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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:50pm On Oct 12, 2017 |
Joebie: source https://www.soccerpilot.com/tactic/articles/introduction-to-the-4-2-3-1-formation-soccer.html It's actually superfluous, but we will go into it anyway. Our "sixes" need to possess a high degree of footballing intelligence and the ability to "read" a game. But all players need that nowadays, don't they? The "double six" is often interpreted in the following way as part of this system of play: one of the "sixes" is more offensively oriented, is often unmarked in the midfield and thus can be passed to, additionally takes care of the playmaking and secures the rear space behind number 10 if his team is in possession of the ball. The second "six" is mostly responsible for defensive tasks. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:52pm On Oct 12, 2017 |
I have never here tagged Iheanacho poor. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:54pm On Oct 12, 2017 |
Joebie: What are you writing there? Is there anybody here who doubts Victor Moses quality? The point is simple. Very simple. He pointed Iheanacho as the key to our win and the dominating display of Victor Moses. Definitely Victor Moses best game in this series. Victor Moses will not find that kind of room if not Iheanacho's threat and movement that kept the defenders confused and off position. This is also simple to understand. It does not undermine Victor Moses quality. So saying Ighalo performed better after such poor display is the height of oversight and shading a player. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:55pm On Oct 12, 2017 |
Joebie: Ha. Ighalo was poor against Zambia. Saying Ighalo performed better in that game than Nacho against Algeria is saying Iheanacho was poor. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:57pm On Oct 12, 2017 |
By the way, during the game, I hinted to some people in the bar that I believe it was Mikel Obi that told Mikel Agu to keep it simple and stick to his defensive midfield position. Although Rohr also highlighted that Mikel Agu is learning the role. Agu played the DMF role while Ndidi played more of a central role. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:04am On Oct 13, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: I thought I was alone. The coach subbed in a player as the CMF and suddenly he is now playing the DMF role, obviously it wasn't the coach that passed across that instruction. Like I said during the game and I am saying today again, I would not be suprised if it was Mikel that told him to go to the DMF role 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:05am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Let me take you on with your own source. @ first bolded, does not necessarily refer to positional play generally but assigned role, instruction given, and ability, as it continues "when in possession". More players generally often advance when in possession. @ second bolded, also is more like saying defensive minded. But the general shape of the sixes are double DMFs. Players drift according to what's happening during the match. But even if I agree with you that Rohr asked (I would expect not Mikel hmmm) Agu to do more of the defensive duties and for Ndidi to be offensive minded, that's not a tactical change. That's a forced change. Ndidi just swapped roles with injured Onazi. And Agu took his place. Still buttresses my point. Modified your link is broken Mickael2: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Sir I asked you to youtube it.. watch the build ups. I've never said Iheanacho does not create assists. I've always said both players have their strengths.. Granted Iheanacho has something lacking in Ighalo's game, and vice versa. That has always been my stance. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06am On Oct 13, 2017 |
hahaha.. ![]() Mickael2: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:09am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie: My stance is simple to understand. Even after Iheanacho played well against Algeria, people came for his neck. Many asked for him dropped. Even after the Algerian coached highlighted they lost because of Iheanacho, the wolves were still out for him. Ighalo comes in and has a poor game and the wolves can not even mew. I find it disturbing. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:10am On Oct 13, 2017 |
That's how you interpret that. Iheanacho did not give -- versus Algeria -- what Ighalo gave against Zambia in Uyo. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 12:10am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie:Why won't he cut in with the Super Eagles? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:10am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Haha.. I didn't criticize Iheanacho. And Ighalo performed well. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:11am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie: What about what Ighalo did not give? Like not being able to press, not fast enough to spaces or poor in taking his chances. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:11am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Nothing spectacular in his stats. I've been monitoring him. He could prove me wrong though. terzurum5: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:12am On Oct 13, 2017 |
hahaha.. go back and read my full time analysis. I don't like arguing in circles. I believe we've had this before TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:12am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie: Ighalo did not. If Iheanacho performed that way, the wolves would criticise it as poor performance. Why is it good for Ighalo but terrible for Nacho? Bias. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:16am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Sir.. i'm sorry I don't think you can read a game.. iheanacho was never the main reason why we beat Algeria. modified VicMo's best game in my opinion was versus Cameroon in Uyo TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:19am On Oct 13, 2017 |
why do u like repeating yourself? I'm already tired. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:19am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie: me I don't know what you are arguing again. Ok Agu was the more defensive minded pivot(they are called pivots not DMFs) and Ndidi is the more offensive/central pivot am I missing something? My point has been clear, subbing in Agu was a poor sub, like for like it was bad because Agu came in for a CMF and he(agu)is not a CMF in any way and we suffered for a few mins because of that. Tactically it was also a bad sub because you removed a workhorse and you introduced a slow player and somehow instructed the slow player to take up the position that requires a lot more running about |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:24am On Oct 13, 2017 |
What are pivots? Read my comments again then you will get it clearly. Mickael2: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:29am On Oct 13, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Ighalo did not lack movement and mobility in that game. He lacked precision. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:29am On Oct 13, 2017 |
komekn: I know. I just wanted to squeeze him into the team. ![]() Of course, Ajagun is on the up. I don't know about Fred but I will go for Josh Onomah though Ajagun is more experienced than Onomah. Of course, Joel Obi is left side player I rate him highly than Josh Onomah currently. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:33am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Thank you.. it's like some people did not watch the match.. probably following commentaries ![]() Mujtahida: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:45am On Oct 13, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:You exaggerate Iheanacho too much. In this campaign, his best was against Zambia in Ndola- he had a very good game. Now as I have come to see it: this is where the problem of why it seems Iheanacho gets the most flak here stems from: you exaggerate too much on him and when others try to straighten out the facts it would now seem like they are putting the young man down. Nobody said Ighalo was superb. He worked hard, got into goal scoring positions at least four times- 1)he mistimed his run for the Moses cross and missed the chance by whiskers 2)he was already in position for the poor cross from Onazi, 3)he opened up for the Victor Moses pass that he shot over the bar with a defender closing in on him 4)he opened up again and was in a good position for the move began by Iwobi's counter with the final pass from Victor Moses, 5)he had good movement taking on three defenders in the box for a good pass to Simon Moses and he was involved in the flurry of passes that got us the goal(BascoVanVeli even said he blocked Mwene's vision.(so much for lack of movement and mobility) and he contributed in defending. Yet for all this he missed his chances. And so the consensus here(and I wholeheartedly agree) is that his game was average. If Iheanacho had the kind of game Ighalo had for Zambia you'd come here exaggerating waxing an Oliver de Coque song for him. Now you saying repeatedly that Ighalo had a poor game. I have said it before: you condemn totally and exalt totally. Makes for no balance in your views. 6 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:54am On Oct 13, 2017 |
tbaba1234: Why do you like giving false information to buttress your point? Ajagun has played 4 times in the AMF position and he scored 2 times already. He has also played in RM and DMF positions. In short, he has scored 3 goals with an assist in 5 matches in the AMF position. How is that not impressed? Can you please list those options you suppose are ahead of him, and let me see? ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:56am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie:He doesn't want to see that because to see it would destroy his romantic vision. If Iheanacho had movement and mobility against Algeria like the way Ighalo did against Zambia, trust me I'd say so. Yet I'm not saying Ighalo had a blast of a game against Zambia. But he wasn't poor. For eg against Algeria, Iwobi wasn't fantastic(he had a fair game) , against SA, he was outrightly poor but against Zambia he was superb in bringing verve, pump and urgency to our attack. Nobody exaggerates on him and that's why he gets his due here. And so it is in football. Not everyday is your day and that's why it's a team sports. On a given day when one player is off, another might be on. On another day, the whole team might be on and on another day all of them go off. These things happen. But when a player plays poorly and you say he was the reason his other team mate shone, that's problematic. Just say he had a poor game. If you are crawling and I am running it doesn't mean your crawling helped my running. It's like saying it is the poverty of the poor that made the rich, rich. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Xzbit91: 3:12am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Your analysis is spot on. Ighalo did everything right bar scoring a goal. That in my opinion is not poor as thegoodjoe will have us believe. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 3:14am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Mickael2:Could it be that Rohr put on Agu to win the ball high up the pitch and let Ndidi who is slightly the better passer play deep and then decided to switch things up as Agu was clearly nervous?? No way Rohr who watches these guys train wouldn't know what they are capable of 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 3:27am On Oct 13, 2017 |
forgiveness: Have you watched Ajagun this season? Not online posts, actually watched. You got your data from transfermarket but left out the fact that they stated that he played from the right four times. In the games, he scored, he also played from the wings. This is from actually seeing the game not online reports. He has a total of ZERO assists. In the games, that i have seen, Ajagun did not look like an AM, he played from the wings. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:08am On Oct 13, 2017 |
jihday: Thank you my brother. That Seychelles game is a must win. And we have to win with plenty of goals so as to boost our goals difference. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:10am On Oct 13, 2017 |
tbaba1234: We have so many AM options in the squad that are ahead of Ajagun naa. |
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