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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:15am On Oct 13, 2017
Icon4s:


We have so many AM options in the squad that are ahead of Ajagun naa.

I wonder if he is Ajagun's brother or Agent. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:24am On Oct 13, 2017
For those calling for Mikel to be moved to the DM or CM position, Mikel is our biggest asset in that midfield and we need to use him optimally.

Mikel keeps the AM role for me and let Ndidi and Onazi continue doing it in the midfield. Onazi is a work horse in that midfield and thank God the technical crew recognize that.

Iwobi can play from the winds and should occasionally drift to central positions swapping with Mikel (just like against Zambia in Uyo).

Some have again called for us to play Victor Moses as a wing back. *In Chief Zebrudaya's voice* Fa-fa-faa foul!
He maintains his wing forward position.

We need to maximize our potentials in the best positions.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:26am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:

I wonder if he is Ajagun's brother or Agent. grin
I say the thing no tire me. I dey lie. Same thing all these years.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 5:26am On Oct 13, 2017
I dont knw y ppu just come up with unnecessary names,Ajagun Ko,Apeja ni


Where d guy dey since U-20 days under john obuh,he was never invited by siasia,late keshi,oliseh and u guys want him to gate crash d world cup list

I dont knw what dt Ajagun guy would extraordinarily dt dis present crop of players won't offer

Am beginning to sense dt some peeps here re eida related to d players directly or indirectly
List of players DT won't smell eagles camp let alone of gate crashing
(1)Abdul jeleel ajagun
(2) aiyenugba
(3)peter olayinka
(4) josh onomah
(5) ademola lookman
(6). Paul onauchi
And co grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:27am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


I wonder if he is Ajagun's brother or Agent. grin

If I say the thing no tire me I dey lie.
Same thing all these years.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:28am On Oct 13, 2017
elyte89:
I dont knw y ppu just come up with unnecessary names,Ajagun Ko,Apeja ni


Where d guy dey since U-20 days under john obuh,he was never invited by siasia,late keshi,oliseh and u guys want him to gate crash d world cup list

I dont knw what dt Ajagun guy would extraordinarily dt dis present crop of players won't offer

Am beginning to sense dt some peeps here re eida related to d players directly or indirectly
List of players DT won't smell eagles camp let alone of gate crashing
(1)Abdul jeleel ajagun
(2) aiyenugba
(3)peter olayinka
(4) josh onomah
(5) ademola lookman
(6). Paul onauchi
And co grin

Peter Olayinka. Why do you think he cannot be invited?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:44am On Oct 13, 2017
Players Guaranteed a place if fit

1. Ezenwa
2. Iwobi
3. Mikel
4. V. Moses
5. Onazi
6. Balogun
7. Ekong
8. Shehu
9. Ighalo
10. Simon Moses
11. Elderson (perhaps not as a starter)
12. Ola Aina
13. Ndidi
14. Enyeama (if he gets himself fit and ready)
15. Iheanacho

Shaky places

Musa: needs a club ASAP!! With Sarenren Bazee returning to full fitness, the coach will be forced to reconsider Musa's role. Onyekuru continues to score too. He would still be valuable if he can get himself fit and playing.

Agu: The coach has given him a lot of chances to impress, so far he has not been great.. Needs to start showing something.

Every other person can lose their place in the team between now and the world cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 5:53am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:
Players Guaranteed a place if fit

1. Ezenwa
2. Iwobi
3. Mikel
4. V. Moses
5. Onazi
6. Balogun
7. Ekong
8. Shehu
9. Ighalo
10. Simon Moses
11. Elderson (perhaps not as a starter)
12. Ola Aina
13. Ndidi
14. Enyeama (if he gets himself fit and ready)
15. Iheanacho

Shaky places

Musa: needs a club ASAP!! With Sarenren Bazee returning to full fitness, the coach will be forced to reconsider Musa's role. Onyekuru continues to score too. He would still be valuable if he can get himself fit and playing.

Agu: The coach has given him a lot of chances to impress, so far he has not been great.. Needs to start showing something.

Every other person can lose their place in the team between now and the world cup.

U sabi d game and God bless u,this was my list hope u did not copy and paste my 14 man list or else i sue u in football court!joking ni o.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:57am On Oct 13, 2017
Kog45:
U sabi d game and God bless u,this was my list hope u did not copy and paste my 14 man list or else i sue u in football court!joking ni o.

Lol... grin grin Great minds think alike.

I largely agree with your view..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:03am On Oct 13, 2017
Icon4s:


We have so many AM options in the squad that are ahead of Ajagun naa.
Please I'd love if you can watch clips of Dessers and Sareren Bazee and give us the benefit of your views. No doubt relying on clips to estimate a player has limitations but a seasoned eye like yours can see if these two guys have it or not.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:07am On Oct 13, 2017
Icon4s:

We have so many AM options in the squad that are ahead of Ajagun naa.
Like who and who Sir?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:07am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

You exaggerate Iheanacho too much. In this campaign, his best was against Zambia in Ndola- he had a very good game.
Now as I have come to see it: this is where the problem of why it seems Iheanacho gets the most flak here stems from: you exaggerate too much on him and when others try to straighten out the facts it would now seem like they are putting the young man down. Nobody said Ighalo was superb. He worked hard, got into goal scoring positions at least four times- 1)he mistimed his run for the Moses cross and missed the chance by whiskers 2)he was already in position for the poor cross from Onazi, 3)he opened up for the Victor Moses pass that he shot over the bar with a defender closing in on him 4)he opened up again and was in a good position for the move began by Iwobi's counter with the final pass from Victor Moses, 5)he had good movement taking on three defenders in the box for a good pass to Simon Moses and he was involved in the flurry of passes that got us the goal(BascoVanVeli even said he blocked Mwene's vision.(so much for lack of movement and mobility) and he contributed in defending. Yet for all this he missed his chances. And so the consensus here(and I wholeheartedly agree) is that his game was average. If Iheanacho had the kind of game Ighalo had for Zambia you'd come here exaggerating waxing an Oliver de Coque song for him.

Now you saying repeatedly that Ighalo had a poor game. I have said it before: you condemn totally and exalt totally. Makes for no balance in your views.


After the long campaign, it still comes down to the same simple fact. If Iheanacho had this exact game, for what ever excuse you want, lots of you will criticise Iheanacho for being poor and kept mute for Ighalo. Bias. Simple.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:10am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

Please I'd love if you can watch clips of Dessers and Sareren Bazee and give us the benefit of your views. No doubt relying on clips to estimate a player has limitations but a seasoned eye like yours can see if these two guys have it or not.

I have watched a few full matches of Bazee, these are my thoughts

Biggest strength is his speed.. He is very fast and has good delivery from crosses.

Weakness, loses the ball more often than i'd like.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:11am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

Like who and who Sir?

Joel Obi and Aluko for starters..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:11am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

You exaggerate Iheanacho too much. In this campaign, his best was against Zambia in Ndola- he had a very good game.
Now as I have come to see it: this is where the problem of why it seems Iheanacho gets the most flak here stems from: you exaggerate too much on him and when others try to straighten out the facts it would now seem like they are putting the young man down. Nobody said Ighalo was superb. He worked hard, got into goal scoring positions at least four times- 1)he mistimed his run for the Moses cross and missed the chance by whiskers 2)he was already in position for the poor cross from Onazi, 3)he opened up for the Victor Moses pass that he shot over the bar with a defender closing in on him 4)he opened up again and was in a good position for the move began by Iwobi's counter with the final pass from Victor Moses, 5)he had good movement taking on three defenders in the box for a good pass to Simon Moses and he was involved in the flurry of passes that got us the goal(BascoVanVeli even said he blocked Mwene's vision.(so much for lack of movement and mobility) and he contributed in defending. Yet for all this he missed his chances. And so the consensus here(and I wholeheartedly agree) is that his game was average. If Iheanacho had the kind of game Ighalo had for Zambia you'd come here exaggerating waxing an Oliver de Coque song for him.

Now you saying repeatedly that Ighalo had a poor game. I have said it before: you condemn totally and exalt totally. Makes for no balance in your views.

Maybe the bias is because some of you feel me explaining Iheanacho doing well like the Algeria case means me exaggerating Iheanacho's performance (thank God the Algerian coach pointed it out because most would accuse me of exaggeration), some of you have clearly chosen to take a bias stance against the Young man.

It is unfair. You are free not to like my stance or perspective. However, be fair and logical. Not bias.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:12am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:



After the long campaign, it still comes down to the same simple fact. If Iheanacho had this exact game, for what ever excuse you want, lots of you will criticise Iheanacho for being poor and kept mute for Ighalo. Bias. Simple.
I have never criticised Iheanacho. But I know the strength and weakness of his game and I'm in the camp of those who see him more as a SS rather than the main point man. Try and tone down on him here with more realistic and factual analysis and you'd save his skin here cos as I see it those who exaggerated on him are responsible for the jabs he gets here.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 6:17am On Oct 13, 2017
safarigirl:
which present form?

You are just listing club achievements, who that one help? He was given a chance in the national team and he flopped, na the koko be that, if he likes, he fit win Club World Cup join, e no mean anything.

Like previously stated, a player could be doing big things for his club, but that may not translate to the national team for various reasons.

Aiyenugba is not needed for our national team, not today and unless Ezenwa, Alampasu, Enyeama, Ajiboye, Ejide, E. Daniel and Akpeyi all decide to fall ill or get injured, certainly not in the near future.

So, please, can we go back to drafting a REALISTIC list rather than Fantasy football teams?


grin

Aunty..... this ain't a do or die Discourse. Lol! I've actually moved on from the Convo, but still appreciate your Input on the subject matter.

Like every Super Eagles Fan, I hope for a best List from Rohr.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 6:18am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


Then we have to find another solution. Let all the other keepers compete.

All is well!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:19am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

I have never criticised Iheanacho. But I know the strength and weakness of his game and I'm in the camp of those who see him as a SS rather than the point man. Try and tone down on him here with more realistic and factual analysis and you'd save his skin here cos as I see it those who exaggerated on him are responsible for the jabs he gets here.

People here should tone down on their bias stance. Worst part when it becomes having a bias stance because of someone's stance on a forum. Finito.

Which one is exaggeration. I prefer someone pointing out that I exaggerated something than saying my stance is exaggerated. It is not even about my comment but having a bias stance about a player.

All this SS/CF stance should even stop. He is a forward and can play multiple roles. That is the demand of the modern forward game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:20am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


Joel Obi and Aluko for starters..
Truly Obi is good but I find it hard seeing him in the frame of things cos of his frequent injuries. As for Aluko he seems not to have good luck. I am sure Rohr is aware of the collapse that the team suffers whenever Mikel is subbed. But I'd want to ask:would it be a bad idea if Mikel plays from deep (CM/DM) and a sound AM be found for the team?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:20am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

Ighalo did not lack movement and mobility in that game. He lacked precision.

When Mikel Obi has to do the pressing, you have a problem.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 6:23am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


I wonder if he is Ajagun's brother or Agent. grin

undecided

So someone can't peacefully make a contribution on this Forum except you are ready to tag along?!

You should have said Kayode, Dele Aiyenugba are also my Brothers too!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:25am On Oct 13, 2017
Joebie:
Sir.. i'm sorry I don't think you can read a game.. iheanacho was never the main reason why we beat Algeria.

modified
VicMo's best game in my opinion was versus Cameroon in Uyo


At least, you can say I can not read a game. However, I made the same precise opinion of the Algerian coach. Keep in mind when people criticised Mikel Agu in that first half, I highlighted what he should do and he did it precisely. Having an improved performance.

Keep that in mind before writing I can not read a game. Clap for yourself self.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:26am On Oct 13, 2017
Oasis007:


undecided

So someone can't peacefully make a contribution on this Forum except you are ready to tag along?!

You should have said Kayode, Dele Aiyenugba are also my Brothers too!

calm down, I am not talking about you... I am talking about forgiveness relentless defence of Ajagun that has lasted for years and it was a tongue in cheek comment.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:27am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


People here should tone down on their bias stance. Worst part when it becomes having a bias stance because of someone's stance on a forum. Finito.

Which one is exaggeration. I prefer someone pointing out that I exaggerated something than saying my stance is exaggerated. It is not even about my comment but having a bias stance about a player.

All this SS/CF stance should even stop. He is a forward and can play multiple roles. That is the demand of the modern forward game.
On various occasions you have exaggerated on him. I can't go digging now but as a present example you are exaggerating on his significance and effect in the Algerian game.

I didn't say he cannot play as the main point man in the forward line. Granted that the modern game requires versatility yet you cannot take away the fact that players have positions that they thrive in more than others.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:30am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


When Mikel Obi has to do the pressing, you have a problem.
Yeah, that was a shortcoming in his game plus the imprecision in front of goal but he had quality movement and mobility when we had the ball as I have already pointed out.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:32am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:
Like who and who Sir?
AM options: Mikel, Iwobi, Etebo, Iheanacho.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:33am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

He doesn't want to see that because to see it would destroy his romantic vision. If Iheanacho had movement and mobility against Algeria like the way Ighalo did against Zambia, trust me I'd say so. Yet I'm not saying Ighalo had a blast of a game against Zambia. But he wasn't poor.

For eg against Algeria, Iwobi wasn't fantastic(he had a fair game) , against SA, he was outrightly poor but against Zambia he was superb in bringing verve, pump and urgency to our attack. Nobody exaggerates on him and that's why he gets his due here. And so it is in football. Not everyday is your day and that's why it's a team sports. On a given day when one player is off, another might be on. On another day, the whole team might be on and on another day all of them go off. These things happen.

But when a player plays poorly and you say he was the reason his other team mate shone, that's problematic. Just say he had a poor game. If you are crawling and I am running it doesn't mean your crawling helped my running. It's like saying it is the poverty of the poor that made the rich, rich.
Oh Iheanacho and thegoodjoe is like Ndidi and Michael2, Akpeyi,Mikel and icon4s, Komne and Nigeria born English player, Ajagun and forgiveness,Awaziem and Safarigirl,Mikel and Kog45 just to mention a few.

I believe when it reach a certain stage in d course of our discussion or arguments we should put aside our love or hate for a player and let football reason take over.

This is d only way we can have good and constructive analysis.In one of my comment yesterday i said Awoniyi was like a son to me but did u ever see me mentioning his name has a potential player to be in d WC team,not yet for him but if he make it fine.

Dele Aiyenugba very closed guy to me,am one of d people that make sure he signed his first professional contract as a footballer but I read all d heated arguments about him yesterday and my comment on him was on football reason,i did not allowed my judgment to be based on personal relationship.

Good to love a player but when it comes to reality we should face it and talk football without sentiments.

I can mention some monikers(icon4s, safarigirl,Bascon velli,tbaba1234,Humility, enomakos,Joseph1013) despite their likeness for a player when it reach certain point they come out and say d truth,this is more reason i hold Jobie and mujtahida in high esteem when it comes to unbiased football analysis.

For instance,i remember safarigirl was one of d championing of Tammy Abraham but now one of d strongest antagonist coz she believe he insulted Nigeria.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 6:37am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


calm down, I am not talking about you... I am talking about forgiveness relentless defence of Ajagun that has lasted for years and it was a tongue in cheek comment.

Am beginning to sense dt some peeps here re eida related to d players directly or indirectly
List of players DT won't smell eagles camp let alone of gate crashing
(1)Abdul jeleel ajagun
(2) aiyenugba
(3)peter olayinka
(4) josh onomah
(5) ademola lookman
(6). Paul onauchi

- elyte89

I'm ain't angry at you Bro, coz I know the matured Minds on the Thread. But it won't be a bad Idea if Member like the Poster above is cautioned from senselessly condemning Players suggested by another Person(s).

This is a Forum for the Eagles Fans, Nigerians precisely, hence it's an open Forum for all Nigerians to make Inputs. There is no crime to argue on a particular subject matter, but present facts and Stats to back up your Points instead of personal views.

The emboldened ain't Joke from him, and it kinda lame thinking those that suggested the Names are doing it for a Purpose rather than for the sake of the Eagles.

This Template ain't NFF Board Meeting, also it ain't a Yardstick for Rohr to pick his Players for the World Cup. We are simply here to discuss the Team, our chances, likely Players, and catch fun not to resulting in Child-plays.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 6:45am On Oct 13, 2017
Oasis007:

This Template ain't NFF Board Meeting, also it ain't a Yardstick for Rohr to pick his Players for the World Cup. We are simply here to discuss the Team, our chances, likely Players, and catch fun not to resulting in Child-plays.

Your contributions are always valuable. Sometimes, we should ignore comments that rub off the wrong way.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:46am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


I have watched a few full matches of Bazee, these are my thoughts

Biggest strength is his speed.. He is very fast and has good delivery from crosses.

Weakness, loses the ball more often than i'd like.
Thanks. He also seem to have close control of the ball and has the ability to get through tight situations(which perhaps accounts for his losing the ball as you have pointed out) and like Iwobi he knows how to create space for himself. These are my views on him. I've not seen a full match of his to know his weaknesses so I'd take your word for it.

We really need a wing forward who can cross the ball cos for me it saves lots of energy and can cause problems to the opponents defence.
If he returns to full fitness I see him breaking in than even Onyekuru. Musa should bring back his mojo else he'd be a goner.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 6:47am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


Your contributions are always valuable. Sometimes, we should ignore comments that rub off the wrong way.

Noted and appreciate!

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