Hrmnn:


Crew training and experience also played a role. The FAPLA tank crews had no idea what they were doing and frankly, no business being in a tank.

In his book "The Cuban Intervention in Angola", Edward Georges mentions that FAPLA was so short on tank crews sometimes they received their first crash training only hours before being sent into battle.

As opposed to the Ratel 90 and Eland 90 crews who were held to much higher standards, had to complete thorough gunnery training, and had logged considerable time on their weapons.

Any piece of equipment is only as good as the men behind it.

Heard account's of crews littraly shackled in to there tanks

SU-30k for Angola

Odunayaw:
Routine

The navy puts these Singapore kinetics HMGs on everything I wonder how many units they have.

Hrmnn:


Crew training and experience also played a role. The FAPLA tank crews had no idea what they were doing and frankly, no business being in a tank.

In his book "The Cuban Intervention in Angola", Edward Georges mentions that FAPLA was so short on tank crews sometimes they received their first crash training only hours before being sent into battle.

As opposed to the Ratel 90 and Eland 90 crews who were held to much higher standards, had to complete thorough gunnery training, and had logged considerable time on their weapons.

Any piece of equipment is only as good as the men behind it.

Near the end of South Africa's involment in the conflict 88-89. Their tank crews were of better quality than their infantry.

ActivateKruger:


The 76 is no longer powerful enough against modern armour that's why the SANDF downgraded the Rooikat 76 to a fire support vehicle not the tank destroyer it was initially designed to be. If you had to take it to a modern conventional war then the 105 is the way to go.

It was never designed as a tank destroyer, anti-armour(Not necessary tanks) yes, anti tank?? not so much....yes it could've been used as one during the border war, but it was first and foremost a Recce vehicle, built to replace the Eland 90.

"The Rooikat was developed to replace the “obsolete”1 Eland 60 and 90 series of armoured cars. Intended missions include combat reconnaissance, aggressive search-and-destroy, anti-armour operations, combat patrols, raids and hot pursuit operations as well as peacekeeping presence patrols."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6253:fact-file-rooikat-armoured-car-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Even by todays standards a 105mm gun would still be under gunned to be effective as a tank destroyer!!








See Mech and the others have responded with mostly what I wanted to say no need to replay!

ActivateKruger:


OK, you're making plenty of sense.

So there's a planned Rooikat replacement? I thought the Army was on "we don't buy anything anymore" mode.... If they have money to spare then how about they go back to the CSIR and finish up the African Warrior programme and get us some new patterns and some 21 century webbings.

No plan.....for a Rooikat replacement anyway(as far as im aware)!! Most were upgraded only a couple of years ago....So they are pretty modern, as mike said I think the next logical step would be the upgrading of the power unit as seen in the K9 prototype and possibly upgrading of the shells!

Don't think African Warrior was set out to replace our current S2000 Pattern or our webbing for that matter, for the most part the project is set out to upgrade the R4(Possibly a replacement),Modifying the kit to suit Women, surveillance systems, Upgrading of the command and control system and in the last phase an integrated helmet system!

LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

jln115:




Don't think African Warrior was set out to replace our current S2000 Pattern or our webbing for that matter, for the most part the project is set out to upgrade the R4(Possibly a replacement),Modifying the kit to suit Women, surveillance systems, Upgrading of the command and control system and in the last phase an integrated helmet system!

New patterns and webbings we discussed, maybe not with African Warrior but it's along the same lines.

Charlie 130 delivered between 1975 and 1976 NAF 910, NAF 911, NAF 912, NAF 913, NAF 914 and NAF 915, in 1985 NAF 916, NAF 917 and NAF 918.
https://twitter.com/MurtalaIbin/status/912935912262307840

Botswana

N o n s e n s e

ActivateKruger:


New patterns and webbings we discussed, maybe not with African Warrior but it's along the same lines.

Our Pattern is pretty modern, so I don't think it needs replacing in the near future, our webbing might be old but its still practical, even the newer webbing you see with 6 SAI and the Special forces guys is still heavily based on the M83 jacket.

New Cammo and Battle Jacket would be more a nice to have than a need to have! I personal feel an integrated helmet is the next way forward with regards to individual soldiers.

Wonder why no Nigerian film producer has never made a film about the military.

ActivateKruger:
LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

Morocco is getting one that goes over 300kmph, And the Gautrain has a top speed of 160kmph and is the fastest operational railway system in africa. Then there's also the proposed Johannesburg–Durban high-speed rail system which will also have a top speed of over 300kmph.

jln115:

Morocco is getting one that goes over 300kmph, And the Gautrain has a top speed of 160kmph and is the fastest operational railway system in africa. Then there's also the proposed Johannesburg–Durban high-speed rail system which will also have a top speed of over 300kmph.

Algeria have also many train lines with 160 km/h speed in service from years and a train line with 220 km/h operationnal speed should will be received in few months

Mig 29 M2 egyptian AF

ActivateKruger:
LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

Naij.c*m has always been an hub of fake news. I stopped reading their news a very long time ago. They are unprofessional and will do anything for traffics even if it means jeopardizing national unity. So a little lie to fool their followers who don't question simple fact will not be a problem for them.

Henry240 how many days was given for the US Congress to decide on blocking the A-29 deal. Isn't it over yet?

Xbee007:

Naij.c*m has alwaysthem.

Not true. That statement came directly from the Presidency. You can check other sources to verify.

tdayof:
Henry240 how many days was given for the US Congress to decide on blocking the A-29 deal. Isn't it over yet?

I haven't really been following it. However i believe the Vice-President's thank you message to the US congress when they visited him signifies it is a done deal.

jln115:


No plan.....for a Rooikat replacement anyway(as far as im aware)!! Most were upgraded only a couple of years ago....So they are pretty modern, as mike said I think the next logical step would be the upgrading of the power unit as seen in the K9 prototype and possibly upgrading of the shells!

Don't think African Warrior was set out to replace our current S2000 Pattern or our webbing for that matter, for the most part the project is set out to upgrade the R4(Possibly a replacement),Modifying the kit to suit Women, surveillance systems, Upgrading of the command and control system and in the last phase an integrated helmet system!

Yeah, Rooikat came out in the 1990's. The Bradley IFV is expected to serve until at-least 2035, probably into the 2040's.

I see no reason why we cannot get another 25 years out of the Rooikat, and upgrades arent that complex:

1. Powerpack - more potent, more efficient.
2. Better powerpack allows armor upgrade while maintaining current performance standards
3. Systems upgrades - basically just modernization packages for optics and substystems. The only new addition required would be netcentric warfare capabilities.
4. Ammunition - the development of over-pressure rounds and new kinetic-penetrators (tungsten alloys?) would improve anti-armor lethality. Conversy we could just stick an ATGM on the turret
5. [MORE IMPORTANT THAN #4] would be improved stabilization for the maingun - actually, I would put this at the top of the list.

Stick on RCWS on the turret with some good optics to boot and you have something that our children could be manning.

As for personal equipment... I think the army should start thinking about the push towards standardizing optics, or increasing the number of people in platoon who have weapon mounted optics. I have mixed feelings about the RPG-7V that we use

I would also like to see the introduction of a modular plate carrier system - something that can be "cut down" for long patrols in difficult conditions or "built up" for mechanised or urban conditions. The current design for the plate-Carriers or BPV we use are ageing very poorly. I think we should go the rout of the Russians with their 6sh112 - its and LBV like our Pat83 but its designed to integrate with both a light and medium plate carrier

Optimally though, I would like to see the adoption of a fully modular MOLLE based system that simultaniously fulls the role of an LBV and plate-carrier

I am thinking more VERTUS than Ratnik and the 6sh112

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh60QG_ZZBM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=didnrU77Gn8

Nigeria

PF ARA

It is a beauty!!!!

The ARA has a Stanag Level 4 protection.

ActivateKruger:
LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

The train with the fastest speed currently in Africa is 160 Km/hr, I haven't seen any fabrication, and that is what Nigeria is getting, until trains with higher speeds start arriving, it remains the fastest train in Africa.

ActivateKruger:
LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

This was is constantly on the offensive, quoting naij.com ? Hahahhaha...
don’t you have any better thing to do with your life

ActivateKruger:
LOL Nigeria

Is fabrication of facts a national thing? On my feeds this morning is a claim that "Nigeria will have the fastest train in Africa"... Upon reading the article it states that at 160km/h it will be the fastest train on the continent. WTF, no one researches in the land of the eagle.

https://www.naij.com/amp/1125711-fastest-trains-africa-reportedly-set-shipped-nigeria-china-photos.html

and trains have something to do with the military?

Odunayaw:
and trains have something to do with the military?

Edakun help me ask him!

The Katmerciler Hizir MRAP from Turkey has the same ground clearance as the Ara MRAP.

Whyem15:

The train with the fastest speed currently in Africa is 160 Km/hr, I haven't seen any fabrication, and that is what Nigeria is getting, until trains with higher speeds start arriving, it remains the fastest train in Africa.

First, Algeria and South Africa have trains that are currently doing 160km/h. Morocco has built and is now testing their 300km/h train. Now for someone to say "we will have the fastest train in Africa" at 160km/h is totally stupid when it doesn't even break the record of existing ones while it's even further behind a new one that's already going through tests.

This is a common trait displayed by some people in this very thread who often come with "we have the biggest, largest, best in Africa" talk. So that is why I asked if it's a national thing not to bother yourself with facts.

Henry240:
The Katmerciler Hizir MRAP from Turkey has the same ground clearance as the Ara MRAP.

Shorter wheelbase. I think we discussed this Henry240, don't do this to yourself.

jln115:

Same dude also says our Olifant mk1b beats the Abrams m1a2sep..... although I do agree with the above, but the 105 is over kill even the 76mm gun is more powerful than the Strykers 105mm

True! There aren't many targets our Al Shabaab , BH, M 23 type enemies provide for 105 mm guns. Hence your rapid fire 60 mm Badger. Ideally it would be modular design allowing for a 23 mm 4 barrel and/or some ATGM s like a low end Terminator type vehicle.

Members from the Nigerian Air Force Regiment conducting live fire demonstration exercise

Odunayaw:
and trains have something to do with the military?

They don't, the statement made there proves a million things to me.