raumdeuter:


The difference in squad favours Man Utd. Mourinho inherited a largely young team and just added a few missing pieces. Guardiola inherited an ageing squad and had to demolish and rebuild it

Both managers are good and will be among the top 5 best managers in Europe currently and in the last decade

PietroRico:
so being favourite now rests solely on quality of squad available.
Where does coaching input come in?

United and city have very good squads. A lot of people think city's squad is better even, and it is arguable.

What isn't however, is that the difference between both sides is minimal.

Then we have pep who is a revolutionary genius and Mourinho who is a bus parking tactical dinosaur.
Surely the managerial factor should tip the argument to pep's side

PietroRico:

Let me clear things up.

Scale of 1 to 10
Where 10 is the difference between Barcelona and Eyimba and 1 is the difference between Roma and Napoli, the difference between both Manchester sides is <1

If we are to go by what you preach on this forum, Pep is at least 5 levels above Mourinho.

Shouldn't the difference in managerial expertise compensate for the negligible difference between both squads?

P.s I actually don't agree that united have the better squad, but no be that one I dey now

raumdeuter:


Man Utd has the best chance to win the league, they are favourites. I have said this before. They have the best squad, their team is young and are settled

Bville02:
Baba Dayo is just playing his cards skeptically..
If he'd pick man city now and they didn't end up winning the title. Every one here will come for head..
He picked Man Utd now. Because he want take his time and make sure man city is no doubt going to win the title and that will confirm his early stance that Age is the thing affecting the club's performances.
If Man Utd win the title too.. It's a Win-win for him too because he had already predicted it now..

raumdeuter:


Why will the difference between Pep and Mourinho be 5? On the contrary I think you should be the one who rates Pep 5 places below Mourinho he has repeatedly been called a fraud

Of all active coaches aside Ancelotti who has 3 CL, Pep Zidane and Mourinho have 2 CL each.

So if you say Mourinho is 5 levels below Pep, then who are the coaches in between? Seems you people just assign meanings to anything you read irrationally


Before either Pep or Mourinho resumed their jobs I stated clearly that Man Utd has the better squad

raumdeuter:


Man Utd has the best chance to win the league, they are favourites. I have said this before. They have the best squad, their team is young and are settled

dopeJemi:


so that Man City team isn't settled? or what are you saying, didn't they just trash a team 6nil and put 5 past Liverpool, they have the same number of points, scored the same number of goals with Man Utd but it's just Man Utd that is settled?

how so?

PietroRico:
lol.
So what realistically is the difference between Pep and Mourinho?
Whatever it is, it is surely greater than the difference between both squads.

Bville02:



Baba Dayo is just playing his cards skeptically..
If he'd pick man city now and they didn't end up winning the title. Every one here will come for head..
He picked Man Utd now. Because he want take his time and make sure man city is no doubt going to win the title and that will confirm his early stance that Age is the thing affecting the club's performances.
If Man Utd win the title too.. It's a Win-win for him too because he had already predicted it now..

raumdeuter:


If thats your position then fine, Dont be coming back in the future to say I was the one who rated Mou 5 levels below Pep when it was you

BlueAngel444:

Young players in both man city and man united.

Man City: Gabriel Jesus 21, Sane21, Sterling22, Bernando Silva23, John Stones22, Benj. Mendy23, De Bruyne26, Gundagon27, Walker27, Danilo26, Delph27, Eduardo23

Man United: Rashford19, Lingard24, Lukaku24, Pogba24, Shaw23, Baily24, Victor22, De Gea26, Smalling27, Phil Jones27, Herrera27

Yep younger players in both teams to fight for a shirt in starting line up, man city features more of them that are ave. younger to man united.

QED

raumdeuter:


City has made too many changes and buys recently and it will take them time to settle.

Man Utd in the last 2 seasons bought like 6 players, thats like half the number City bought in the last 2 seasons so its obvious Man utd has the more settled squad

PietroRico:

You never answer the real question.

The difference between both managers and the difference between both sides which is greater?

PietroRico:
isn't success supposed to have a direct correlation with money spent, ideally.

Since when did spending more money become more of a disadvantage?

raumdeuter:


The difference between the squad, man utd has a better squad, I said this before the kickoff last season

PietroRico:

This will take us back to the original argument.
And it is not true.
The difference between both sides is negligible.
It can be argued.

Pep on the other hand is better than Mourinho, no argument there.

raumdeuter:


To me the difference between both sides isnt negligible, in isolation they might be, but considering the time theyve spent in each team and blended together they are not. A group of players need time to blend.

get 2 equally talented team one that has blended over time and one that is new, then you will know the difference is huge



Just remember this is your position not mine. probably 5 levels below Pep

PietroRico:
sky bet for example had city as favorites.
If you browse through various bookies, you will see it alternating between city and United with city probably having the edge.
This lends credence to the fact that the difference between both squads is negligible.

Is the difference between Mourinho and pep negligible too or even less?
I had a wrong impression, time for you to correct it

MANCHESTER UNITED will win the Premier League this season if the amount of bets placed with Ladbrokes is anything to go by.
Despite their Super Cup final loss to Real Madrid, punters are still incredibly optimistic about Jose Mourinho and Co’s hopes in 2017-18.
In fact, the bookies can reveal it’s United who have seen the most wagers placed in the outright market
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4206843/manchester-united-win-premier-league-betting/

raumdeuter:


Can you include the time those players got to each of the team to know which team is more settled and which is in transition

Of those you listed for Cty, 10 of them joined in the last 2 seasons while for Man utd only 4 joined in the last 2 seasons

raumdeuter:


So if Pep decides the players he has are enough and he isnt going to buy then how do we judge him?

Both Pep and Jose are the highest paid coaches in the world. Now they have an equal footing to prove themselves with teams who are almost equal

The acquisition argument is just a needless distraction

raumdeuter:


So if Pep decides the players he has are enough and he isnt going to buy then how do we judge him?

Both Pep and Jose are the highest paid coaches in the world. Now they have an equal footing to prove themselves with teams who are almost equal

The acquisition argument is just a needless distraction

raumdeuter:


City has made too many changes and buys recently and it will take them time to settle.

Man Utd in the last 2 seasons bought like 6 players, thats like half the number City bought in the last 2 seasons so its obvious Man utd has the more settled squad

raumdeuter:

More people placed a bet on Man Utd to win the league than any club

diggz:


But did you bother to consider the fact that city were more stable as a club before pep took over compared to mous manU?

raumdeuter:


Both have not signed anyone as at today

If Man Utd signs Sodje Olofinjana and ramires while Pep signs Messi Suarez and neymar

That means those are the players both coaches have in mind to win them trophies. Pep sold Yaya in favor of Busquets and won, Mourinho also did same sold Mata for Oscar and won

I believe whoever they sign by Sept 1 are the players they beliueved can deliver for them. if they end up not winning then its on the coach not the signings

I see a desperate attempt by some folks to prepare some form of easy landing and excuse for Mourinho here

I am not giving any excuse for Pep and I am not expecting any from the Mourinho camp.

raumdeuter:


Regardless of what you say about Rijkaard he won the CL after 14yrs and brought Barca back into European forefront

Pep himself was a rookie a rookie who became a legend in so short a time abeg if he is no genius then no coach should be called a genius then