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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:57am On Oct 13, 2017
Kog45:
Oh Iheanacho and thegoodjoe is like Ndidi and Michael2, Akpeyi,Mikel and icon4s, Komne and Nigeria born English player, Ajagun and forgiveness,Awaziem and Safarigirl,Mikel and Kog45 just to mention a few.

I believe when it reach a certain stage in d course of our discussion or arguments we should put aside our love or hate for a player and let football reason take over.

This is d only way we can have good and constructive analysis.In one of my comment yesterday i said Awoniyi was like a son to me but did u ever see me mentioning his name has a potential player to be in d WC team,not yet for him but if he make it fine.

Dele Aiyenugba very closed guy to me,am one of d people that make sure he signed his first professional contract as a footballer but I read all d heated arguments about him yesterday and my comment on him was on football reason,i did not allowed my judgment to be based on personal relationship.

Good to love a player but when it comes to reality we should face it and talk football without sentiments.

I can mention some monikers(icon4s, safarigirl,Bascon velli,tbaba1234,Humility, enomakos,Joseph1013) despite their likeness for a player when it reach certain point they come out and say d truth,this is more reason i hold Jobie and mujtahida in high esteem when it comes to unbiased football analysis.

For instance,i remember safarigirl was one of d championing of Tammy Abraham but now one of d strongest antagonist coz she believe he insulted Nigeria.


Please. The same Mujtahida who just highlighted jabs on Iheanacho because of in his words, my exaggeration. Let us face facts. Not because of someone's admiration of a player (mine is always based on football reasons) people should make bias analysis.

That is my simple point. Comprede?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:57am On Oct 13, 2017
Kog45:
Oh Iheanacho and thegoodjoe is like Ndidi and Michael2, Akpeyi,Mikel and icon4s, Komne and Nigeria born English player, Ajagun and forgiveness,Awaziem and Safarigirl,Mikel and Kog45 just to mention a few.

I believe when it reach a certain stage in d course of our discussion or arguments we should put aside our love or hate for a player and let football reason take over.

This is d only way we can have good and constructive analysis.In one of my comment yesterday i said Awoniyi was like a son to me but did u ever see me mentioning his name has a potential player to be in d WC team,not yet for him but if he make it fine.

Dele Aiyenugba very closed guy to me,am one of d people that make sure he signed his first professional contract as a footballer but I read all d heated arguments about him yesterday and my comment on him was on football reason,i did not allowed my judgment to be based on personal relationship.

Good to love a player but when it comes to reality we should face it and talk football without sentiments.

I can mention some monikers(icon4s, safarigirl,Bascon velli,tbaba1234,Humility, enomakos,Joseph1013) despite their likeness for a player when it reach certain point they come out and say d truth,this is more reason i hold Jobie and mujtahida in high esteem when it comes to unbiased football analysis.

For instance,i remember safarigirl was one of d championing of Tammy Abraham but now one of d strongest antagonist coz she believe he insulted Nigeria.

Yeah one has to have the ability to re-assess one's opinions and re - examine one's conclusions. You remember how we came down hard on Balogun after the Zambian game but after rewatching the match I had to change my assessment and I urged you to review the match again. Balance - though difficult in a passionate sport like football - is what we should aim for.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:02am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

Yeah, that was a shortcoming in his game plus the imprecision in front of goal but he had quality movement and mobility when we had the ball as I have already pointed out.

Ighalo worked hard, made good movements in some cases. That does not mean we should tag his movement in the game mobile. He was behind pace some times and caused us scoring chances.

Not taking away his devotion and brilliance. I am just asking for using the same bar to judge players. If Iheanacho was poor getting into position, poor in converting chances, if I explained quality movement during build-up, I will be accused of exaggeration.

I am asking for more balanced opinion. Do not attack a player based on a dislike of a moniker's comment.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:08am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Please. The same Mujtahida who just highlighted jabs on Iheanacho because of in his words, my exaggeration. Let us face facts. Not because of someone's admiration of a player (mine is always based on football reasons) people should make bias analysis.

That is my simple point. Comprede?
Hahahaha hahahaha goodjoe. I have never criticised Iheanacho and I am only telling you to tone down on your exaggerations. The fact you are accusing me of jabbing Iheanacho while trying to straighten you out is the reason why I oppose your exaggerations cos in calling you out one stands the danger of being seen as being unduly critical of a player. You pointed out that Ighalo didn't press and I agreed with you. That's no jab from you on Ighalo. That is being factual. More of it on all the players is what you should do.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:21am On Oct 13, 2017
Mujtahida:

Hahahaha hahahaha goodjoe. I have never criticised Iheanacho and I am only telling you to tone down on your exaggerations. The fact you are accusing me of jabbing Iheanacho while trying to straighten you out is the reason why I oppose your exaggerations cos in calling you out one stands the danger of being seen as being unduly critical of a player. You pointed out that Ighalo didn't press and I agreed with you. That's no jab from you on Ighalo. That is being factual. More of it on all the players is what you should do.


You keep saying exaggeration and pointed out the Algerian game as an example. That is a fact. Not exaggeration. I can bet most of the exaggeration you are saying is me clearly on footballing terms explaining negative views of Iheanacho during games. That is not exaggeration.

I have no problem with people not liking my views. I have a different perspective from lots of people. Just as I was one of the few repping Mikel Obi during the SlObi era.

That does not call for bias views. Finito. Have a nice day.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:27am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:



You keep saying exaggeration and pointed out the Algerian game as an example. That is a fact. Not exaggeration. I can bet most of the exaggeration you are saying is me clearly on footballing terms explaining negative views of Iheanacho during games. That is not exaggeration.

I have no problem with people not liking my views. I have a different perspective from lots of people. Just as I was one of the few repping Mikel Obi during the SlObi era.

That does not call for bias views. Finito. Have a nice day.
Salud. You too bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:27am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Please. The same Mujtahida who just highlighted jabs on Iheanacho because of in his words, my exaggeration. Let us face facts. Not because of someone's admiration of a player (mine is always based on football reasons) people should make bias analysis.

That is my simple point. Comprede?
OK sir.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:29am On Oct 13, 2017
Dele Aiyenugba highlights for last season. As expected, many penalty saves. grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWxYJYuTJo

Aiyenugba can be called up but he will have a battle on his hands.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:30am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


Have you watched Ajagun this season? Not online posts, actually watched.

You got your data from transfermarket but left out the fact that they stated that he played from the right four times.

In the games, he scored, he also played from the wings. This is from actually seeing the game not online reports.

He has a total of ZERO assists.

In the games, that i have seen, Ajagun did not look like an AM, he played from the wings.


Stop shifting goal posts. grin

Did you watch all the 10 games he played this season?

From zero goals to zero assist. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

The fact remains he scored 2 goals when he played in the AM 4 times. Meaning your claim that he didn't play from the middle is null and void. Period. EOD


Whether, he played 4 times as a RM(take note right midfield) and ones as a DMF are inconsequential. The fact remains that he played as the central maestro has been established. EOD next please. grin

Why did you hide the fact he played as the AM 4 times? grin


Please, answer my other questions and this. Thanks
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:30am On Oct 13, 2017
edi287:

Could it be that Rohr put on Agu to win the ball high up the pitch and let Ndidi who is slightly the better passer play deep and then decided to switch things up as Agu was clearly nervous?? No way Rohr who watches these guys train wouldn't know what they are capable of


Agu's deficiencies were not because he was nervous, naturally he is just like busquets, play Busquets higher up the pitch to win the balls and you will see that that isn't what he is made for. Agu playing higher up the pitch exposed him to the part of the game that was fast paced and that was why he was fouling everybody left, right and center. Agu's passing isn't poor, I can argue that it is almost on par with that of Ndidi, but Agu's ball winning skills higher up the pitch is nowhere close to Ndidi's but somehow the coach subbed in Agu to play a position meant perfectly for Ndidi while Ndidi was in a position meant specifically for Agu

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:32am On Oct 13, 2017
forgiveness:



Stop shifting goal posts. grin

Did you watch all the 10 games he played this season?

From zero goals to zero assist. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

The fact remains he scored 2 goals when he played in the AM 4 times. Meaning your claim that he didn't play from the middle is null and void. Period. EOD


Whether, he played 4 times as a RM(take note right midfield) and once are inconsequential. The fact he played as the central maestro has been established. EOD next please. grin

Why did you hide the fact he played as the AM 4 times? grin


Please, answer my other questions and this. Thanks

I watched the games that he scored and he played from the wings.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:34am On Oct 13, 2017
forgiveness:



Stop shifting goal posts. grin

Did you watch all the 10 games he played this season?

From zero goals to zero assist. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

The fact remains he scored 2 goals when he played in the AM 4 times. Meaning your claim that he didn't play from the middle is null and void. Period. EOD


Whether, he played 4 times as a RM(take note right midfield) and once are inconsequential. The fact he played as the central maestro has been established. EOD next please. grin

Why did you hide the fact he played as the AM 4 times? grin


Please, answer my other questions and this. Thanks
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As always, you argue like you are so sure then at the end of the day it turns out that you only check these things on transfermarket.

I remember watching one of his games this season, he scored a goal in that match I can't remember the name of the opponent. He played the first five minutes as the AMF or maybe he was just in the middle to help stabilise the team, then for the next 85minutes he played out wide, when I say out wide I mean out wide, not even close to a right-sided pseudo AMF but here you are arguing what you don't know

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:36am On Oct 13, 2017
Icon4s:
For those calling for Mikel to be moved to the DM or CM position, Mikel is our biggest asset in that midfield and we need to use him optimally.

Mikel keeps the AM role for me and let Ndidi and Onazi continue doing it in the midfield. Onazi is a work horse in that midfield and thank God the technical crew recognize that.

Iwobi can play from the winds and should occasionally drift to central positions swapping with Mikel (just like against Zambia in Uyo).

Some have again called for us to play Victor Moses as a wing back. *In Chief Zebrudaya's voice* Fa-fa-faa foul!
He maintains his wing forward position.

We need to maximize our potentials in the best positions.
I share your view but we can still try Ndidi/Mikel combo in d middle and Iwobi as Am and Simeon retaining his position or Nacho upfront with Ighalo and Iwobi on d right side with Ndidi/Mikel doing it in d middle.

How do u see it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:36am On Oct 13, 2017
Icon4s:


We have so many AM options in the squad that are ahead of Ajagun naa.

Hahahahahah, list the many?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:37am On Oct 13, 2017
TheGoodJoe:



You keep saying exaggeration and pointed out the Algerian game as an example. That is a fact. Not exaggeration. I can bet most of the exaggeration you are saying is me clearly on footballing terms explaining negative views of Iheanacho during games. That is not exaggeration.

I have no problem with people not liking my views. I have a different perspective from lots of people. Just as I was one of the few repping Mikel Obi during the SlObi era.

That does not call for bias views. Finito. Have a nice day.


from your views I have learnt one thing today which I think I should ask you to be sure.

So if in a game CR7 is marked out of the game by one or two defenders and he has a poor game but Benzema manages to run the opposing defence ragged(despite the fact that he too had a defender on him just like CR7), then it was actually CR7 that won the game because one defender marked him out? I think this makes sense now
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:39am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


I watched the games that he scored and he played from the wings.

Hahahahahah!


Against which teams?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:41am On Oct 13, 2017
Kog45:
I share your view but we can still try Ndidi/Mikel combo in d middle and Iwobi as Am and Simeon retaining his position or Nacho upfront with Ighalo and Iwobi on d right side with Ndidi/Mikel doing it in d middle.

How do u see it.

do you expect Icon4s to change his views ever? If he was a coach he would play thesame formation and thesame team for a whole season even if he has better players on the bench. Hopefully the tactical team will understand that football is a dynamic game just like you have come to understand
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:43am On Oct 13, 2017
forgiveness:


Hahahahahah!


Against which teams?

Oostende and Andeletcht..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:48am On Oct 13, 2017
Mickael2:
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As always, you argue like you are so sure then at the end of the day it turns out that you only check these things on transfermarket.

I remember watching one of his games this season, he scored a goal in that match I can't remember the name of the opponent. He played the first five minutes as the AMF or maybe he was just in the middle to help stabilise the team, then for the next 85minutes he played out wide, when I say out wide I mean out wide, not even close to a right-sided pseudo AMF but here you are arguing what you don't know


Stop making statements devoid of concrete evidence. grin

At least, I have transfermarkt to back up my claims. What about you?

Or do you think I believe you're one angel Gabriel who no dey lie? grin

Show me prove and I shut my mouth. Period. grin

Na so you dey claim Etebor who is LW should have come in for Onazi. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

Give me the name of the opponent then I can tell what he played.

The @bolded confirmed he once played as a creative maestro. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:50am On Oct 13, 2017
tbaba1234:


Oostende and Andeletcht..


Hahahahahah! Show me evidence. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:52am On Oct 13, 2017
forgiveness:



Stop making statements devoid of concrete evidence. grin

At least, I have transfermarkt to back up my claims. What about you?

Or do you think I believe you one angel Gabriel who no dey lie? grin

Show me prove and I shut my mouth. Period. grin

Na so you dey claim Etebor who is LW should have come in for Onazi. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

Give me the name of the opponent then I can tell what he played.

The @bolded confirmed he once played as a creative maestro. grin


so Etebo played as a LW against Algeria? I never knew. That is the height of ridiculousness, me I am done with you on this topic
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 7:56am On Oct 13, 2017
forgiveness:



Stop shifting goal posts. grin

Did you watch all the 10 games he played this season?

From zero goals to zero assist. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

The fact remains he scored 2 goals when he played in the AM 4 times. Meaning your claim that he didn't play from the middle is null and void. Period. EOD


Whether, he played 4 times as a RM(take note right midfield) and ones as a DMF are inconsequential. The fact remains that he played as the central maestro has been established. EOD next please. grin

Why did you hide the fact he played as the AM 4 times? grin


Please, answer my other questions and this. Thanks
to be honest wit you...my brother.
Alhassan stands a better chance to be called into the SE as an AM...Than Ajagun...
reason because rohr already knows the first and even assessed him in training...
ajagun will have to get involved in close to 20-25 goals this season to get rohr's attention

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 8:01am On Oct 13, 2017
Mickael2:



Agu's deficiencies were not because he was nervous, naturally he is just like busquets, play Busquets higher up the pitch to win the balls and you will see that that isn't what he is made for. Agu playing higher up the pitch exposed him to the part of the game that was fast paced and that was why he was fouling everybody left, right and center. Agu's passing isn't poor, I can argue that it is almost on par with that of Ndidi, but Agu's ball winning skills higher up the pitch is nowhere close to Ndidi's but somehow the coach subbed in Agu to play a position meant perfectly for Ndidi while Ndidi was in a position meant specifically for Agu
Agu is aggressive and quite mobile. I don't think he's busquets type of slow. He was really nervous. Second half his tackling got better and he covered for our fullbacks well. This sub is no different from the Esiti sub Rohr made against Zambia in the first leg.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:04am On Oct 13, 2017
SPAIN: La Liga2 - Round 9

Gimnastic 2-2 Granada
Former Super Eagles petit forward, Ike Uche scored a brace for relegation threatened Gymnastic to send former club, Granada, home without a point. Uche scored in the 27th and 31st minute, and was subbed off in the 70th.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVSeTyseRRM

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:07am On Oct 13, 2017
Humility017:

to be honest wit you...my brother.
Alhassan stands a better chance to be called into the SE as an AM...Than Ajagun...
reason because rohr already knows the first and even assessed him in training...
ajagun will have to get involved in close to 20-25 goals this season to get rohr's attention
Even he get better chance than Nwakili,as u said he was part of d team before moving out
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 8:08am On Oct 13, 2017
....anoda section will start calling for ike uche inclusion to d team smiley
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:09am On Oct 13, 2017
edi287:

Agu is aggressive and quite mobile. I don't think he's busquets type of slow. He was really nervous. Second half his tackling got better and he covered for our fullbacks well. This sub is no different from the Esiti sub Rohr made against Zambia in the first leg.


exactly, on that in that game against Zambia we were leading and had something to protect and Esiti came in and slowed the game down. Agu may be more mobile than Busquets but he isn't anywhere close to Ndidi so why the coach decided to play Agu in a position that would maximise Ndidi's potential whilst playing Ndidi in a position that would maximise Agu's potential sure beats me.

However I don't want to dwell on this debate for long. I heard Mikel won't play the game against Algeria, I will come back to this claim after that match
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 8:10am On Oct 13, 2017
If gernert Rohr should just stumble on this thread....he go laugh tire grin grin

some People don take advantage of nairaland turn pundits overnight grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:11am On Oct 13, 2017
Mickael2:


do you expect Icon4s to change his views ever? If he was a coach he would play thesame formation and thesame team for a whole season even if he has better players on the bench. Hopefully the tactical team will understand that football is a dynamic game just like you have come to understand

This one made me laugh out loud.

Back to the basic:
1. You don't change a winning formation.
2. You don't change a winning Team.


National team football is a lot lot different from Club football. In club football because of the quality of players at your disposal, you can chose to alter formation even severally in a single game. You can chose to go to the market to buy a particular due to a new formation the club has chosen to adopt. If a formation or tacticsfails the coach has several other matches to redeem himself

This is national team football.
Caution here in very key. You don go about experimenting squads at random except for friendly matches.

The key to national team selection is to optimize your available resources especially when you are limited compared to the major oppositionsyou are to face.

If the midfield combo of Ndidi-Onazi-Mikel has been giving you the right results why change it?

O I understand the need to play Iwobi at the AM position but right now Mikel is more effective in that position so we have to move Iwobi to the wings.

What happens to Simon? Yes Iwobi has reclaimed his wings position from him. Can we recall Simon was not a starter in Rohr's earlier matches?

Now going back to the issue of consistency. We saw what happened against SA with so many changes to the starting lines up, with some of the regulars missing for various reasons known to us.

Consistency is key in team building. One or two changes may be made depending on various circumstances.
Rohr knows his team already and there is no need for wild experiments. It is important that the team maintains shape and cohesion as this would be vital as they compete at the World Cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 8:12am On Oct 13, 2017
elyte89:
....anoda section will start calling for ike uche inclusion to d team smiley


i didnt know the national team is reserved exclusively for some. David Villa was recently recalled to the Spanish national team, are they lacking potent strikers? If Ike Uche or Martins or even Osaze has what we need then we should call them back

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:12am On Oct 13, 2017
elyte89:
....anoda section will start calling for ike uche inclusion to d team smiley
Yes is a public forum so expect it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:17am On Oct 13, 2017
NPFL 2017/18 PRE-SEASON REPORT


ABIA WARRIORS CAPTURE FORMER FC IFEANYI UBAH BRAZILIAN COACH
By Abidoye Babatunde - October 12, 2017



Former FC Ifeanyi Ubah Coach, Raphael Everton, has agreed a one-year deal to lead Abia Warriors in the new Nigeria Premier League (NPFL) season, AOIFootball.com reports.

The Brazilian-born tactician will be teaming up with other technical crew members of the club to help reach its vision for the coming season which comprises getting a continental ticket or clinching the League.

It would be recalled that Coach Raphael guided the Anambra Warriors, Ifeanyi Ubah to clinch their first FA Cup trophy now known as the Aiteo Cup after defeating Nasarawa United from penalty spot kicks.

The Brazilian is already in Umuahia as at the time of filing this report.

--aoifootball

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