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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:41am On Sep 29, 2017 |
You like arguing in circles. I've already made my point with stats. Barring injuries, only can Mikel can be considered above Joel Obi in AM/CM. Of course the coach decides who starts regardless. Napoleon55: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:02am On Sep 29, 2017 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:03am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:Enyeama don suffer!respect to Ezenwa.Enyeama just need a club in January,shikena. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:33am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:And the guy showed promise o, I think he was in the same wafu team was Ahmed musa I think. Azerbakwa chai!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Dedebanky85: 2:51am On Sep 29, 2017 |
You're one of the few realists on this forum. I score the list a vey high 93%. I would remove Tammy cos he ain't playing for Naija. The mess caused may lead to some kinda animosity btw he and NFF handlers. Also, I would not even put Joel Obi near that list, he may injure while the team is in the plane to Russia. Lol No loki is going. So I'd confidently give his slot to Ebuehi... Tammy's position would be btw Success and Kayode... But overall, almost accurate list. elyte89: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 4:20am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Napoleon55:don't forget he was in Serie A's best 11 in the month of August o Joebie hope I'm correct 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 4:35am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:just saw this now after making my earlier post Thanks for bringing it up 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:35am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Icon79: Olympics is still an age group competition Agu and Azubuike play in the same league and these are their stats Tackles Agu averages 3.7 tackles per game Azubuike averages 2.3 tackles per game Interceptions Azubuike averages 3.2 Agu averages 1.8 Fouls Azubuike averages 2 Agu averages 2.7 Clearances Azubuike averages 0.5 Agu averages 2.7 Dribbles Azubuike averages 2 Agu averages 0.8 Blocks Azubuike averages 0.2 Agu averages 0.5 Overall rating Agu: 7.02 Azubuike: 6.89 For tenacity, clearances and tackling, Agu is your man. For dribbles and reading the game, Azubuike is your man. From a defensive standpoint, Agu is a better choice. Overall, Agu has had the better start to the season so far from available stats. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 5:07am On Sep 29, 2017 |
bar his injury worries, Joel obi is a very good player and by now would have form a good partnership with Mikel. A Joel - Mikel midfield you will enjoy watching the eagles 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:13am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie: You mean if Joel Obi is fit he will be considered ahead of Mikel? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:19am On Sep 29, 2017 |
tbaba1234: And of course we have said it here repeatedly that stats do not tell the full story. Some players contribute more when they are with the national team than at club. All the times Azubuike has worn the green and white jerseys he was excellent including the AFCON qualifiers against Egypt. Meanwhile Mikel Agu, from the two occasions we have seen him play for the national team, seems not to be the kind of player we initially thought he is. Consider also that Azubuike is just 20. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:36am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Icon4s: In the first leg, Agu played decently in my opinion. He got unfair flak for the second leg. If not for Ezenwa's error, we had the second leg won. He was never the creative player to hold on to the ball and make play happen. Stats are useful in this case because both players are playing at the same level so a better comparison can be made. Azubuike is one for the future and he will get his time. Many have not seen him since the Olympics. U-23 football is not national team football. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:39am On Sep 29, 2017 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:07am On Sep 29, 2017 |
of course if he is not fit he can't be ahead of anyone. Only Mikel is ahead of a fully fit Obi. I'm not the coach. But I would prefer Mikel in a more stabilizing CM role than AM. I've made this argument before. Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 6:22am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Yea I just stumbled across that stat yesterday. I was actually looking for the particular week he made the best XI for the top 5 leagues combined. kingphilip: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 6:25am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Icon4s:I just went on YouTube now to go watch some of Azubuikes videos, my summary of the guy Great passing ability including long range passing Comfortable with the ball, can hold the ball In my own assessment besides Mikel it seems we don't have any midfielders right now who does these. Also remembering the last Olympics, if I recall correctly we lost the two matches that he didn't feature. An invitation to the eagles might be his launchpad. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 6:42am On Sep 29, 2017 |
tbaba1234: Honestly, I think we should review this issue of stats. Truth is stats do not really reflect the ability of a player. It only reveals the activities of a player in his club and not his abilities. Have we tried considering the fact that a player may be played out of position in his club? On paper it might seem Agu is beta. But in reality, Azubuike is worlds apart. That guy can really boss a midfield. His control is exceptional. As for me, that dude is an asset. Like someone mentioned earlier, at the u23 nations cup quarter finals, (if i am correct) he got carded and missed the semi final. That match, Nigeria struggled really hard without him. He was back in the final and things went back to normalcy. The same played out at the Olympics. We missed him against the Germans. The rest is history. The only grouse I have with him is his affinity for getting carded. But if you are looking for someone to neutralize an opponents attack, with good passing ability while mikel Obi is upfront, then Azubuike is your man I saw Mikel Agu come in our matches against Cameroon. First leg, he was ok. 2nd leg was in my opinion, not good enough. You can blame it on nerves or whatever. I would want to say this at this time. I am not doing player marketing here neither am I being biased. I respect every player that has been called into the super eagles. But when it comes to objectivity and productivity, I just feel we need to be an attacking team and not sitting ducks. As the old saying goes.... the best form of defence is attack. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:06am On Sep 29, 2017 |
kennysville: the best form of defence isn't always attack oo. If you meet a team with speedy wingers and you go and attack them bumper to bumper you will only get yourself killed. To the point you made, I totally agree. We have seen that sometimes Rohr favours a long ball approach and Onazi is not equal to a good passer by any stretch of the imagination and his hopeless long balls have led to numerous turnovers by the opposing team which could well be punished by a better opposition. Somehow on the sidelines you have Azubuike and Ogu, guys who thrive on long passes with brilliant passing stats but Onazi still starts, the spanish coach was quick to bench Xavi at the 2014 world cup because younger and better guys were coming through. Also on the sidelines(potentially) we have Joel Obi(If he stays injury free). He is one of the players who can play the CMF/AMF role. He isn't world-class but he is very good. A midfield combo of Mikel-Joel-Ndidi will achieve a lot of things. First, Ndidi will have to fall back as an out and out DMF and we all know the guy can make those long passes to perfection and his shots from deep would also be an asset. Then sitting beside him as a pseudo-Dmf/Cmf would be Joel, but in actual reality we would have a dynamic system where Mikel can fall back into the Dmf/Cmf role when the pressure on us gets too much allowing Joel to go a little bit further where his speed will aid potential counter-attacks and the rest is history. A fully-fit Joel Obi is totally better than everything we can offer in the CMF role, he is better than Ndidi in a Cmf role, Onazi? Not even close 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:43am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Kelechi Iheanacho’s Start At Leicester Stymied By His Sense Of Timing Richard Jolly | September 28, 2017 | 0 Comments ![]() Photo: Plumb Images - Leicester City FC/Getty Images The finish was scrappy, the ball poked over the line from about a yard. The foul that preceded it went unpunished. It won’t be goal of the season. It won’t even be Shinji Okazaki’s goal of the season. Or, for that matter, his goal of the week. Because the Japanese international’s strike against Liverpool on Saturday was his second in four days and his fourth in six matches this campaign. It is the sort of return that is more associated with Kelechi Iheanacho. Okazaki, whose first 80 games for Leicester had yielded a mere 12 goals but a Premier League title winner’s medal and an appearance in the Champions League quarter-finals, is the selfless worker turned strangely regular scorer. In contrast, Iheanacho is yet to open his Leicester account. That is scarcely a criticism: while he averaged a league goal every 107 minutes for Manchester City, he has only spent 105 minutes on the pitch for his new club. They have come in the form of one start and three substitute appearances, almost exactly mirroring his ratio at the other City: he began 12 top-flight games and had 34 cameos. His tales of two Cities may bear certain similarities. Iheanacho has a gift for being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area, but not in a broader context. His emergence at the Etihad Stadium hinted at a glorious future. Then Pep Guardiola, the scourge of the specialist finisher, arrived. There were times earlier this year when Iheanacho was not even on a bench shorn of strikers. He decamped to Leicester in time to see Jamie Vardy rediscover the sharpness that deserted him in the first half of last season, Okazaki to score at, for him, an unprecedented rate, Leonardo Ulloa sign a new contract and Islam Slimani stay after speculation he would be sold. Iheanacho’s unfortunate sense of timing seemed apparent from the off. He limped off 17 minutes into his friendly bow, in effect ending his chances of starting the season in the team. His competitive debut came as a substitute on the opening night at Arsenal. He entered the field with Leicester winning 3-2. They lost 4-3. Craig Shakespeare’s gamble of introducing a second striker backfired. His lone start came against Huddersfield. If the notion, both behind his selection and his £25 million signing, was that Vardy could forage more on the flanks, leaving Iheanacho to occupy the penalty area, the theory was only tested for 69 minutes. Then the England international was reunited with Okazaki in a partnership whose chemistry is proven. Three days later, Slimani and Okazaki scored against Liverpool. After a further four, Vardy and Okazaki did likewise. It illustrates the staying power of the sidekick supreme. Opponents and team-mates alike can testify to Okazaki’s tenacity. He has scrapped for his place after the arrivals of Slimani and Iheanacho in successive summers. Now £54 million of seemingly more prolific forwards look like replacements. Such duties seem inescapable for Iheanacho. For the meantime, anyway, he looks destined to remain a super-sub, a man whose capacity to make an immediate impact and whose eye for goal – and his 12 in the Premier League have come from just 55 attempts, giving him an impressive 22 percent chance conversion rate – renders him a perennial option but who struggles to displace those deemed to have more of an all-round game; that problem seems compounded when Okazaki, who appears his opposite, a player admired for everything bar his finishing touch, starts scoring. But it taps into a wider issue at Leicester. They have been unable to wean themselves off their title-winning blueprint. The 4-4-1-1 formula remains their most effective. They have made 11 signings in the last 16 months and only Harry Maguire and Wilfred Ndidi have become first choices. Even then, asterisks have to be applied. Robert Huth has not been fit since Maguire’s arrival. Ndidi in effect filled the spot N’Golo Kante vacated six months earlier. In short, none of Leicester’s greatest team have lost their place. Rightly so, perhaps, given the magnitude of their achievements. Yet if the signing of Iheanacho, like that of Slimani, seem designed to change that, Okazaki is dragging them back to their past, with typical willpower and atypical potency, while Iheanacho seems stuck in his, forever on the margins, never the main man. —uMAXit.com |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:28am On Sep 29, 2017 |
tbaba1234:Pls can u get me Raheem Lawal stats coz I believe d guy is better than d duo,though stand to be corrected |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:31am On Sep 29, 2017 |
tbaba1234: Azubuike has featured at senior level asides Olympics. Go and watch the Nigeria vs Egypt game. He IMO is one of the most underrated youngsters we have. While some others are being over-hyped Azubuike is being underrated. I personally rate him slightly lower than Etebo. I wonder who his representatives are. I am sure you know i am not in the habit of hyping or projecting young players unnecessarily but if I see one that has the quality I project. I am not Rohr but I will take him in my squad ahead of Mikel Agu. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:45am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Mickael2:Pls where is Raheem Lawal, I remember this guy pushed Onazi to RB in one of our Afcon qualifying match under Keshi. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:49am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Osmanlispor. Same club as Aminu Umar. Modifield Could also be because of lack of good options at RB Kog45: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:02am On Sep 29, 2017 |
You know, the Rio olympics afforded Rorh an opportunity to look at some of our players at that level. Shehu and Troost-Ekong were the beneficiaries. Rohr also spoke highly of Etebo at the time, but I think Etebo was injured so he didnt get an immediate call up. Did Rohr not see Azubuike enough? -- I can't say. But one thing I believe, Okechukwu will have a long spell with SE in future. Let's see how our bench fare against Algeria, then we can have more discussion about the options we still have out there. Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:03am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:No,we had a terrible match in one away that later affected our qualification,in d next match Keshi need to change d team,bringing in Raheem Lawal and Juwon Oshaniwa in place of Efe Ambrose and Echiejele respectively.Onazi was moved to RB and Lawal played DM,honestly d guy was superb. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:03am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Napoleon55: Seriously!!? ![]() There are many players ahead of Kelechi Nwakali but you want to specially groom Kelechi because those waiting in line, playing regularly two four seven, being nominated consecutively for MOTM & team of the week, week in week out etcetera are all mumunies from Somalia, ba? ![]() Roben and Ribery are also injury prone. Why dem country no dey drop dem? Joel Obi is miles a better player than John Ogu, Azuibike, Abdul, Etebor and Agu combined. ![]() This is in regards to CMF position. Gbam! ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:06am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Napoleon55: Joel Obi is better than Ndidi, Onazi and Iwobi in that CMF position. Fact ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:07am On Sep 29, 2017 |
I can only remember Onazi playing as RB in one of the matches at AFCON 2013. But let me confirm that. Modified Okay actually Ambrose was red carded in the AFCON opener (Burkina Faso). So Onazi played as RB in the next match, when we drew with Zambia at the group stage. Kog45: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:12am On Sep 29, 2017 |
elyte89: Assuming, half of these players didn't get game time for 4 months, will you still consider them for the world cup? ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:13am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:I believe getting national team called up required a lot of things and only coach can unravel it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 9:14am On Sep 29, 2017 |
I think if Agu is to make the world cup squad, I would rather we go with Joel Obi than him, Mikel Agu isn't really a player you can hand over the SE midfield to judging by the 2 games I have seen him play for us of recent. He's not really that good with reading the game unlike Joel Obi. Another point is that we have too many right legged players in the midfield and with Obi, a left legged player is achieved. There was a particular shot Mikel Obi should have taken in our recent match if he was a left legged player but couldn't do that, it was a clear goal scoring opportunity I think in Uyo. Lastly, Joel Obi can hold the ball and boss the midfield better than Mikel Agu. I say we drop Agu and pick Obi (they play same position). For size, I want Ogu to make the team incase we need to play against big body players which means Onazi would have to sit on the bench. Midfielders I want to see in Russia Mikel Obi, Joel Obi Onazi, Ogu Ndidi, Etebo Alex iwobi either as an attacker or a midfielder. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 9:15am On Sep 29, 2017 |
Joebie:Yea try to confirm |
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