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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:24pm On Sep 30, 2017
neighy:
mikel is a Nigerian Legend nd not a football legend.. lets not be sentimental.. Even him being world class is debatable
is it not football Mikel is playing that makes him a legend? Does that not make him a legend in football whether Nigerian or otherwise?

I don't think anyone can mention Nigerian footballers without calling Mikel, it's JJ, Kanu, Mikel.... He's a legend in football, if you now want to start tagging which kind, na you sabi....but it is the same thing. You can't even mention top African footballers in this century without calling Mikel and you want to reduce his achievements.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:27pm On Sep 30, 2017
Make Harry Kane go piss for pot oh
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 1:28pm On Sep 30, 2017
forgiveness:


Same rule should be applied to all sundry. Simple grin
which defender should have been called in his place?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by neighy(m): 1:35pm On Sep 30, 2017
safarigirl:
is it not football Mikel is playing that makes him a legend? Does that not make him a legend in football whether Nigerian or otherwise?

I don't think anyone can mention Nigerian footballers without calling Mikel, it's JJ, Kanu, Mikel.... He's a legend in football, if you now want to start tagging which kind, na you sabi....but it is the same thing. You can't even mention top African footballers in this century without calling Mikel and you want to reduce his achievements.

reduce his achievements how??
Mikel is a legend(african standard) Yes No Doubt...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:36pm On Sep 30, 2017
Loogan:


Lol bro kelechi is very important in the team now, he's our highest goal scorer, such a player cannot be left out, he's just finding his feet after an injury cut him some slack.
For the sake of their carrier stability I feel these players you mentioned need to find their feet and excel in their new club.
I'm not saying it wouldn't have been good to invite these players for the match, but we already have good players let's the guys who has the coach trust for now deliver then we can try these players in games to the World Cup. Although I do agree echiejile needs to be dropped.

@bolded said it all.

Coach trust even if the dropped players are maradona and banging in goals right left and center in their various clubs. grin

Al least, we saw trusted players like Gabriel, Uchebo, Ameobi, Nworfor etcetera went to the world cup because they were Keshi's most trusted players. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 1:37pm On Sep 30, 2017
Joebie:
Sir don't forget that Onazi attempted move to a Championship side failed. It usually happens to players like that after a botched move. He will regain his regular spot in the team.

@bolded so natural positions dey change like that eh? grin .

Onazi was not played in the wings at Lazio. At least in his last season there he featured as a CM or DM.



I think you quoted the wrong comment, this was about Kelechi not Onazi Sir
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 1:42pm On Sep 30, 2017
tbaba1234:


Distorting facts?

Brazil did not score against USA till the 72nd min. It was goalless for a long time. Yet the young striker was not introduced.

Amuneke did not play a single minute in Tunisia 94 till the final.

Ronaldo could certainly have played the final, Brazil were dominant but could not find a breakthrough.

What about the third group game against Sweden? Brazil had already qualified, what better time to introduce the youngster.

He was simply not seen as ready. USA 94 was a way to blood a great prospect into the team not to play him.



the fact was in that game against USA they were reduced to ten men in the first half and in that situation you do not introduce a striker at all, rather you even take out a striker to ensure stability.


In the other games IIRC their coach was conservative. He hardly made any sub, the simple truth is that Ronaldo deserved his spot at that world cup
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:43pm On Sep 30, 2017
chrisooblog:
sorry but I don't agree that he should train with the world cup bound squad based on grooming of his potential if he is good enough then he can be invited on merit. If not he can continue to improve at club level when by God's grace we beat zambia to qualify for the world cup we can then call him up with other hopefuls for the game against algeria to get a good look at them to see if they are good enough

Kelechi Nwakali in camp training with the team has no way of detering the efforts of his team. We only have a gain of having a quality potential talent training with one of the best the country has produced. Giving him a chance to closely learn from him and gain valuable advice.

I wonder why delaying such seems a better idea.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:49pm On Sep 30, 2017
GERMANY: Bundesliga - Round 7:

Time: 2.30PM Nigerian Time
Wolfsburg VS Mainz
Victor Osimhen (Wolfsburg) and Leon Balogun (Mainz) are both available for selection.
New Wolfsburg coach Martin Schmidt did not list Osimhen in their game against Bayern.
He made an instant impact last week when his team came back strongly to gain a great point away to Bayern Munich (2-2).

Schmidt only left Mainz as coach at the end of May so should have some good insight of Balogun and his teammates.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:50pm On Sep 30, 2017
Joebie:
Ronaldo was selected in Brazil’s squad for the 1994 World Cup at the age of 17. By then he had scored 44 goals in 47 games for Cruzeiro but he watched and learned rather than played as his compatriots won the tournament.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/29/ronaldo-brazil-world-cup-final-2002-japan


In the final during the celebration, I remember the commentator saying some thing in the line of, "That is Ronaldo, he may be too young to participate in such a big event, but mark my words, few years from now, he will be the best player in the World."

Ronaldo was not to play but learn. Was he good? Yes. Fortunately, he had the Brazilian league to also help nurture him. Something we do not have in our local league. Why not adopt something that also helped the quick transition.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Loogan(m): 1:50pm On Sep 30, 2017
forgiveness:


@bolded said it all.

Coach trust even if the dropped players are maradona and banging in goals right left and center in their various clubs. grin

Al least, we saw trusted players like Gabriel, Uchebo, Ameobi, Nworfor etcetera went to the world cup because they were Keshi's most trusted players. grin

Rorh is an intelligent and experienced coach I think he knows more than you about the team.
Which of the players he left out are banging on goals left right and center? Is ighalo not in better form than any striker we have presently? Moses, nwakeme(underrated guy), iwobi(before the injury), Moses Simon has been in the team and understand our system better than onyekuru. We don't understand the way these coaches think when it comes to building a team and selection, it's much more deeper. Just because onyekuru is banging in goals now dosent mean he will understand and give that work ethic and team strategy better than Moses Simon.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:53pm On Sep 30, 2017
Loogan:


Rorh is an intelligent and experienced coach I think he knows more than you about the team.
Which of the players he left out are banging on goals left right and center? Is ighalo not in better form than any striker we have presently? Moses, nwakeme(underrated guy), iwobi(before the injury), Moses Simon has been in the team and understand our system better than onyekuru. We don't understand the way these coaches think when it comes to building a team and selection, it's much more deeper. Just because onyekuru is banging in goals now dosent mean he will understand and give that work ethic and team strategy better than Moses Simon.

To explain it better, in a parked bus strategy, the more defensive player is the more talented one. That is why Simon gets the nod.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:56pm On Sep 30, 2017
Joebie:
REVEALED: 70% OF CHELSEA FANS WANT 25-YEAR-OLD TO MAKE SURPRISE START AGAINST MAN CITY



Date: 30th September 2017 at 7:45am
Written by: George Blake

The Chelsea fans in the Transfer Tavern have been pleased with the form of Victor Moses this season…

The Nigerian has continued his fine form from last season, dominating the right-hand side of the defence and proving once more why previous managers were wrong to dismiss him.

However, a vocal section of the Chelsea fans in the pub are also very keen to see what Davide Zappacosta can do. Brought in to rival Moses on the right-hand side, the Italian hasn’t had much of a chance yet, and with a game against Man City on the horizon, could he finally get his chance?

This is a debate that we recently opened up to a poll, and the results of said poll were quite astonishing. Surprisingly, a whopping 70% of polled fans want to see Zappacosta play ahead of Moses, with the Italian clearly gaining quite the fanbase after his Qarabag heroics.


Significantly, a similar question was posed ahead of Chelsea’s clash with Leicester City a few weeks ago, and the results were very different. Indeed, at that point, it was Moses that won the race – with a whopping 71% of fans keen to see the Nigerian feature from the start.

Results, then, have done a complete 180 since then, and it’s tough to understand why. Moses’ form has continued to excell, but it appears as though supporters have a yearning for something new.

--FootballTransferTavern

Victor needs stuff like this, extra motivation.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 2:02pm On Sep 30, 2017
BascoVanVeli:


Victor needs stuff like this, extra motivation.
honestly, I want the Zappacosta guy to start, just so Moses is injury-free, and of course ro laugh when he gets skinned by City players, Chelsea fans will then realise that there is no team like Qarasbag in EPL

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 2:02pm On Sep 30, 2017
Hello house, any recent news on Ikeme and Enyeama?

Our current goal keepers are all below average (international standard gauging).

Not asking because of Zambia but for the nearest future.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:03pm On Sep 30, 2017
Brazil has a history. Pele was 17 when he turned heads at the world cup level. Of the two things implied in that part of the link I quoted, one remains a fact -- Ronaldo deserved to make that team. The commentator according to you said, "he MAY be too young". I'm still waiting for someone to quote the coach as saying he never intended to field Ronaldo prior to that World Cup. I've said this before and I will say it again, many teams rarely field ALL the players in their World Cup squads. Top teams usually have a star studded sides. No player just makes the numbers, but at the same time it is guaranteed that not all will play. The coach will decide when the going goes tough or when the going is well.

Modified
It's natural to assume that he was there to learn because of his age. What would you say about other players were never pulled out of the bench? where they also there to learn? As long as Ronaldo did excellently prior to that world cup, he deserved to make that team.

TheGoodJoe:


In the final during the celebration, I remember the commentator saying some thing in the line of, "That is Ronaldo, he may be too young to participate in such a big event, but mark my words, few years from now, he will be the best player in the World."

Ronaldo was not to play but learn. Was he good? Yes. Fortunately, he had the Brazilian league to also help nurture him. Something we do not have in our local league. Why not adopt something that also helped the quick transition.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 2:06pm On Sep 30, 2017
neighy:
reduce his achievements how?? Mikel is a legend(african standard) Yes No Doubt...
and also in Chelsea...that's Europe ryt?
his only problem is that...he is African.. had it been he was a European...you can imagine that for yourself...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 2:08pm On Sep 30, 2017
forgiveness:


Same goes for Kelechi, Onyekuru, Aweriam etcetera who just got new teams yet were called. grin


How do you explain Onyekuru's treatment. His experience in the National hasn't been different from Kayode's. Is it also due to foul play that he has been excluded?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:15pm On Sep 30, 2017
ok my bad
Mickael2:



I think you quoted the wrong comment, this was about Kelechi not Onazi Sir
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 2:16pm On Sep 30, 2017
Lest we forget, the Coach's job is to assemble the best team to prosecute HIS plan, not the best players in every position. It is his prerogative to decide on formation, tactics and the right mix of players to deploy and no two people will deploy the same resources and tactics, otherwise football will be too predictable and there may no longer be need for human coaches in which case, we would find a robot which will collate all the stats available to assemble a team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:30pm On Sep 30, 2017
You have just made a very good point! "The best player in every position" may not do justice to the way the coach PLANS to play. Besides, it's not like every player is restricted to playing just one position. As they say, football is not mathematics.

What we need is an insight to Rohr's winning philosophy, then we can have a realistic input as to whether we think it would work, or we can suggest players that would best suit his plan.

tglobal:
Lest we forget, the Coach's job is to assemble the best team to prosecute HIS plan, not the best players in every position. It is his prerogative to decide on formation, tactics and the right mix of players to deploy and no two people will deploy the same resources and tactics, otherwise football will be too predictable and there may no longer be need for human coaches in which case, we would find a robot which will collate all the stats available to assemble a team.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by neighy(m): 2:31pm On Sep 30, 2017
Humility017:

and also in Chelsea...that's Europe ryt?

his only problem is that...he is African..
had it been he was a European...you can imagine that for yourself...
mikel is a legend in chelsea Wow
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:36pm On Sep 30, 2017
neighy:
mikel is a legend in chelsea Wow

I don't want to talk
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 2:36pm On Sep 30, 2017
neighy:
mikel is a legend in chelsea Wow
you can report me anywhere...I said that.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:37pm On Sep 30, 2017
Joebie:
Brazil has a history. Pele was 17 when he turned heads at the world cup level. Of the two things implied in that part of the link I quoted, one remains a fact -- Ronaldo deserved to make that team. The commentator according to you said, "he MAY be too young". I'm still waiting for someone to quote the coach as saying he never intended to field Ronaldo prior to that World Cup. I've said this before and I will say it again, many teams rarely field ALL the players in their World Cup squads. Top teams usually have a star studded sides. No player just makes the numbers, but at the same time it is guaranteed that not all will play. The coach will decide when the going goes tough or when the going is well.

Modified
It's natural to assume that he was there to learn because of his age. What would you say about other players were never pulled out of the bench? where they also there to learn? As long as Ronaldo did excellently prior to that world cup, he deserved to make that team.



Simple and short brother, simple and short
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:39pm On Sep 30, 2017
Loogan:


Rorh is an intelligent and experienced coach I think he knows more than you about the team.
Which of the players he left out are banging on goals left right and center? Is ighalo not in better form than any striker we have presently? Moses, nwakeme(underrated guy), iwobi(before the injury), Moses Simon has been in the team and understand our system better than onyekuru. We don't understand the way these coaches think when it comes to building a team and selection, it's much more deeper. Just because onyekuru is banging in goals now dosent mean he will understand and give that work ethic and team strategy better than Moses Simon.


Of course, he knows his boys more than me.

Of course, he left out Kayode who was banging in goals left right and center in the Austrian league before he later succumbed to pressure to hand him invitation.

The invitation was to give him the chance to prove himself but Rohr never gave him that chance. Why?

This was when he was in better form than all the strikers we have but why was he not invited then?

Are Moses and Nwakaeme strikers? Is Onyekuru a striker?


We understand how coaches work in Europe and other countries by extending invitations to players doing very well in their various clubs but we don't understand how it is done only in NIGERIA. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 2:40pm On Sep 30, 2017
neighy:
mikel is a legend in chelsea Wow
oh you don't know??

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by neighy(m): 2:41pm On Sep 30, 2017
safarigirl:
honestly, I want the Zappacosta guy to start, just so Moses is injury-free, and of course ro laugh when he gets skinned by City players, Chelsea fans will then realise that there is no team like Qarasbag in EPL
those white boys.. Dey dont value what dey have n dey wont know until dey lose it... buh conte knows better... Bar injury or drop in form from moses side d best zappa can get r carling cup ties n not to forget qarabag
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by neighy(m): 2:42pm On Sep 30, 2017
Mickael2:


I don't want to talk
Na so we see am ooo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:44pm On Sep 30, 2017
tglobal:
Lest we forget, the Coach's job is to assemble the best team to prosecute HIS plan, not the best players in every position. It is his prerogative to decide on formation, tactics and the right mix of players to deploy and no two people will deploy the same resources and tactics, otherwise football will be too predictable and there may no longer be need for human coaches in which case, we would find a robot which will collate all the stats available to assemble a team.


Only in Nigeria this your philosophy works.

Go to other countries they use their best players to build best teams. grin

Can you please give me just 5 examples of top 5 teams in the world without their best players not playing for the national team. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by neighy(m): 2:46pm On Sep 30, 2017
kingphilip:
oh you don't know??
Lampard i know, terry i know, DD11 I know, buh mikel i dont know... Or maybe i dont know wah the meaning of LEGEND IS ..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:47pm On Sep 30, 2017
tglobal:


How do you explain Onyekuru's treatment. His experience in the National hasn't been different from Kayode's. Is it also due to foul play that he has been excluded?

Onyekuru is definitely going to make the team. Rohr's body language tells it all. grin

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