Joebie:
Oga.. my question for you is, why did you not include Amuzie in this discussion? He was among the trio i mentioned right. You just want to start a this vs that argument.

I think if you follow this discussion from the start, you will understand where I am coming from. semid4lyfe had asked for Rohr to have a look in on Abass for LB.

I had asked semid4lyfe for a link and possibly a video as well. And said as long as we see class we will know. I don't write people off based on their present circumstances. That's my personality. I like to see, and then make an opinion. After careful consideration of the scout report, I was glad that the report was very balanced, and there was no sign of hyping the player. Then I said, based on the report, I don't see him ahead of the trio. Context is those players we have known before him, and they barely had a chance in SE because they are still in their early development stage. For Abass to considered ahead of them, we need to see more than just a report I will consider excellent for his age and stature, but average for the fact that the context is invitation to the Super Eagles.

I'm not here for this vs that arguments. Even a player still in a Nigerian Academy can have those qualities I read in the report. I'm not writing off the boy. But I still see him in the league of Okon and Abdulahi. We know how this development thing go. It's too early my brother for such comparisons.

Amuzie has played a full season in portugal and is now in Switzerland. He has caps for the national team and has played in the olympics.

Professional football is not the same as academy football.

Okon and Mustapha Abdullahi have done nothing of note professionally.

According to the scouting report, this Abbas guy was one of the best players in Latvia, last season. He is certainly above those that have not started their professional careers.

Go a few pages back. You will see the scouting report on the young lad, who was among the crop of players who went for the U17 nations cup in 2015.

Icon4s:


Who is this Abass?

Again, read carefully.. This is not a this vs that argument.

Did you read the stats of the boy carefully?

tbaba1234:


Amuzie has played a full season in portugal and is now in Switzerland. He has caps for the national team and has played in the olympics.

Professional football is not the same as academy football.

Okon and Mustapha Abdullahi have done nothing of note professionally.

According to the scouting report, this Abbas guy was one of the best players in Latvia, last season. He is certainly above those that have not started their professional careers.

Kog45:
Not even big leagues but solid as Balogun especially CB position,with due respect to Ekong i still have my reservation.Awaziem sorry to say i don't rate him with what i saw against South Africa,hope he prove me wrong,Agbo too average for SE.

Rohr just need to address this before it's too late,initially i thought our fullbacks are d issue but with availability of player like Shehu, Echiejele,Aina,Ebuehi,may be Okoro and hopefully Nura Abdullahi we are covered.

I don't know how serious NFF or Rohr towards d full switch of Uduokhai to Nigeria,if d guy is available better for d team but my attention shifted to this WAFU tourney and i can say am impress with Eze,Adeleye,Okoro, though we might say d oppositions are weak but those guy are showing promises,hope Rohr is watching.

The Eze and Adeleye i saw against Ghana cannot be worse than Awaziem i saw against South Africa,so need to call this guys to camp and learn.

Awaziem is now gaining more experience in the ligue 1. Give em break.

Joebie:
Again, read carefully.. This is not a this vs that argument.

Did you read the stats of the boy carefully?

He has stats.. What professional stats do Mustapha and Okon have so far?

lol.. you are unbelievable, even after all my explanation for you to understand the context of this
Don't start something that was never intended. Find a partner for this vs that arguments this afternoon - not me.

tbaba1234:


He has stats.. What professional stats do Mustapha and Okon has so far?

Joebie:
lol.. you are unbelievable, even after all my explanation for you to understand the context of this
Don't start something that was never intended. Find a partner for this vs that arguments this afternoon - not me.

I have read your explanation and it does not add up.

A player is playing professionally and you say, he is not ahead of players, we only saw at age group level. On what basis?

I do not know this Abbas guy but from the scouting report, he was one of the best in Latvia. Comparing him with players who have hardly played professionally is ridiculous.

Okon and Abdullahi have to start showing more.

At it stands, if i have the choice of Okon, Abdullahi and Abbas for the super eagles, the player with professional experience will be chosen.

Okon had a decent run of game time in the NPFL. To say he has not started his professional career is misleading.
Which is why I said they are still in the development stage. subsequent seasons there may be a slump in their career. of course we are not praying for that for any of them. But comparison was never my intention, because it's quite early. So there is no point going on with your argument.

tbaba1234:


I have read your explanation and it does not add up.

A player is playing professionally and you say, he is not ahead of players, we only saw at age group level. On what basis?

I do not know this Abbas guy but from the scouting report, he was one of the best in Latvia. Comparing him with players who have hardly played professionally is ridiculous.

Okon and Abdullahi have to start showing more.

At it stands, if i have the choice of Okon, Abdullahi and Abbas for the super eagles, the player with professional experience will be chosen.

Joebie:
Well understanding is the key. Most times many arguments will not even start if we have understanding. I've only said the report does nothing to show that the boy is ahead of the trio.

Even the scout report on Abass was sincere to say we can't tell how Abass will measure up in bigger leagues. At least Okon got a "pro-contract" in the NPFL. Are you saying the Latvian league is better than the NPFL?

I would rather hope to launch my career playing for a top NPFL side, than start out in Latvia. It's all about exposure. And I'm sure the likes of CHAN tournament could give a young player that.

Enough of these players settling for any league as long as it's outside Nigeria. But I understand they have to eat.

But don't tell me Abass is ahead of Mustapha and Okon. It's too early to say that.

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Don't forget the context is invitation to the Super Eagles. Let that sink in.

Bros, the Nigerian league is a joke compared to other African leagues.

The African Champions league quarter finals were played some few days ago, e bi like say I dey watch European league. Very entertaining and impressive.

Until, all clubs are taken away from the government by private investors, we go still dey produce mediocre players.

Most of our young players avoid the league like plague in other to get a good club abroad else the club will not near you once they know you have made the bench in the local league.

*cough* Lavia no bi am na.

I will rather go for Kingsley Madu instead or Taye Taiwo.

Joebie:
Okon had a decent run of game time in the NPFL. To say he has not started his professional career is misleading.
Which is why I said they are still in the development stage. subsequent seasons there may be a slump in their career. of course we are not praying for that for any of them. But comparison was never my intention, because it's quite early. So there is no point going on with your argument.

How many games did Okon play? I asked the question before.. Okon might become a better player but the person playing more professionally is ahead. For now.

lol different strokes for different folks.

Think Bonaventure.. Because Abass went that route.
Also think Muazam..

Think Abubakar Aliyu who went to Finland. But he's gone to an even lower league now
You get me? Nothing is guaranteed.

I will choose the NPFL over Latvia. Because I can always pull an Odey, Muazam etc stunt.
Latvia? I may languish there. But I may also make a move to Austria from there.. Nothing is guaranteed. We can never tell how things will eventually pan out.

Leagues get levels. There are some leagues in Europe that I will rate even below the NPFL (no matter how bad the NPFL is) based on the strength of who are you are playing with, and against. Believe me some of our league clubs can beat SOME national sides in Europe..lol

forgiveness:



Bros, the Nigerian league is a joke compared to other African league.

The African Champions league quarter finals was played some few days, e bi like say I dey watch European league. Very entertaining and impressive.

Until, all clubs are taken away from the government by private investors, we go still dey produce mediocre players.

Most of our young players avoid the league like plague in other to get a good club abroad else the club will not near you once they know you have made the bench in the local league.

*cough* Lavia no bi am na.

I will rather go for Kingsley Madu instead or Taye Taiwo.

tbaba1234:
“I was with Tammy Abraham and his father in London last week and our meeting was positive.

“They have collected the forms and just the way we followed up with that of Ola Aina we would do same with Tammy.

“I can tell you that his parents are excited about the prospect of the young lad playing for Nigeria.

“But we have to be patient because we have seen with the case of Ola Aina that the process is not automatic.”

Pinnick,

source: scorenigeria.com.ng

Either somebody in FIFA is frustrating process or NFF is incompetent because we saw how other countries facilitate the process within some months.

Joebie:
lol different strokes for different folks.

Think Bonaventure.. Because Abass went that route.
Also think Muazam..

Think Abubakar Aliyu who went to Finland. But he's gone to an even lower league now
You get me? Nothing is guaranteed.

I will choose the NPFL over Latvia. Because I can always pull an Odey, Muazam etc stunt.
Latvia? I may languish there. But I may also make a move to Austria from there.. Nothing is guaranteed. We can never tell how things will eventually pan out.

Leagues get levels. There are some leagues in Europe that I will rate even below the NPFL (no matter how bad the NPFL is) based on the strength of who are you are playing with, and against. Believe me some of our league clubs can beat SOME national sides in Europe..lol

Were those players you mentioned bought by good clubs?

I mean the best leagues?

3 Ways Plateau United 'Jos-tified' their NPFL title

1. Plateau United scored 49 goals this season, at least three more than any other #NPFL team this season.
2. Plateau United conceded the fewest goals (25) by any #NPFL team and kept the joint most (17) clean sheets.
3. Plateau United accrued most (13) away points by any #NPFL side this season.

Haha.. Best leagues? You are going too far. let's leave that discussion for another day, hopefully when they get there.

forgiveness:


Were those players you mentioned bought by good clubs?

I mean the best leagues?

Joebie:
Haha.. Best leagues? You are going too far. let's leave that discussion for another day, hopefully when they get there.

Hahaha! You now understand what I mean.

Barring any injury,I except the same squad that executed the Cameroon game to be released next week with the exception of Iwobi and maybe Kayode...




Egypt meanwhile have called up just 14 players for their qualifier game against Congo

Sometimes na step by step. I like Kayode style.. we dey see that type too

forgiveness:


Hahaha! You now understand what I mean.

Yes, and let me be arrogant for once -- just because I know Rohr is not leaving any stone unturned as regards Zambia.

Here is my list of SE players for Algeria.

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Joel Obi (injury suspect) or Muazam
Sarenren(injury suspect) or Emenike (oya make una come again)

Danielnino00:
Barring any injury,I except the same squad that executed the Cameroon game to be released next week with the exception of Iwobi and maybe Kayode...




Egypt meanwhile have called up just 14 players for their qualifier game against Congo

Joebie:
Yes, and let me be arrogant for once -- just because I know Rohr is not leaving any stone unturned as regards Zambia.

Here is my list of SE players for Algeria.

pride goes before a fall ooo.. Be careful there

Joebie:
Go a few pages back. You will see the scouting report on the young lad, who was among the crop of players who went for the U17 nations cup in 2015.

ok

no be me go make SE fall na.. it was said that Rohr underrated the South Africans.

But believe me with the kind of focus Rohr has as regards Zambia, I've been resting well.

Danielnino00:




pride goes before a fall ooo.. Be careful there

Danielnino00:
Barring any injury,I except the same squad that executed the Cameroon game to be released next week with the exception of Iwobi and maybe Kayode...




Egypt meanwhile have called up just 14 players for their qualifier game against Congo

Meaning they know their team already. But 14 is too small. meaning 11 players and the 3 substitutes. A minimum of 18 should ok.

Danielnino00:




pride goes before a fall ooo.. Be careful there

Are you saying we cannot beat Zambia?

tbaba1234:


Amuzie has played a full season in portugal and is now in Switzerland. He has caps for the national team and has played in the olympics.

Professional football is not the same as academy football.

Okon and Mustapha Abdullahi have done nothing of note professionally.

According to the scouting report, this Abbas guy was one of the best players in Latvia, last season. He is certainly above those that have not started their professional careers.

Correct!

Icon4s:

Are you saying we cannot beat Zambia?

Far from it sir... But let's be humble a little..
I'm just taking some lessons from the defeat to SA..

My radar is now on the Latvian League because of Usman Abass. Thanks semid4lyfe

Joebie:
Sometimes na step by step. I like Kayode style.. we dey see that type too

Kayode no near that league though he only trained with Heartland of Owerri.

14 home based? 14 abroad based? I think the report is not complete.

Icon4s:


Meaning they know their team already. But 14 is too small. meaning 11 players and the 3 substitutes. A minimum of 18 should ok.

Ajagun nko?

There is no one winning formula oh.
Or are you saying his playing in the LaLiga today, because he no near NPFL?

forgiveness:



Kayode no near that league though he only trained with Heartland of Owerri.

soetanoreoluwa:


Sure... I can tell you that there are alots of things SE players are doing that Rohr overlooked cos they are young and they need guidance.. He's just like a father to them and he won't come out in public to rebuke his players...

I can't even say Rohr is not doing much in SE... All is doing is the motivation and team spirit in the team which other coaches Nigeria have hired are lacking...

Rohr emphasise so much on team spirit and morale. That's why he said that Enyeama can return if he doesn't give conditions

Icon4s:


Meaning they know their team already. But 14 is too small. meaning 11 players and the 3 substitutes. A minimum of 18 should ok.

The report actually said 14 foreign based players . Maybe they would add some home based players later sha..