledge ur response is getting harsh so let's calm down to our self

shadeyinka:


Can one perform the salat just from reading the Quran?
There are so many things you Muslim do that is not in the Quran.

Infact, it is impossible comprehend the Quran without support from Hadith's and Tefsirs!

Please find someone else to discuss with. Your comprehension of this matter is well below average


An intelligent conversation is NOT about repeating your position but justifying them with documents, logic and facts

Ahmed445:
there is no compulsion in religion ... do urs while I too will do mine.. thanks

Ahmed445:
there is no compulsion in religion ... do urs while I too will do mine.. thanks

orunto27:


The Book of Revelation:19 is all about ISLAM.

Olabenjamen22:

lol can you tell me those that wrote the quran? And did they hear from Allah? Common when are you people going to use your brain.

Olabenjamen22:

And authority have been given to him, or why don't you read the verse downward.
22 The Father doesn’t judge anyone, but he has made his Son the judge of everyone.
23 The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, that is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him. I guess you notice that verse 23,
that is the concept of Christianity. peace

Olabenjamen22:

Did you believe Jesus is the son of God?, if not why are you asking who is his father

MightySparrow:
........

YES

mukhtara446:


So You believed Jesus was sent By the Father. and I too believed at the time of Jesus you must Honor and respect him, caused dishonoring him is at the same as dishonoring the father. But why some Christians believed Jesus to be God not whom God sent to save His people.