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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:48am On Oct 10, 2017
safarigirl:
while una stikk dey follow am talk, let us talk about the people that don't need talks to play for us.

That is being realistic, not dreaming about players that are attached

safarigirl, you know me well for who I am as per my ideologies here.

I don't just clamor for players any how.

Yes we will continue to discuss the players we have already but do you recognise the lack of quality in our attack?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 10:49am On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
Oga icon4s u be boss here,pls i want u to tell us d striker now,agreed Nacho is warming bench,Ighalo not too clinical.

Pls let's go down to memory lane,Westerhoff era,we have Yekini,Amokachie, Siasia as d strikers but i can tell u they are not our best in Europe as at that time but d best in national team.

Hope u remember Richard Owubokiri in Boavista,d second best striker in d whole Europe but couldn't break into Eagles, Did u remember Mike Obiku in Feyenord,Chris Ohenhen in Compostela in LA liga.

These are in form player and superb strikers who are supposed to be in d team but Westerhoff believe National team was a different ball games and he stick to his team especially Samson Siasia who was finding it difficult in Europe.

Despite Efan Ekoku high profile with Norwich he find it difficult to break into XI,if I can remember Ekoku only had a game against Zaire.

My question is this where are d strikers that are better,if we can get them no issue,national team belongs to all players.



dont forget Evan Ekoku style of play those years were typical english style , not until the europe in general adjusted to their kick and follow style .... english football is difficult and its one way traffic in those days .... Westerholf liked team work , and if you re a player that doesnt play with the team , you will sit on the bench , Ask Jayjay .
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:51am On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
My man am not comparing this team with any old super eagles teams.

My point is this do we have players to give Iheanacho, Ighalo a serious fight for a shirt at d moment.

Is the World Cup this month?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 10:53am On Oct 10, 2017
Pinnick cannot force any player on Rohr. The best he can do is aid the process of the switch. However, if Tammy is invited and comes good under Rohr before Russia, nobody can stop Tammy from going. We can shout all we want on NL.

safarigirl:
ehn. You'll be vindicated after the World Cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by femianski: 10:54am On Oct 10, 2017
Iceland qualifies for world Cup imagine our group being like this Russia Nigeria Saudi Arabia Iceland

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:55am On Oct 10, 2017
Joebie:
Pinnick cannot force any player on Rohr. The best he can do is aid the process of the switch. However, if Tammy is invited and comes good under Rohr before Russia, nobody can stop Tammy from going. We can shout all we want on NL.


So you are also of this view.

Why are you now saying I am not being realistic?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 10:55am On Oct 10, 2017
Haha you have just conceded there is none at the moment. Nobody is saying we should shut the doors to other strikers. The fact is Ighalo is our best at the moment.

Icon4s:


Is the World Cup this month?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:58am On Oct 10, 2017
Joebie:
Haha you have just conceded there is none at the moment. Nobody is saying we should shut the doors to other strikers. The fact is Ighalo is our best at the moment.


It means you have not been reading my posts well.

Have we not been discussing on how to improve the attack for the world cup?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:01am On Oct 10, 2017
Joebie:
Pinnick cannot force any player on Rohr. The best he can do is aid the process of the switch. However, if Tammy is invited and comes good under Rohr before Russia, nobody can stop Tammy from going. We can shout all we want on NL.

which switch?

So, you think Tammy will be under less pressure from the press in two months? You think he will jist go and switch and the English press will not hear about it after this debacle?

And later you will accuse someone else of dreaming....grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:03am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


safarigirl, you know me well for who I am as per my ideologies here.

I don't just clamor for players any how.

Yes we will continue to discuss the players we have already but do you recognise the lack of quality in our attack?
I'm guessing you just don't like Cyril Dessers. Not Nigerian enough?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:06am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Begging ke.

He has not rejected Nigeria. He just has not accepted Nigeria yet. So he us still open for talks.

someone else is behind this moniker

the icon4s we know will not beg for Tammy to play for nigeria after snubbing and embarrassing us

I rather will call back yakubu than to see tammy play for us

besides I don't think he is even better than iheanacho

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:06am On Oct 10, 2017
safarigirl:
I'm guessing you just don't like Cyril Dessers. Not Nigerian enough?

To be sincere, I have not seen him enough to clamor for him.

I only clamor for players I have studied closely.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 11:07am On Oct 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Ighalo's had other flaws apart from anticipating a cross. He missed chances too. I repeat, if Iheanacho had that exact performance, he would have been crucified here.


other flaws,

I had to give up yesterday cos, my battery was running down,
even now too,

but did like to ask, when will you see the good in another striker apart from Nacho in regards to the SE

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:08am On Oct 10, 2017
jotey:


someone else is behind this moniker

the icon4s we know will not beg for Tammy to play for nigeria after snubbing and embarrassing us

I rather will call back yakubu than to see tammy play for us

besides I don't think he is even better than iheanacho

Has Tammy rejected Nigeria?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:10am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Is the World Cup this month?
My man na today we go know how tomorrow go be.

Pls can u give me a pool of players u think they can do it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:11am On Oct 10, 2017
those shouting he is under yeye pressure pressure

iwobi was under much pressure even on his first competitive debut against Egypt.I Can still remember the English FA begging him to play for them but yet iwobi snubbed them for us

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:11am On Oct 10, 2017
The World Cup is still 9 months or so away. Many things can happen before then. I'm just saying things as it is. I'm not in #ProTeamTAmmy. Neither am I in #TeamAntiTammy. The reality is TAmmy has potentials and has never turned down Nigeria. Whether he comes good eventually for us remains to be seen. You can't make a premature argument that he is better than Ighalo. Someone that still has much to prove at club level and has not even earned his first SE cap. come on now.. Every position in SE needs competition. I'm comfortable about Ighalo's performance lately. I'm not saying he is the best possible. But at the moment, he is the best 9 I have seen so far under Rohr.

Icon4s:


It means you have not been reading my posts well.

Have we not been discussing on how to improve the attack for the world cup?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:13am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:

Has Tammy rejected Nigeria?
he said he is focused on England u-21
why not let him be
is it by force?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:16am On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
My man na today we go know how tomorrow go be.

Pls can u give me a pool of players u think they can do it.

Oga, the WC is still 9months away, the European season is still young.

My point is we must recognise the fact that our attacking department is lagging.

If you say the attack does not need improvements no wahala. But I am sure Rohr has recognized this fact. How strikers will be invited for assessment from here onwards is left to Rohr and his crew to decide.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by femianski: 11:17am On Oct 10, 2017
for me ighalo had a nice game
concerning that counter attack that iwobi set up ighalo shouldn't have cut back he should have tried to use his left foot
am sure kelechi would have converted that chance cos he is a left footer
but if we should take a close look at ighalo performance he did well (a bit above average) cos of his work rate except from the chance he missed from Moses Simon cross
he was too slow to convert that Chance
I am sure kelechi would have converted that chance cos he gets into scoring positions
to crown it all both ighalo and kelechi shouldn't be written off cos they are very good in their own talent
ighalo can bully but his finishing is a bit above average while kelechi is a wonderful finisher but he needs to improve on his strength and first touch

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:19am On Oct 10, 2017
jotey:


he said he is focused on England u-21

why not let him be

is it by force?

It cannot be by force.

Since he is still eligible to represent Nigeria, we have the rights to hold talks with him and his reps on the issue.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:22am On Oct 10, 2017
Joebie:
The World Cup is still 9 months or so away. Many things can happen before then. I'm just saying things as it is. I'm not in #ProTeamTAmmy. Neither am I in #TeamAntiTammy. The reality is TAmmy has potentials and has never turned down Nigeria. Whether he comes good eventually for us remains to be seen. You can't make a premature argument that he is better than Ighalo. Someone that still has much to prove at club level and has not even earned his first SE cap. come on now.. Every position in SE needs competition. I'm comfortable about Ighalo's performance lately. I'm not saying he is the best possible. But at the moment, he is the best 9 I have seen so far under Rohr.

You have the gift of being balanced in your judgements. Respect.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:23am On Oct 10, 2017
Totally different situation. Different stages of the switch process. You just suggested it. It was a little too late for them when they became interested.

Read this link. Educate yourself on Iwobi's case:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/mar/26/arsenal-alex-iwobi-england-nigeria

Let me help you with a few paragraphs from that source on Iwobi.

"Ok, perhaps there is a bit of self-interest here from Wenger when playing for England would mean Iwobi not disappearing mid-season every couple of years for the Africa Cup of Nations. Yet Iwobi said himself in January that he would have “loved” to play for England and it would be intriguing to know why the FA did not try harder to make it happen before Friday’s cutoff point.

Hodgson made a personal intervention to ambush the Republic of Ireland’s plans for Grealish. Iwobi, in stark contrast, appears to have slipped away without anything like the same kind of fight.

It certainly wasn’t a snap judgment on the teenager’s part to look elsewhere given his last appearance for England came at under-18 level in October 2013 and it was almost two years later that he grew tired of waiting, registered with Nigeria and made his first couple of appearances in non-binding friendlies. Iwobi has apparently talked of feeling unwanted by England, though, in fairness to the FA, it did presumably play a part that the player’s uncle is Jay-Jay Okocha, football royalty in Nigeria."

jotey:
those shouting he is under yeye pressure pressure

iwobi was under much pressure even on his first competitive debut against Egypt.I Can still remember the English FA begging him to play for them but yet iwobi snubbed them for us

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:27am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


It cannot be by force.

Since he is still eligible to represent Nigeria, we have the rights to hold talks with him and his reps on the issue.
Sir Icon4s you are unusually passionate about this Tammy matter and I guess it's cos of the fact that something vital is missing in that attack. Truth is we can build at least a quarter final team if we have all the right pieces in place. But getting that guy would be extremely difficult, even more so than when we got Iwobi but no harm in trying. The best, the very best is what we want for the team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:29am On Oct 10, 2017
Thank you sir. I'm humbled by your fine remark

Mujtahida:

You have the gift of being balanced in your judgements. Respect.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:30am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Oga, the WC is still 9months away, the European season is still young.

My point is we must recognise the fact that our attacking department is lagging.

If you say the attack does not need improvements no wahala. But I am sure Rohr has recognized this fact. How strikers will be invited for assessment from here onwards is left to Rohr and his crew to decide.
My man thank God we qualified coz it was d qualification that is given us avenue to discuss may be d team need players or not.

Truly it's left for Rohr to decide what he want not we,d team is taking shape and I know before WC we w have a good team.

One thing is cleared no mediocre in d guise that we need potent striker,after South Africa match we saw what happened how player like Aron Samuel came into the team.This is a player that's finding it difficult to make his team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:32am On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


It cannot be by force.

Since he is still eligible to represent Nigeria, we have the rights to hold talks with him and his reps on the issue.

No . we don't have any right

the boy said he wants to focus on England u-21

he should keep focusing

why should we disturb him

he declined an offer to play in the world cup with Nigeria for an England u-21

if that is not rejection then it is hugging abi grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:32am On Oct 10, 2017
Talks with Tammy and his agent, together with his father have been held. We have played our part. They picked the form. Will they fill it and turn it in? Really, the ball is now on their court.
Calling for another talks is going too far. Or is anyone suggesting that Tammy should be promised a world cup slot or what? What else will Pinnick be telling them now besides what has already been said?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35am On Oct 10, 2017
do4luv14:



other flaws,

I had to give up yesterday cos, my battery was running down,
even now too,

but did like to ask, when will you see the good in another striker apart from Nacho in regards to the SE

So the Onyekuru I have been writing upandan is a Zimbabwean player. I have highlighted my hope in Osimhen ending this season with a bang.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ProfOrlando: 11:36am On Oct 10, 2017
why is everyone just keen on Tammy Abraham, c'mon , we need a keeper now more than a striker.........

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:37am On Oct 10, 2017
on point!!!

femianski:
for me ighalo had a nice game
concerning that counter attack that iwobi set up ighalo shouldn't have cut back he should have tried to use his left foot
am sure kelechi would have converted that chance cos he is a left footer
but if we should take a close look at ighalo performance he did well (a bit above average) cos of his work rate except from the chance he missed from Moses Simon cross
he was too slow to convert that Chance
I am sure kelechi would have converted that chance cos he gets into scoring positions
to crown it all both ighalo and kelechi shouldn't be written off cos they are very good in their own talent
ighalo can bully but his finishing is a bit above average while kelechi is a wonderful finisher but he needs to improve on his strength and first touch
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:39am On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Sir Icon4s you are unusually passionate about this Tammy matter and I guess it's cos of the fact that something vital is missing in that attack. Truth is we can build at least a quarter final team if we have all the right pieces in place. But getting that guy would be extremely difficult, even more so than when we got Iwobi but no harm in trying. The best, the very best is what we want for the team.

You get the point. That's all.

I am not comfortable with our pool of strikers.

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