Joebie:
Mickael2 let me clear you on the 4-2-3-1 . consider the italicized, the quote and the source:

Encourages Creativity


"Since there are three attacking midfielders in most 4-2-3-1s, there are plenty of chances for creativity. Even if only two of the three are good creators, defenses have to stay on their toes for runs coming from all angles.

The top teams that run the 4-2-3-1 will often allow their players to have freedom all over the pitch. That means that one of the defensive midfielders might join the attack and/or the attacking midfielders can act as second strikers.If you want an opportunity to be a great playmaker, then this is one of the best formations for you."

https://www.perfectsoccerskills.com/articles/strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-4-2-3-1-formation

TheGoodJoe:


I think I hammered repeatedly that Ighalo worked hard. Giving his best has never and will never be a doubt from Ighalo. What he lacks is movement and mobility to fit an offensive set-up. The idea of Mikel pressing shows this.

So telling me Ighalo works hard is far from the point. The point is lack of mobility and poor conversion rate.

My point remains if Iheanacho had that performance, many will tag him poor and will come for his neck. Yet you are here talking working hard.

Joebie:
Journalists only report what coaches say.
The Algerian coach was only covering for his mistakes. No coach will admit that they focused on one player and missed it. That's exposing incompetence. That's something you can see for yourself (for analytical minds). The videos are there. His strategies backfired. Can't you see how it all turned out for them, match after match? He was incompetent.

Victor Moses worse game in my opinion was the final game. And I had said based on his standards, he performed below par. You can go back and read my rating comments. That's how highly I rate him. he still made the best XI in Africa for that round of matches. Now i'm convinced you can't read matches -- for you to say Moses had not had it easy.

Joebie:
I have never here tagged Iheanacho poor.

TheGoodJoe:
By the way, during the game, I hinted to some people in the bar that I believe it was Mikel Obi that told Mikel Agu to keep it simple and stick to his defensive midfield position. Although Rohr also highlighted that Mikel Agu is learning the role.

Agu played the DMF role while Ndidi played more of a central role.

Mickael2:



source
https://www.soccerpilot.com/tactic/articles/introduction-to-the-4-2-3-1-formation,-soccer.html



It's actually superfluous, but we will go into it anyway. Our "sixes" need to possess a high degree of footballing intelligence and the ability to "read" a game. But all players need that nowadays, don't they? The "double six" is often interpreted in the following way as part of this system of play: one of the "sixes" is more offensively oriented, is often unmarked in the midfield and thus can be passed to, additionally takes care of the playmaking and secures the rear space behind number 10 if his team is in possession of the ball. The second "six" is mostly responsible for defensive tasks.

TheGoodJoe:


You are saying Ighalo gave assist as if Iheanacho does not create assists and chances for hi teammates. As I said, double sided criticism. In the game against South Africa many criticised, Nacho created a chance for Etebo that Etebo flunked.

Mickael2:



I thought I was alone. The coach subbed in a player as the CMF and suddenly he is now playing the DMF role, obviously it wasn't the coach that passed across that instruction. Like I said during the game and I am saying today again, I would not be suprised if it was Mikel that told him to go to the DMF role

Joebie:
Sir I asked you to youtube it.. watch the build ups. I've never said Iheanacho does not create assists. I've always said both players have their strengths.. Granted Iheanacho has something lacking in Ighalo's game, and vice versa. That has always been my stance.

TheGoodJoe:


Ha. Ighalo was poor against Zambia. Saying Ighalo performed better in that game than Nacho against Algeria is saying Iheanacho was poor.

Joebie:


I don't think the player will eventually cut it. I've been following him.

Speculative news though

TheGoodJoe:


My stance is simple to understand. Even after Iheanacho played well against Algeria, people came for his neck. Many asked for him dropped. Even after the Algerian coached highlighted they lost because of Iheanacho, the wolves were still out for him.

Ighalo comes in and has a poor game and the wolves can not even mew. I find it disturbing.

Joebie:
That's how you interpret that. Iheanacho did not give -- versus Algeria -- what Ighalo gave against Zambia in Uyo.

terzurum5:

Why won't he cut in with the Super Eagles?

TheGoodJoe:


What about what Ighalo did not give? Like not being able to press, not fast enough to spaces or poor in taking his chances.

Joebie:
Haha.. I didn't criticize Iheanacho.
And Ighalo performed well.

TheGoodJoe:


What are you writing there? Is there anybody here who doubts Victor Moses quality?

The point is simple. Very simple. He pointed Iheanacho as the key to our win and the dominating display of Victor Moses. Definitely Victor Moses best game in this series.

Victor Moses will not find that kind of room if not Iheanacho's threat and movement that kept the defenders confused and off position. This is also simple to understand. It does not undermine Victor Moses quality.

So saying Ighalo performed better after such poor display is the height of oversight and shading a player.

TheGoodJoe:


Ighalo did not. If Iheanacho performed that way, the wolves would criticise it as poor performance. Why is it good for Ighalo but terrible for Nacho? Bias.

Joebie:
Let me take you on with your own source.
@ first bolded, does not necessarily refer to positional play generally but assigned role, instruction given, and ability, as it continues "when in possession". More players generally often advance when in possession.
@ second bolded, also is more like saying defensive minded. But the general shape of the sixes are double DMFs. Players drift according to what's happening during the match.

But even if I agree with you that Rohr asked (I would expect not Mikel hmmm) Agu to do more of the defensive duties and for Ndidi to be offensive minded, that's not a tactical change. That's a forced change. Ndidi just swapped roles with injured Onazi. And Agu took his place. Still buttresses my point.

Modified
your link is broken

Mickael2:



me I don't know what you are arguing again. Ok Agu was the more defensive minded pivot(they are called pivots not DMFs) and Ndidi is the more offensive/central pivot am I missing something?


My point has been clear, subbing in Agu was a poor sub, like for like it was bad because Agu came in for a CMF and he(agu)is not a CMF in any way and we suffered for a few mins because of that. Tactically it was also a bad sub because you removed a workhorse and you introduced a slow player and somehow instructed the slow player to take up the position that requires a lot more running about

TheGoodJoe:


I think I hammered repeatedly that Ighalo worked hard. Giving his best has never and will never be a doubt from Ighalo. What he lacks is movement and mobility to fit an offensive set-up. The idea of Mikel pressing shows this.

So telling me Ighalo works hard is far from the point. The point is lack of mobility and poor conversion rate.

My point remains if Iheanacho had that performance, many will tag him poor and will come for his neck. Yet you are here talking working hard.

komekn:


Tega Abrahams is not a winger, he an out an out No.9

Abdul Ajagun is he on the up? is he one of the best in his league. Is he better than Fred Onyedinma and or Tega Onomah?

Taiwo Awoniyi hasn't done enough to merit a call up although the season is still young, let's see.

Would like to see Seyi Ojo in the mix. Which left sided player do we have that is better than him

Mujtahida:

Ighalo did not lack movement and mobility in that game. He lacked precision.

TheGoodJoe:


Ha. Ighalo was poor against Zambia. Saying Ighalo performed better in that game than Nacho against Algeria is saying Iheanacho was poor.

tbaba1234:


Alright, these are my thoughts.

Ajagun plays from either wings at his club not in the centre of midfield. He has not distinguished himself as a creative outlet or defensive midfielder to justify inclusion in the center of the field. I think there are options ahead of him.

For Aiyenugba, we have not seen much of him for years. On what basis, should he be number 1? He could be invited to compete though but i expect Enyeama to return.

Joebie:
That's how you interpret that. Iheanacho did not give -- versus Algeria -- what Ighalo gave against Zambia in Uyo.

Mujtahida:

You exaggerate Iheanacho too much. In this campaign, his best was against Zambia in Ndola- he had a very good game.
Now as I have come to see it: this is where the problem of why it seems Iheanacho gets the most flak here stems from: you exaggerate too much on him and when others try to straighten out the facts it would now seem like they are putting the young man down. Nobody said Ighalo was superb. He worked hard, got into goal scoring positions at least four times- 1)he mistimed his run for the Moses cross and missed the chance by whiskers 2)he was already in position for the poor cross from Onazi, 3)he opened up for the Victor Moses pass that he shot over the bar with a defender closing in on him 4)he opened up again and was in a good position for the move began by Iwobi's counter with the final pass from Victor Moses, 5)he had good movement taking on three defenders in the box for a good pass to Simon Moses and he was involved in the flurry of passes that got us the goal(BascoVanVeli even said he blocked Mwene's vision.(so much for lack of movement and mobility) and he contributed in defending. Yet for all this he missed his chances. And so the consensus here(and I wholeheartedly agree) is that his game was average. If Iheanacho had the kind of game Ighalo had for Zambia you'd come here exaggerating waxing an Oliver de Coque song for him.

Now you saying repeatedly that Ighalo had a poor game. I have said it before: you condemn totally and exalt totally. Makes for no balance in your views.

Mickael2:



a 4-2-3-1 means a double pivot, not a double DMF. Just like you see Chelsea playing a 3-4-3 with Cesc and Kante, they are not two DMFs. Better example.....in the world cup when Germany used to play a 4-2-3-1 with Khedira as one of the DMF, ofcourse he was never a DMF rather a CMF, just because it is called a dual-pivot system does not mean there are two DMFs, Onazi was playing as the CMF before he got subbed.



I am not making assumptions mind you, Agu came in and went straight to the CMF role meaning that was where the coach told him to go to except you mean that Agu did not know what the coach asked him to do? Agu is known to everybody and his dog as a DMF but the coach subbed him in as the CMF does that not mean the coach thought he could play the CMF role? How is that my own assumption? And about the Mikel issue, I said I wouldn't be suprised, I never said it is the fact.



Finally how Iwobi is a tactical switch to you sure beats me. Ok after Iwobi came on, did our play change from the regular 'get the ball to the wings' strategy? You make a tactical sub when you want to switch plans to a Plan B, after Iwobi came on we were still using that plan A, just that Iwobi was there and not Moses Simon

forgiveness:


Why do you like giving false information to buttress your point?

Ajagun has played 4 times in the AMF position and he scored 2 times already. He has also played in RM and DMF positions.

In short, he has scored 3 goals with an assist in 5 matches in the AMF position. How is that not impressed?

Can you please list those options you suppose are ahead of him, and let me see?

jihday:
huh, Afcon qualifier don turn testing ground, it's like you want us to make it a hat trick of Afcon absence

tbaba1234:


Have you watched Ajagun this season? Not online posts, actually watched.

You got your data from transfermarket but left out the fact that they stated that he played from the right four times.

In the games, he scored, he also played from the wings. This is from actually seeing the game not online reports.

He has a total of ZERO assists.

In the games, that i have seen, Ajagun did not look like an AM, he played from the wings.